Midland Mainline - Skyhook Feedback

That legal letter was very likely created for Skyhook as part of their due diligence before hiring Jane. Key hires like CTOs don't happen on a whim, for any company. There are clearly disgruntled people in all this, but frankly it's nothing to do with TSW or MML or anything else we're here to talk about; it's Skyhook's responsibility, so let's leave it with them.

Videogames is a results business, and so far based on commitments made and results delivered, I'm not concerned in the slightest.

 

Actually people I have never met. You are right Phil in that Skyhook did enormous diligence just before I joined recently. Rightly so, as you say because of the CTO role. It affords a seat at the top table of the business and involvement across the board. Regardless of hiring me, or anyone else, any company would do major diligence.

I agree with you, not MML related in any way and attacks do not belong here.

 

Sounds like you and your family have being going through hell with all, I'm so sorry that some trolls have decided to drag all of this up here in the tsw forum's, I sincerely hope that things get better for you all in regards to what's been going on in your personal life.

Now as you were saying, let's get back on topic and talk about trains.

 

Gang, getting back to the subject of trains and MML..

Could people please share what their favourite experience has been with MML if you have the time please? This again allows us to tailor future content around feedback, which is very gratefully received.

 

My favourite experience from Mml has got to be driving the commuter runs with the Class 158 so maybe something to add to that in the future, a class 156 would go down a treat in that regard.

Future content I'd like to see:

Local passenger: Class 156

Express passenger: Class 222

Freight: Class 56 or Class 60

Route extension: Derby to Sheffield (that would allow us players to really stretch the legs of the HST and any potential Class 222 dlc)

 

Right guys,

Make MML the top route of TSW3. I certainly see the potential for that. What a marvellous craftwork that Power Plant is. Those cooling towers present already from a distance. Coal? Well, then let´s get some coal trains running there. Nottingham station? Carefully designed as well, just missing the noise of a big station plus corresponding train and outside car/bus traffic.
And more traffic, traffic, traffic ........... freight layering also from other routes.

These are my first impressions after a few hours on the route. Well, one missing junction at Nottingham and the Toton stop marker bug in one of the scenarios aside.

 

For me so far it has to be a 158 run from Nottingham to Derby. We had a late start from Derby due to an HST departing in front of us, and a further red signal at Sheet Stores Junction (or whatever the junction at that corner of the triangle is called!) while a St Pancras - Nottingham HST passed on the Down. These put us well behind time, but with a little help from recovery time in the schedule, we made up the time and got into Derby on time.

It was a really interesting run with the excellent upgraded scenery, fixes to signals giving correct sequences, possibly the best made train in TSW3 and the signal checks adding interest and variety. For me it was everything TSW3 should be.

 

Thank you for this and the list. Really appreciated. I think Will and the joint Skyhook/DTG team kicked the ball out of the park with the 158. The beta and tech team were just wonderful too. I honestly think it is the best DMU in TSW3 now, genuinely, not with my work hat on. Followed closely by my love of the 101 which I grew up with. I think there is mileage for further DMUs of this standard as you rightly say!

 

This is an exciting list, thank you! We certainly hope to make MML the top route of TSW3.

 

Thank you James and you touch on something we really wanted to achieve. One of my personal things is that I don't want every timetabled service to be just running through greens all the way to destination. We wanted to bring the route alive more, with having to navigate other trains where they can mess up your signals and timings! You will notice the new timetable is carefully crafted not to just cut and paste the same service and changing the time of day. We just wanted stuff to happen rather than just a clean green run.

 

The 158 is just brilliant I'm absolutely loving it one of my favourite trains alongside the 150 since the update the route is much better would be nice to have an extension in the future to get a longer run but overall its a really great route look forward to what happens to the MML going forward

 

When I was a child I'd go train spotting at Loughborough (Being from Leicester it's not far) and I always remember the HSTs blasting their horns before we saw them and then doing it again near the station as they sped through at line speed. This may seem odd but I love recreating that as I blast through Loughborough as well, that's one of my favourite things about MML.

