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Well, if you want to liken it to the best team in the Conference North then feel free. I think it should be aiming to at least match TSC (which, using the same anaology) is probably top end of League One. It really ought to be comfortably exceeding it though. Driving into Nottingham at night in it’s current guise is a woeful experience, there is no other word to describe it.

 

Yeah, I’m comparing it to other TSW routes. TSC is a whole other level but hopefully TSW will catch up to it in terms of ambient lighting.

 

Old Premier League (90's- Early 2010s) Vs Modern Premier League is probably a better analogy, tbh.

The new stuff looks nice and fancy but the same teams win all the time, a lot of boring draws. It's still a great league but lost its cutting edge along the way (TSW)

The old stuff though, now that was quality. Wasn't very slick and good looking, but it was unique and had a lot of character.

Calling TSW the Conference North is just overly harsh. It's not a LOVE game, c'mon.

 

Holy smoke, we're in the presence of videogame royalty! It's like learning the captain of the ferry you're riding is John Jellicoe.

 

I'd much prefer a boring draw than a loss in the 90+ whatever mininte or going from 1-0 up with 5 to go to losing 2-1 after injury time. I 100% see what your saying but had to let this out as I've been on a real roller coaster this season with football so sorry for the tangent.

 

My 'english team' is Everton (help) but the Top Half stuff can be incredibly boring.

I'll say it until I die, the Scottish Championship provides unmatched quality capable of entertaining anyone from anywhere.*

*Unless that is Cathcart in Glasgow.

(We need a Football thread, don't we)

 

Oh, right, onto the ignore list you go then!!!

Mmm, yes I am surprised there isn't already a thread for football on here somewhere!

Edit: Sorry just wanted to add that I do agree top half stuff is incredibly dull.

 

Meh, not nearly as bad as watching Lampardball. Anyway, off to make a football thread I go.

 

Haha yes! I'll see you over there then!

 

jane-skyhook obviously this thread has been going for a while now and I've not fully kept up to speed with it, is there, or will there be a list of issues fixed and a timescale for MML? Still loving the route anyway.

 

I thought TSW was supposed to be the next-gen simulator?

 

That’s exactly my point. TSW is over 6 years old and we’re still here hoping it will catch up to a DX9 game that is at least twice it’s age. That ain’t right!

 

Pushing boundaries.

 

Good lad! Welcome to more suffering! I'm an Evertonian born and bred

 

How ' bout taking all this sports talk to the off- topic forum.
Most of us are not remotely interested.

 

There's a general list of fixes since it's over 100 fixes. There's also new features coming, brand new timetable and more. It's huge, so it'll release when its ready. She'll give more info and provide updates as it moves along.

 

Already did it.

For the others, it's over here: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/the-football-thread.70162/

 

The Journey is despicable, only 18 runs, how are we suppose to get the Mastery with only 18 runs

jane-skyhook Next time instead of creating such a low number of runs for the Journey, just do not create a Journey

 

Does it really matter? Sounds quite aggressive. There are some other journeys that are short.

 

He has a history of posting negative stuff regardless of the topic.

 

Compered to the current total number of services on mml, I'd say 18 is pretty decent and as Rennekton#1349 has already mentioned there are other routes with short journeys.

 

Oh do pipe down and get a grip. You know you don't need to complete the journey chapters to fulfill the Mastery requirements, right?

 

Well if it can not be done within the Journey, then what is the point.

The Journey is the only thing that is worth doing with any of the trainset, once the Journey is done, there is nothing left to do

 

Going into each route and choosing your scenario or timetable runs, the latter you can modify the date and weather for, and playing what you enjoy is the meat and potatoes of TSW. Rail Journeys are more designed for newer players and those wanting something that resembles a career mode.
The content in Rail Journeys isn't everything the routes have to offer.

 

Really? Howcome I have never done a journey but always have something to do?

 

maybe you like repetitive and boring stuff, and that is OK

 

No, I do the scenarios and then the timetables. It's not repetitive as I vary the route and the loco and the service itself as doing the exact same service would be repetitive.

 

It is the only thing that is interesting to do, as for the date, is always comes back to the computer date, as to be re-set everytime
If you play the Journey, at least there is variety with the date and weather. in fact the whole time table should just be completely hidden and since the Journey is based on it, the whole game could be just using the Journey instead of the boring and extremely un-varied time table

 

If you chase happiness you’ll never achieve it or be happy. Happiness starts from within. Being grateful that you woke up this morning ( thousands didn’t ) that you’re healthy, free of absolutely debilitating chronic pain, your body isn’t being destroyed by cancer, aids, Alzheimers, you have people that love you, you have some money to buy a computer. Many can’t even afford to eat. Happiness comes from within. Enjoy the journey of life, rather than a game and you’ll feel more fulfilled in life!!!!

 

you should start and appreciate the very good 150 in Cornwall, before you start lecturing others

 

Oh I remember you having a similar whinge on a different thread some time ago about this, mate you're sounding like a stuck record. It takes about, and I'm going to be generous here, 30 seconds to set the date and weather on a timetable run.

Boring and unvaried? Some routes have hundreds of services especially with layers so tweaking date and weather can make things incredibly varied, along with choosing a different loco with the afformentioned layers. I have yet to see a Journey mode that uses every single timetable service with the exception of West Somerset so you're purposefully ignoring a plethora of content because you're too lazy to change a few settings, making a very big mountain out of a tiny molehill over what amounts to a 'you problem'.

 

And you should start to appreciate that there is much more to tsw3 besides journey mode.

