Summer Big Three Sweepstake

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  1. Javelin

    Javelin Well-Known Member

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    You mean Tfw class 67?
     
  2. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    I said Welsh connection - Manchester to Chester trains are ran by Transport For Wales
     
  3. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    yeah lol, fat fingers on my phone :D
     
  4. pessitheghost

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    Don’t rule out the possibility of an ECML South, as we already have the 700 and 387, it’s also very possible to get the LNER license as it is a Dft owned TOC, and dtg got the EMT license which is also owned by DfT, so an ECML is quite likely to come, and as aforementioned, DTG usually release loco DLC’s with future routes in mind. Maybe we might get a Kings Cross/Moorgate to Peterborough as from Kings Cross the distance is 75 miles, 29 stations (Incl Moorgate branch) and you have the rush hour passengers (as well as the Fast and Semi fast 387s/700s). we might even get St Pancras but I’m not so sure. all the trains needed are the 800-803s(Lumo, Hull Traind and LNER [no point of the first two as they do not stop up until further north]), The 180s which dont also stop until York(no point either), the Class 91s could get added as well in their LNER swallow livery which is quite a big fan favourite, and the Class 717 along with the 387 in a GN livery.

    Or we can get a part of the WCML, as DTG already has the Avanti Licence, probably a Trent Valley line or a Manchester/Liverpool to Rugby/ New Street as it’s a sizeable part of the West Coast
     
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  5. 25262

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    1. Manchester-Chester is all in England 2. I asume you mean tfw class 67 with mk4s & 3. 67s with mk4s don’t work between Manchester & Chester yes they work the Chester-Holyhead line & yes they go to Manchester but the Cardiff-Manchester services go via the Shrewsbury-Crewe line.
     
  6. redrev1917

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    I did mean the class 67 yes but with the MkII (?) that ran certainly upto to 2020, although I wouldn't put it past DTG to stick a class 66 in just in with a rake of Mk1's for "game play reasons".

    AND again I said Welsh CONNECTION I never once said in Wales.
     
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  7. tallboy7648

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    I wouldn't want dtg to make the nyc subway. They would just get so many things wrong and botch the sounds.
     
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  8. Thunderer

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    For the UK route, Liverpool-York with a Deltic. Yes, I know, one can but dream.

    For the US - BART or Chicago L would be nice.

    For Germany, Munich U-Bahn.
     
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  9. matt#4801

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    I believe it was some of our old mk4 coaches and DVTs.
     
  10. 25262

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    Oh sorry, but yes 67 work with mk4s on a supposedly 2 hourly service Cardiff-Manchester and in one out to Holyhead but the timetable is a shambles at the moment.
     
  11. 25262

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    Yes.
     
  12. TrainGeek08

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    This is what I think DTG are gearing up for (if there is a big summer release this year)

    UK: West Coast Mainline South: London Euston-Birmingham New Street with the Class 390 'Pendolino' and Class 350 'Desiro'

    USA: Another American freight route, maybe Tehachapi Pass?

    GER: Something around Berlin or Stuttgart as those two cities have not been represented in TSW as of yet, maybe in the modern era?
     
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  13. redrev1917

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    Pre-covid there where certainly MK3's (if not mark 2's) as I recall the conductor having to walk the platform at NLW on numerous occasions when I caught them to Warrington to pick up a train heading north.
     
  14. matt#4801

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    Possibly, but cannot be at all sure on that being from the opposite side of the country. What I was 90% sure of (100% now after confirmation by 25262, thanks mate!) was that some of our old mk4s and DVTs went to Wales after coming out of service with us so I presume they must have displaced the slam door stock you remember.
     
  15. Blacknred81

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    Isn't BART mostly automated though?
     
  16. 25262

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    Yes they replaced mk3s which were indeed slam door.
     
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  17. grdaniel48

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    Hi, I like your proposals for UK and GER.
    But for USA, instead of another "mountain pass", as Cajon, may be something different as the BNSF "Racetrack"!
    This is Chicago to Aurora.
    Is a triple main line, owned by BNSF, with freight trains, with a yard in Chicago (Cicero), and Aurora (Eola).
    But also there is METRA commuter services, with 26 stations!.
    It is 60 km long.

    So I believe it will be very interesting from the driving point of view and traffic!
    3 tracks allows to have such different driver situations.
     
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  18. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Stated multiple times, METRA is a no go based on TSC due to licensing.
     