 

Thank you Marc!

For me the MML is all about riding behind peaks on Sheffield to St Pancras services. Its why (and I don't know if you saw the live stream) our lead train programmer Tom put those Peak specials in just for me

 

I did, it was a nice touch. I don't know if you download scenarios on content creators club but shortly after the release of the route I created a couple, A peak hauled service from Nottingham to Leicester, recreating the 1970s, and then a class 40 hauled Derby-Nottingham recreating the Manchester-Skeggy Jolly Fisherman services.

 

dtg_jan You censored me instantly for a phrase made in jest when I was expressing enthusiasm for a DTG DLC. I am sure you did not realise it was in jest. Unless it stops now this stuff about jane needs sorting immediately. Where are you when really needed ?

 

Give the moderators a chance, the day has only just started and it's Sunday as well.

 

Definitely driving the 158 for me, on any service. I would love to see MGR coal trains with class 56, 58, 20 and 60. Some of my happiest early memories were watching these in West Yorkshire locations.

 

I personally don't care about the back story of a forum user/3rd party developer, whether its good or bad, I will judge on the quality of the product.

At the moment I am still waiting for the 'imminent' full patch as the route is still broken in a lot of areas on PC due to their 'missing files' screw up. Hopefully Jane can provide an update on this on Monday when people are back to work.

I am encouraged by the added services being a huge step in the right direction for MML but I will reserve judgment until I get the full compliment of fixes. Hopefully this will be very soon.

 

OK, Apologies. No wonder the poster used the cover of nightime !

 

Thank you so much for letting me know. With my head down at work not had a chance to look at creators club for a while. I am downloading now. That is part of my Sunday sorted, thank you Marc!

 

Now I can't choose one occasion so I'll do a top three:
1. It would have to be the occasion I mentioned on the other page as it put a massive smile on my face.
2. It would be running the Peak up and down the line both on the railtour and with a CC scenario ( I think it was marc's one so a massive thumbs up to him too)
3. Driving that HST up and down the line, it's just a shame it ends so soon(hint, hint for the future!)

 

Could you also remove the (equally as off-topic now that the offending posts have gone) responses on the subject submitted by Jane please.... I personally don't want to read about any of it - irrespective of who posted it.
Thanks

 

I am really grateful for you giving up some of your Sunday to sort this. Thank you DTG JD really appreciated.

 

I loved reading about that timetable experience Matt! It was exactly what I hoped would happen for people.

 

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not a hint (honestly) that we are doing anything, but I miss the Class 56 from being in TSW. I used to spend a large part of my childhood watching them thunder through Doncaster station.

 

Same. Used to get a West Yorkshire day rover and spend hours at Knottingley. Doncaster was a treat when my Dad used to take me. Holgate Junction at York too. There used to be a great place to park right next to the tracks.

 

Being a fan of the SIAM traffic control games (though not the price of some of them ), Aire Valley 90 is one of my favourites when you are managing the area around Knottingley including allocating the 56's and 60's on the various MGR services. Always thought that would be a great area and era to represent in TSW, with the constant flow of MGR traffic to Drax and Eggborough plus Kellingley Colliery.

 

Oh yes. Maybe one day hopefully.

 

I agree completely. Was incredible when I spent days there Vern. Used to dash across from Hull, where I am originally from and hang out in Knottingley for the day.

 

i agree with you for the most part however the gold medal thing like with achievements matter to some people and dont matter to others, both of which are completley valid view points

 

My favorite thing was the guard feature on the 158. I always enjoy the realism in train sims. I also enjoy how it's not just an a to b run. I like having routes that have branch lines over a linear route.

