Midland Mainline - Skyhook Feedback

The way it is at the moment the player still initiates the door open and close as usual. The procedure isn't automatic. You can choose to press the door close button/key as soon as your passenger boarding meter has finished. Being as the dwell times are reasonable, you still depart on time.

 

Is it not automated? Ahh damn.

EDIT: It is automated, just opened doors and doors shut straight after and guard buzzed. Just did 5S91 Derby to East croft ECS.

 

So does this mean I only have to open the doors now and the guard will do everything else and I can move off once he buzzes

 

Same, I really enjoy it, adds more realism as well.

The 465 used to be my favourite Multiple Unit on TSW, The 158 has smashed it out of the park.

 

Looks like I need to take a looksee myself and see how it works in game...

 

Should be bonus points for running trespassers over.

 

I didn't know the close procedure was automatic. I thought we still had to press the door close key?

 

Me too. I’ve asked Alex but waiting a reply, but his post seems to suggest that. It would be really cool if the guard does close for you.

 

Alexjjones6024 has just posted that the door closing is automated. Awaiting his reply to confirm but that would be really cool if it is.

 

jane-skyhook just to follow up on the lack of aws audio when using external cameras on the class 158, it seems that it occurs on PS4, PS5 and Xbox (so basically all consoles and not pc)

hopefully this can be fixed, as otherwise this is shaping up to be the best route in tsw for me right now!

 

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Just loaded up that ECS service, put reverser in neutral, opened doors and then they shut a minute later automatically and then the 2 buzz from the guard came through around 15 seconds later and yeah, I was good to go haha.

 

I've just tried it on 2L29 Leicester-Lincoln and nope not automated, unless I'm doing something wrong.

 

Thanks. I’m not at home so I couldn’t try it myself. Can’t wait to get home now

 

Oh, ok that’s disappointing. I was looking forward to getting home and trying it myself.
Can’t see how you can be doing anything wrong, after all it’s either automated or it’s not

 

Apologies marcsharp2 is correct. Seemingly it is programmed only to instruct an automated closing procedure on ECS services as you are not officially stopping at the station you are spawned at. So unfortunately this won't work on passenger services it seems. I'm sure this can be programmed in but most likely, what you see is what you get sadly.

 

Aw gutted. Never mind, I’m still jumping on when I get home. I can’t get enough of the 158. Thanks

 

Yes I do this too. Usually when the yellow circle is around 3 quarters of the way around is enough time to start the door closing process. Just like in real life, the signs and announcements say ‘doors close up to 40 seconds before departure time’ etc

 

Hi Jane. Enjoying the updated route. Are there plans in next update to make depots look busier with more rolling stock and locos. Leicester is very empty.

 

Hi Jane I think already mentioned but just to say some stuttering going on around the power station chimneys. I reported this before the patch and I believe you said it was being looked at so just to let you know many thanks

 

It's on xbox series x forgot to say

 

That’s a good tip. I’ll be trying that later. Cheers

 

That happens in real life apparently

Hi Jane just wondered there's no smoke coming out of the exhaust on the 158 is this in the patch that's missing or will it be in a future patch thank you

 

First impressions: the Mastery doesn't effing work. Amazing. It says "Complete a Timetable between Eastcroft Depot and Nottingham." I've done like 5 such services in an attempt to get it to count. Didn't work.

And I encountered a misaligned precision stop box in one of them. I was off by 2.5 yards and got penalised 10 points (instead of 1 or 2).

Literally the first drive. 5 minutes in, and there's 2 things wrong already. Man, I feel so disappointed. I'm never again getting taken in by the hype. One time I make an exception and this is the result. I can only imagine how bad this route must've been before the patch, if stuff like broken scenarios and a broken Mastery are still in. Apparently, they weren't deemed "first priority."

 

Again as I said in the other thread, Mml Mastery works absolutely fine for me and as someone else in that thread said there are more polite ways to post your feedback.

 

OMG SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK AS WELL AS IT SHOULD, THE GAME IS BROKEN, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!

Yeah I get sick of it as well, I've issues with how DTG run things and have learnt that what they say and what they do are two very different things, but the people on the shop floor who make these DLCs from the ground up and work hard to make them for us have my respect, especially those at Skyhook who have worked hard with the improvements. But nope, people just wanna rant and rave as though they themselves have been insulted.

 

I do it "per unit"... most new ones are between 7 & 8 seconds... HST and Steam trains less than 1 second.
So in the case of an automated guard I would hope they're allowing the train to "release" before the departure time by starting the door close process probably ten seconds before departure when there's standing time available after the loading process is complete

 

Your point being? You can caps lock at me all day and talk about "hard work" and "respect," but the fact remains that I encountered 2 bugs, one of them rather major, in the first 5 minutes of playing. That's simply not good enough. I'm not "ranting and raving," I'm telling the devs that the Mastery doesn't work (for me, anyway) and that stopping points can be misaligned. Very different

 

It isn't negativity people get upset at, it is how you express it. If you addressed a comment to me like that you would at best get ignored.

 

Show me a game where there isn't any bugs, go on, name one. The Mastery issue has been around since day one and is a game issue not a Skyhook issue. I bet you love it when despite working hard you get nothing but criticism back because someone is very mildly inconvenienced. Assuming you work at all.

 

I mean, I didn't just pay you 40 bucks to immediately get a bad experience, so I wouldn't talk to you like that anyway. Customer dissatisfaction is very different from normal forum interactions, I believe.

 

Well if you were a customer and spoke to me like that you would get ignored.

I understand frustrations, I get it too.