  19. grdaniel48

    grdaniel48 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but DTG could get it.
    I believe Metra should be interested in too..
     
  20. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Not really, as shown in the past, very little modern US commuter routes show any interest in licensing thier stuff with DTG.

    Metrolink, Coaster, Sun Rail, METRA, and MARC all unbranded in TSC.

    The MTA, MBTA, and Caltrain are the exception. (ACE may get added to that list if their interest was followed thru and an agreement met)

    EDIT (I believe Amtraks state supported trains also fall under the exception rule, so Amtrak California/Surfliner, Cascades, Midwest, and NC by Rail are available should DTG ever pursue them, though Surfliner is partially affected by the Metrolink/Coaster license and Amtrak Midwest by the Metra license for traffic)
     
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  21. grdaniel48

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    Ohh... I did not know about it.
    It is a pity then.
    Make the route for BNSF trains only, it does not have sense.
    Thanks for the information.
     
  22. TrainGeek08

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    Yeah, that's a cool route to have, the Metra Racetrack would make Metra be represented in game :)
     
  23. dhekelian

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    I had no idea about that, sorry.

    These Automatic trains do they have a guard on?
     
  24. jolojonasgames

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    In case there is a big summer release, which would fit the pattern of the past years, I think DTG will go back to a freight route for the US release, but would have no clue which. Perhaps they'll do a Chicago based commuter line or something instead, I don't really know. The US isn't my specialisation.

    As for the UK, I think one of the North of London mainlines is very likely. It's been requested a lot, DTG has built up experience with AC electric traction and developed two big stations. Perhaps some section of the WCML around Manchester? Though maybe they'll surprise us and return to the BR blue era or something. I think a steam era route after the release of Peak Forest is unlikely however.

    As for Germany, there are tonnes of options. I do think it will be relatively modern, with the vintage releases (that somewhat were hinted at) being a thing for the regular developement cycle after that. Germany is the only one of the big three that hasn't had a route re-released (like SPG and SEHS have). So perhaps we'll see an extension and upgrade of an existing route, with RSN and especially HRR being the most promising in that regard if you ask me. If they stick to something more modern, then perhaps something around Stuttgart or Berlin could be possible, as these represent major railway hubs that could provide a balance between new stock and experiences, while also using existing content for (AI) layers. Stuttgart could also have been hinted at on Niddertalbahn (next stop: BaWü), but that would mean the TSG team helped DTG on it, and got to leave that hint. Berlin also has been often requested, and has a few routes where there's potential for both long and intermediate distance RB/RE and/or IC/ICE traffic, aswell as the much requested Berlin S-bahn.

    We should see within about 1,5 months at most though, if we even get a summer release. DTG seemingly don't have much running after the relatively short Glossop Line and two loco DLC's, and they are working on bug fixes. This relative silence might mean they're busy on the summer release in the background, but might just aswell mean they really do wanna focus on bug fixing, and have gone as far as putting all dev teams on that (unlikely).
     
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  25. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    What automatic trains? Not sure where you are getting that from at all?
     
  26. dhekelian

    dhekelian Well-Known Member

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    Auto trains. Trains without drivers. Scotland has one or two and think England has a couple as well and others worldwide of course.
     
  27. 25262

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    No Scotland and England definetly don’t have auto trains.
     
  28. dhekelian

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    https://i2-prod.glasgowlive.co.uk/i...S/s810/1_Screen-Shot-2018-09-18-at-212442.png

    https://media.wired.co.uk/photos/606db99349ea96e5dec2cb6e/master/w_1600,c_limit/train.jpg

    From what I just read the London underground has some and they are trying to get them for the Thameslink and the docklands has them. And from the first picture the Glasgow metro has one or it is going to introduce it.

    Perhaps they are awaiting to be introduced? But London Docklands has an operational one?
     
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  29. redrev1917

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    Yes you are correct on this, and also a few Airport Monorails are driverless operations, Birmingham International certainly is and there may or may not be others. Glasgow subway and sections on certain lines on London Underground and Thameslink have automated controls but AFAIK still have drivers sat primed to take control.
     
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  30. mortal1234

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    UK - some part of ECML or WCML
    GER - Berlin S Bahn
    USA - NYC Subway

    Those are my hopes. That’s if there will even be a big summer release as part of me feels it won’t happen this time around for some reason…. Hope I’m wrong though.
     
