Fast Fashion Style Of Business?

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  1. max#2873

    max#2873 Well-Known Member

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    Does DTG behave in "fast fashion" manner? What do you think? Maybe that is the future, of all enterprises? Fast, expensive and forgotten?
     
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  2. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean "the future"? It's been that way for decades...
     
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  3. StrikeEagle78

    StrikeEagle78 Well-Known Member

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    Fast fashion meaning people who buy cheap boxes of clothes made of cheap materials. Wear them once and throw them out. Send back the things you don't like (which then get thrown out). I wouldn't call DTG releases fast fashion. The quality may be on par, but we're not getting the cheap pricing :D
     
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  4. darkwarrior#2896

    darkwarrior#2896 Well-Known Member

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    If dovetail wants to be affordable on locomotive/ routes the best pricing would be ($14.99-24.99) and suggest to take their time on future content for better product!?.
     
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  5. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Also remember that there are a lot of costs involved in game development. Licenses/legal costs, wages, business rent, fees to focus since they are the publisher now, platform specific fees and numerous other fees. Lower costs does not mean more sales. If it is too cheap, dtg get nothing and the company could be gone forever or cuts would have to be made.
     
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  6. FredElliott

    FredElliott Well-Known Member

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    I could do with a new pair of trains, cant get my current ones buttoned up around my belly anymore
     
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  7. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    Why do people think a piece of software which even at DTG worst will still give you hours of enjoyment should be at the price you'd spend on a cheap takeaway from your local Chinese?

    I'll never get my head around it if I'm honest.

    There's nothing wrong with the current pricing in my opinion IF we get the standard we all know DTG can achieve if they set their mind to it.
     
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  8. grumypop51

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    So true!!
     
  9. thomasdurnell22

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    Im sorry but if youre happy to pay £30 for these DLCs then youre not far off throwing your money down the drain. The price for a brand new triple a game is between £50-60. How can you say that one of these DLCs is comparitive to a triple a game with 10x as much content when it's more than half the price? The ratio of content to price does not add up.
     
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  10. chacal#2181

    chacal#2181 Well-Known Member

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    I al quite critical against DTG, but you can not compare an AAA game price from a big company to niche games/DLCs pricing.

    Better to compare with other smaller companys with niche games, or other simulators.
    I determine the value of a game or dlc not by price but by time i spended on it.

    The problem is, IMO, not he price but the content and content quality : short routes, bugged, thin timetables...
    Even at half the price i dont want them in this shape.
     
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  11. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    Trenton has 301 services and 5 scenarios, let's call them a conservative average of 30minutes for simplicity (I think the average service would be longer) that's 153 hours game play for £30.00

    Star Wars Jedi Survivor will take 30 hours to play through all the content, that's £60.00.

    Call Of Duty Modern Ware to complete 16 hours again £60.00

    Which triple AA title are you referring that gives you anything like 1530 hours game play?
     
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  12. redrev1917

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    Spot on, when DTG get it right a DLC is a bargain even at £30.00, when they get it wrong I struggle to justify them even at 70% off.
     
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  13. OldVern

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    Fast and disposable is everything these days - even a duvet costs more to dry clean than just buying a new one in Asda or Tesco.

    My only caveat with the pricing, is that for £30 we should be getting more than one new loco/unit type. And I agree with what others have said, if Peak Forest had come with the reskinned Class 45, a Class 104 DMU in addition to the new 4F and recycled SoS stuff, I would have been happy to pay £35 (or even £40 if they finally give us a b____y buffet and restaurant car).
     
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  14. thomasdurnell22

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    You cant add up all the timetable services as content playtime as a load of services are repeats just at different times. You cant compare that to a triple a game that has VARIED gameplay. There is nothing variable about playing the same route over and over again.
     
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    To me every FPS is just aim, fire, repeat and rinse, I wouldnt call that varied at all. But of course it's horses for courses. And everyone will find enjoyment in the things they enjoy.