 

you forget that once a time table run is done, you have to go back to the main menu, and then go back through all the choices and set again the date and weather (TSW2), (i am with TSW3, so the weather is dynamic) for every run, and in time table it will not put you in the next run, it will only send you back to beginning of the game
As for layer 99% are false run, that is it is a substitution, so if you do the run with the "layer" locomotive, then you can not do it with the locomotive that is supposed to be doing it in the trainset, as that run is already done, the layer would be good if they were real run of their own and not stealing the run from another locomotive

 

all un-imaginative, un-varied, and boring stuff, that are do always with the default computer date, iunless you re-set them over and over, and over again

 

Very good and ‘150’ cannot be used in the same sentence for TSW in any universe.

I have however, unlike *some* members, very much moved on from trying to help them fix it, and concentrated my efforts into assisting the team at Skyhook and DTG that have created the very realistic sounding, looking and driving Class 158. So you see, as I said in my original post to your good self, it’s all about appreciating what we *DO* have, rather than what we don’t.

 

Well the day you start appreciate the very good 150 form Cornwall and stop harassing those that made with your "superior knowledge" of train then you can start lecturing people

 

I don’t think that sentence even makes sense but I will try to interpret it.

it is NOT very good at all. I have offered to assist them but they’ve ignored me. If you don’t know the unit, you may think it is ‘very good’ but to anyone who spends just 10 seconds in the presence of one of these units in real life will know it has massive errors and flaws.

The class 158 by contrast is night and day compared to that. End of story.

So if you re-read my original post, (( don’t I think you are grasping the point of the post so I will aid your interpretation ))

I said ‘appreciate the things you DO have, rather than what you don’t ‘

I will give you an example

I don’t have a satisfactory working 150 - past caring about that
I DO have an amazing Class 158 to enjoy. Simple.

 

Reseting them just means I can customize the weather system and time of year to be whatever I want, quite cool really, certainly not unimaginative and boring as you put it.

 

Oh really, 99% of all layers are fake. Let's go through the list shall we? The 101 layers in hrr and many other routes. Is that fake? The mp15 layers in peninsula corridor. Is that fake? Is the acela layering on boston sprinter and new york-trenton fake? How about all the other loco dlcs? The emt 43 ai on sehs: is that fake? Freight on german routes like hrr? How about you do your research on where trains run before saying 99% of the layers are fake. Sure, some layers aren't realistic, but does that make all layers fake?

Should journey mode and timetable be eliminated completely just because it does not meet your standards? Yea, a dlc is sure to sell well with just 5 scenarios to play with.

Boring and repetitive timetables? So is journey mode. The run itself is still the same. Journey contains timetabled services so what's the difference there. It is a YOU problem that you're too lazy to set the date, time and weather and go through the menus. Other people aren't complaining about it. It is not our problem or the developers problem. You clearly have nothing better to do since all you want to do is create arguments with other people and discuss only the negative things about tsw. Great job for derailing a thread.

 

I always wanted to be happy.... So I decided to be

 

Well, you've just lost any and all credibility you might have originally had.

 

Come on rat7_mobile, you should know by now that you’re not allowed to express a critical opinion on these forums, lest you fall foul of the ‘DTG (or anyone or anything connected to them) can do no wrong crowd’ even when it’s very obvious that they’ve fallen short.

I don’t know the content of your other posts but I’ve seen nothing you’ve posted here that justifies this ad hominem nonsense being fired at you. Journey mode is important, and ought to be a curated and logical exhibition of the best of a given DLC by the people that built the route so know it best. Given they are now £30 a go I don’t think that is too much to ask really. The Journey on MML is not long or varied enough. The Journey on Peak Forrest (which also has a lacklustre timetable), by comparison, is much better. QED. Bad DLC vs Good DLC. Hopefully the bad DLC is shortly to become a much better DLC but the jury is still out. We shall see.

Look on the bright side, at least no one has called you scum yet for merely disagreeing with them. Just keep it constructive and well thought out points will always win through in the end.

 

I feel that the journey mode can def be more populated, something along the lines of SEHS or as you mentioned, peak forest even with its limited timetable drives. However I also think some people are taking issue with that user's take on how timetable should be totally hidden and also how the class 150 is great which is erm......

 

I suspect Journey mode on MML is greatly constrained by the service pattern, which is essentially drive a HST from Leicester to Nottingham or Derby and back or a 158 stopper from Derby or Leicester to Nottingham plus the odd 5 minute ECS trip. Without a bit of freight to spice things up, it’s going to get repetitive. BML avoided this to some extent as although the traction was pretty much identical there were several service groups within two different TOC’s.

 

Blasting a HST up and down a line I've travelled on hundreds of times in real life is something I'll never get tired of. Here's some comparison shots I've taken of 43059 at Leicester. (Both photos taken by me)

 

I am scratching my head here. Timetable mode boring, I have run 60 services now in LBM and all are different. Now maybe this has a lot to do with that schedule Joe did, but you always have something different. Yesterday I ran a 377 stopping service, the 08.56 2O93 from Victoria to East Croydon and was behind another train the entire way causing me to run most of the route on its yellows, even 2 reds as I stopped at stations. Things like that throw variety into a run.

 

thanks Sharon, We are pushing really hard on a whole new timetable. I want every service to be fun!

all the best
Jane

 

I hope you're not taking any comments by Rat7_mobile to heart. He's got a long history of trolling posts and making comments intended to upset. We all know the work you and your team are doing and the vast majority of us are behind you.

 

I really appreciate your support in posting this, thank you Marc!