 

In my childhood, on Sundays my Mum, dad, brother and sister would go over my Nana's in Syston, we'd often meet our uncle. After a big lunch we'd go for a walk if the weather was nice and end up on Barkby Thorpe Lane (Which is recreated in the game) and do a bit of trainspotting. We'd often see 56s thundering past on various freights as well as 58s and 60s. Absolutely wonderful times

 

Ditto

 

I have no idea what the removed posts are about, but the amount of them and the "I hope I do not have to name them publicly" language instantly makes me think something's being covered up. It's probably some personal drama of no consequence (God knows there's plenty of that in the gaming industry), and I don't care enough to check, but jeez. I wasn't expecting words like "High Court" and "damages" to come up in this thread.

So anyway, what I actually came to report, before the multiple removed posts caught my attention, is this. You know that thing in the "Can't Make Your Mind Up?" scenario, where the Spondon stop doesn't trigger, so the scenario can't be completed? Well, I decided to get past that using commands and check what comes after (and hey, I wanted my achievement!). This is the next and final stop at Derby:

So it's not just a misaligned stop, the entire second half of the scenario is wrong.

I'm putting this up in case the team thinks only the Spondon stop needs fixing and misses the Derby one.

 

Really appreciate you sorting the situation out especially as it's the weekend. It was getting out of hand.

 

I really appreciate the info, thank you. Will pass to the team in the morning. Thank you ever so much.

 

I'm loving the 158. I've been using it on the 'off the rails' for the tees valley route as they use the 158 now the Pacers have gone. Loving MML and looking forward to the hot fix and future improvements. Really appreciate the time and effort you are putting into this forum and MML.

 

you are from Hull too?

 

Well at the moment I am happy and amazed at the amount of pathways available in Scenario creator for Midland Mainline...... This is what Scenario Creator should be. I haven't really looked into if there are any that finish in the Toton Depot area yet. If not hopefully Toton will appear soon. But loving the 158's and HST runs. need to look at the freight side of things at somepoint. I'm really looking forward to seeing if we can get some moves to and from Toton and hopefully get into Radcliffe Powerstation for those Heavy MGR trains....
Looking forward to the day wne we can runa 56 or 60 along the MML...

On a side note Janes personal life has nothing todo with anyone else on this forum, We dont delve into Matt's, JD's, Jamies, or any other person here from Dovetail , Rivett or any other of the 3rd party devs personal lives. So those of you that have been pushing on this and other agendas should really rethink on whether you should still be in the community!!

Regards
Hentis

 

I enjoyed the route before the patch (reflected in my Steam review at release lol), but even moreso post-1st patch. If I have to pick, then the sunrise/just after sunrise passenger runs are my favorite. Being that a good chunk of my ancestors emigrated from Leicester/Birmingham pre-1900 to Canada I've a somewhat weirdly vested interest in the area lol. Anyway, I'm looking forward to whatever SHG brings to the MML table.

Kind regards,
Dave

 

I am eagerly scouring this afternoon for scenarios, once Marc pointed out he had done some. I have found some great scenarios which will eat up my day!

 

More missing trackwork. Don't recall this particular instance being posted before. Wonder if this is in the "missing" files.

 

thanks Dave, I like the sunrise stuff too and hopefully we get to do more content at that time. I find it so atmospheric. I used to love being on the west coast mainline on TSC, going over Shap early morning.

 

I think you have found something new. Thank you, I will pass it on in the morning.

 

I've been away for a few days so I'm a bit late to the party, but at first glance I'm really impressed by the update.Not only is the Roundhouse in Derby there, but Pride Park and the Arena too! Thank you and well done to all concerned - I can't wait to explore the rest of the route!

 

Hi Jane will the missing patch be released this week coming

 

honestly Mark, right now I dont know but will find out more tomorrow. Its not something I am involved with, so get informed only. I certainly hope so. Once things leave dev, they are out of my remit, but I try and get the info for you guys as much as I can.

 

Cool.

Its a three parter on the on the MML and then there's a part 4 based on the GWE
Hopefully finish the first one this week somewhen.

Hentis

 

Really grateful for your comments. The tech and art teams both worked really hard to update the route. Let me know how you enjoy it.