    That said I think a good triple A game is a bargain at £60.00 I've blown double that on a fancy meal excluding wine
     
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    Aside from the obvious caveat of you playing the same thing over and over, unless you buy multiple DLC’s (literally you could do say, one cod mission 60 times and make the same argument), the gameplay value comes down to how immersive it is, the point of this type of software, at the end of the day, is to immerse you in another reality. NYT does not do that at all, at least not realistically.

    Plus you’re completely discounting stuff in the other titles, such as multiplayer, which will give you a lot more than 16 hours of gameplay, and not I’m not saying TSW should have multiplayer, just that you’re only comparing one aspect of those games, rather than the entirety of it.
     
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    Valid points raised there, the general point I was making is for what you get for your buck for any decent video game makes them excellent value when you compare to other leisure activities.

    Yeah some games will offer more bang than others (much of which depends heavily on your interests and how you want to play , for example as you say MP on some titles). But compared to other hobbies where can you get hours of entertainment at anything like the same outlay whether that's £15, £30 or £60?

    I was looking at a ngauge Fowler 4F to add to my collection, it's an eye watering 280 notes.
     
  18. OldVern

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    At least there is some purpose to our gaming, whether RPG telling a story or simulation broadening your horizons.

    I play a couple of games on the iPad (Hay Day, Rival Kingdoms) and TBH they are an endless grind, level up and start the same process. If you want to progress quickly or compete then you need to spend real money on copious amounts of in game premium currency. Some of these loot boxes are sold for the outrageous price of £99 and all they do is push you slightly further along the grind.

    Not sure if we are still on the OP with this, guess the point is for all its flaws TSW and games like it do offer something a bit more creative than once again finding your barn or silo is full, because the game never gives you the expansion parts (unless you pay real money).
     
  19. CK95

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    Absolutely, I do think there’s little point to trying gauge what the cost of this type of thing should be, there’s not really any fair comparison.

    Ultimately the best comparison you can make is, is NYT worth the same as BML? or Is BCC worth the same as E-G.

    Even then, there’s too many factors at play.

    For me it comes down to, do I have £30 to spare, and would I rather spend it on this or something else.
     
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    It depends what you get out of it. I wouldn't buy a AAA game because it wouldn't interest me, but most DLC's offer hours and hours of enjoyment. It is a persons private business what they spend their money on.
     
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    I am glad I don't work for you!
     
  22. stujoy

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    Running somewhere and then killing something. Repeat.
     
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  23. OldVern

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    Had to smile running the new Boston route in TSC. Stopped at Fanueil station and I was looking for the Super Mutants (if you've played Fallout 4, you'll know what I'm talking about).
     
  24. thomasdurnell22

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    I am biased a bit probably because the only modern triple a games ive played are some of the greatest of all time like Super Mario Odyssey, GTA 5 and RDR2 (which has 107 missions plus a massive open world plus countless other stuff and mp and has an rrp of only £50).
     
  25. Crosstie

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    It's all very subjective.

    For a fully developed NYT with freight and LIRR and a fully fleshed out NJT timetable with ALP 45, 46 and an Arrow III I would gladly part with $50-60.

    Trouble is, DTG will not make such a route. ( Or should I say they won't make such a route in TSW ).

    What they have made is a dull, one new train route with virtually no freight or any other appropriate AI traffic, a hollowed-out timetable, missing yards, no sign of New York City and a mausoleum for Penn Station.

    All of which is way overpriced at $40. I bought it simply as a way to run the Acela other than on BPE.
     
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  26. OldVern

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    RDR2 is now regularly on sale for less than £30 (on PC/Steam). Must get it sometime, I know it has hangings (always good for a chuckle) but wondered if there are also trains?
     
  27. rennekton#1349

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    There is a steam train where you get on and do some missions. No spoilers so don't worry. You can also ride it to travel between cities.
     
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  28. thomasdurnell22

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    Best part is you can actually DRIVE the train! Unlike other Rockstar games.
     
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  29. stujoy

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    Yeah, my other half plays some good games like that. Not what I’m into though, I just like to drive trains.
     

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