  31. olly.smail

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    praying for ecml :)
     
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  32. Crosstie

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    Ironically of course, the Metra service from Chicago to Aurora ( Racetrack ), is operated by BNSF crews under a POS agreement. And BNSF owns the track.
     
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    Extending DRA up to Leipzig might also be an option.
     
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  34. rennekton#1349

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    That could mean we only see the bnsf side of things. Metra and bnsf are still two different licenses dtg have to acquire. Or if they really have no other option, they could do unbranded metra but wouldn't really go down well as a premium product. Dtg haven't dismissed making unbranded content completely and see it as an absolute last resort.
     
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  35. chieflongshin

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    I think WITH ECML between kgx and pbo being one of thr most requested routes for the last 5 years we're getting closer to them doing an 80 mile with all the stations..

    Class 158 tick
    Class 66 tick
    Class 37 Tick
    Class 43 Tick
    Class 700

    That's five that run/have run the line and then I'd expect a 91 and a Hitachi in time that can both layer in multiple other places
     
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  36. malikrthr

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    I wonder what project is being worked on. From Brandon's previous creations in TSC and TSW, I estimate it may take place somewhere along the NEC or LIRR.
     
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    Probably won't see this for a very long time but I'd like to see the WCML South from Euston to Birmingham New Street, with the Avanti Class 390 Pendolino and the LNR Class 350 Desiro.

    Would be nice to see Birmingham New Street populated with more trains.
     
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  38. mattwild55

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    This would be my preferred route over all others - good DLC possibility for the Class 710 for Watford DC line London Overground too, as well as Bakerloo LU. Then you'd have a proper main line with two really busy termini - that's the dream.

    Could even look at doing the dual voltage Southern 377 as a smaller gameplay pack too.
     
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  39. pessitheghost

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    I would love a transitional WCML, so with the new 730s,350s,319s,805s,807s and 220/221s
     
  40. AtherianKing

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    I’m going to place my wild yet thoughtful guesses on these routes/places.

    1 England (pretty good guess to say it won’t be one of the other countries/territories etc of the union :|) = London Kings Cross to Peterborough

    2. Germany = not sure but something to do with Frankfurt I’m sensing.

    3. USA = most difficult as I’m guessing freight focused or completely freight, I’m no expert in that area but I’m guessing Ohio is involved.
     
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  41. driverwoods#1787

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    The way I would see it is something like United kingdom Northern rail Manchester to Leeds via Halifax Bradford Interchange
    Germany Hagen/Bochum-Dortmund which will link RRO Ruhr Sieg Strecke & Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr features its own big yard Hagen Vorhalle where RRO train must be disassembled for RSN.
    US NJ Transit Raritan Valley Line or LIRR Babylon Branch via Bellmore Railway station 45 minutes from Penn Station. Freight Norfolk Southern Allentown
     
  42. malikrthr

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    I wonder if we'll hear of the 3 summer routes in the next roadmap
     
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    Let's wait and see. For the German route it might be S-bahn Rhein Main or TSW 3 version of TSC S25/S26 Heart of Berlin
     
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  44. Don't think getting a license is that hard though - several months before most of us wouldn't believe it's possible to get a Northern license and there's no Northern stuff for TSC. Some trains are unbranded in TSC mostly because DTG thinks it unnecessary to obtain one additional license and there will always be post-release patches available from third parties.
     
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    It is though, this is a quote from Matt from the end of last year.....

    And in the US, a lot of these commuter lines just don't want to do it. And Im holding my stance on that unless something new gets announced (Like the fix of the BNSF license)
     
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    I reckon the summer release will have a theme similar to that of Rush Hour where all three routes had some correlation. So I think potentially a ‘subways’ theme including NYC Subway, London Underground (again) & Berlin U-Bahn could be a possibility. Bit of a wild guess
     
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    For me an unbranded Metra is better than no Metra at all, and would offer something new in terms of US passenger routes. It's been a long time since Pennisula Corridor and we're in need of a route out of the North East.
     
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    Yes I would love to see that, it would make it my favourite German route by far if they did, it feels like a proper place to end a route.
     
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    I would love to see that too, certainly far better than ending at Rugby or Milton Keynes as has been suggested. Even better if it went to Wolverhampton.

    I think eventually routes like that will come, it took ten years for TSC to get there.
     
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    This is exactly what everyone was saying about BNSF not so long ago. Then DTG obtained the license and we have BNSF in the game. So it isn’t out of the question completely.
     
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