 

There's nothing wrong with negativity and expressing constructive criticism. Look at every thread, many of us have done so. Theres just a way to go about it in a respectful way, we're all people here just like the devs. Jane and SHG have kicked it out of the park engaging with the forum setting a new bar for DTG and others. Them being so open and honest is refreshing to see. The forums can be a very harsh and critical place at times. The least we can do is try and be respectful towards them

 

Agreed, Skyhook have certainly set a new bar for community engagement and I really look forward to finding out what they have planned for the future of Mml.

 

Same, Jane has kept us in the loop every day for weeks about stuff that's being worked on. That's how it should be.

 

You're being very rude right now, on behalf of a company that's selling a premium-priced product. Stop shilling. "Assuming you work at all" — you shouldn't say things like that, that's, again, very rude. And even if I didn't work, that'd be none of your business.
Obviously I don't love it when I get criticised despite hard work, but that's just how things are. Also, this "show me a bug-free game" argument is both extremely disingenious and done to death. Yet somehow it keeps popping up every time someone is being critical.

The Mastery not working is very much a route-specific issue, as every Mastery is different for every route. The one "game-wide" Mastery issue that comes to mind is that sometimes it's not loading properly. That's fixed by going back out of the menu, then back in, to make it load again. The fact that some milestones don't count properly isn't a game-wide issue at all.

 

1. Sorry I just don't see how marcsharp2 is being rude especially considering the posts you've made.

2. While you may have a point about the hole every game has bugs has been done to death argument, it is still a very valid point nonetheless, besides there are far far worse games then tsw3 bug wise that are out there right now, just look at Gollum or Redfall for example.

 

"Considering the posts I've made" — sure, I could've been nicer. See, I just don't think a company is entitled to the same level of politeness as a person is. Jane, for example, has done, as a person, an exemplary job communicating and keeping us up to date. Applause for that. As people keep pointing out, she has set a new standard in how a dev should talk to the audience. The company, on the other hand, has just messed up the release of a patch that was supposed to fix priority issues. And even then, a scenario is unfinishable, making 1 out of 3 Steam achievements unobtainable, and a major game mechanic is broken entirely. All of these things required me minutes to see or confirm. I hope I explained myself

 

Goat Simulator

 

In regards to what's to unfortunately broken for you, Jane did say that certain updated game files which they sent to the publishers (dtg) didn't go through for some people for some reason and that they should be coming through for everyone very soon, with any luck that will fix the issues your still encountering.

 

I would clarify this.
People are not entitled to ANYTHING from people they don't know
People who have proven themselves as polite will get politeness back
In no way is my default position to be nice (or even polite) to people once they have shown themselves not to be polite
Jane, in this instance, has been consistent in their approach to this matter so "deserves" the respect they're getting
Other people (I can think of a few in my personal life) do not deserve that treatment, so I wouldn't agree that "people are entitled to politeness"

 

When you are addressing Skyhook as a company and being rude and beligerant you are addressing Jane, and all those other members of the workforce.

Considering the level of contact Jane has had with the "community" over the last few weeks, something we haven't seen before, it isn't fair to be speaking to her or Skyhook in such a way. Otherwise she might think twice about it in the future.

Matt himself has commented that some DTG staff find it difficult to read the forums, as he himself has said also.

 

Isolate switches for DSD and DRA on HST seem to be backwards. Not sure if DSD is working at all actually.

 

WMR sign next to plat 1 at nottingham

 

I wasn't (edit for clarity: even) talking about myself, I was justifying my abruptness when talking about the route and my first impressions of it. Feel free to talk to me however you want, and if I don't like it, I'll just tell you

No I'm not. I specifically explained exactly that.

Anyway, this is getting off topic. Seems like every time I come to this thread, I manage to stick my foot in my mouth and end up in some unfortunate argument.

So, back to discussing the route: does anybody know which settings do I need to tweak to get rid of this trackwork clipping? It's because the ties are set just a bit too low in the ballast, and on MML, it's one of the worst cases I've seen so far. I find it to be quite distracting when driving. View distance is at Ultra (or whatever the maximum setting is called) already.

 

Yes, there’s been a few posts on this. Jane has said she’s noted it and will be getting it looked at.

 

I was agreeing with you...

 

DSD works if you set the switch to off (isolate). You won't be able to acknowledge it with a controller though!

If you are on PC like me then you will probably find that most things are still broken other than the inclusion of new services.

 

I know, so was I "Feel free" wasn't aimed at you specifically, it was more of a general statement.

 

It seems there are so many inconsistencies with parts that most of these issues are either messed up in the missing files sent out as Patch 1 or may have not been addressed as they are deemed minor enough to not break the whole gameplay and as such will be released as Patch 2.

The patch was sent for release to (I assume DTG) for distribution, and then it was sent to the various venders for download. It looks like the files have been corrupted in this process. This type of thing happens, especially as this was very much rushed and there were a lot on here pushing for it to be released as soon as possible. I doubt SHG or DTG had enough time to troubleshoot every item on every version on every console/pc/Steam edition over multiple times to provide consistency and to capture every discrepancy and issue that was requested as ‘urgent’. Sometimes things just don’t work as expected and ‘crash’ and sometimes troubleshooting these areas no problem can be replicated.

I know there are frustrations but Jane has been exemplary with communication, and is pushing the team to resolve as many issues as possible in a timeframe. The proof is in the pudding and what has been delivered so far is very tasty. Please let’s let Skyhook at least have the opportunity to acknowledge and provide a response before we rubbish their route and their team who quite clearly have put in a huge effort for get the extras into the route in a short space of time.


Well done Jane and all of the team at Skyhook who have put in a shift to elevate the MML to what we have so far and for continuing to making it even better!

*edit for autocorrect!

 

I was going to put "Git" at the end to make it light hearted...