Midland Mainline - Skyhook Feedback

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  1. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Jane is a dude

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  2. Calidore266

    Calidore266 Well-Known Member

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    Here's a revolutionary idea: Ask.

    jane-skyhook , do you have a pronoun preference?
     
  3. darkwarrior#2896

    darkwarrior#2896 Well-Known Member

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    Could we content/DLC for MML at some point
     
  4. TimTri

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    I think Jane’s latest update on that is they’re committed to creating more content for the route and been discussing specific things internally, but can’t share anything publicly yet.
     
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  5. antony.henley

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    Notch 8 for me straight off for anything in the UK...... even if it doesn't have notch 8

    Hentis
     
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  6. antony.henley

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    Anyone else liked Firefly?

    Hentis
     
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  7. Southern Driver

    Southern Driver Well-Known Member

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    Can I make the suggestion that people show some respect to jane-skyhook and if you are not sure what pronoun to use you don’t use any?

    furthermore, can I suggest respectfully that anyone who continues to bring up personal matters appertaining to Jane is suspended or banned from this forum.

    behave like adults here, and show some damn respect.
     
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  8. JetWash

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    Perhaps you ought to practice what you preach.
     
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  9. Jamy

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    reminds me of a Johnny Cash song...hmmm now what was that
     
  10. gavin.gledhill

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    An extension to Sheffield from both Nottingham and Derby would be great, along with the addition of the class 153, 156, 222 DMUs along with an alternative freight loco such as class 56 or class 60 as opposed to the fairly common class 66.
    Overall so far the route is fantastic and I’m sure you and the team are working hard to make this a fantastic route for everyone, keep up the good work.
     
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  11. Taihennami

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    None of the above / Nonexistent. Actually, I don't think any TransPennine Express stock is in the game.

    The Class 158, however, seems to be in relatively good shape. People have mentioned one or two bugs after the first patch, but some of this might also be cleared up with the hotfix coming Soon™.
     
  12. jane-skyhook

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    I echo this, thank you Marc!
     
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  13. jane-skyhook

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    definitely not shouting in the void. These items are on our list for the next patch. We just wanted to clear major showstoppers first. We are working through everything posted by beta testers and all of you here, alongside our team updates. We are plodding on daily with fixes and new content.
     
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  14. jane-skyhook

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    I do not. I am legally intersex due to birth issues. So it is all the same to me to be honest. Really good of you to ask me though, thank you!
     
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    Thank you so much. I've just seen this. I'm glad you're enjoying it :)
     
  16. Sharon E

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    Yep, I am aware. I am the one who pointed to that great write up on him. Sorry it was a slip which I should not have made.
     
  17. jane-skyhook

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    don't apologise Sharon, it all works for me.
     
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  18. Sharon E

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    Thank you Jane
     
  19. jane-skyhook

    jane-skyhook Well-Known Member

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    Your scenarios are amazing Marc, seriously! Enjoying them very much.
     
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  20. Calidore266

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    You're welcome. Some languages have a gender-neutral, third-person singular pronoun, but English is one that doesn't. Maybe that will change one day.

    It's been really interesting reading about the improvements to MML. I don't suppose a TSW2 compilation would be possible....
     
  21. solicitr

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    Well we do, but "it" is rather insulting.
     
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  22. jane-skyhook

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    been on the end of being called that many times.
     
  23. richardwwoodward

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    I held off buying MML after reading all the initial feedback, and I'm really glad I did - the initial release sounded extremely buggy. I have been back in the UK for a few weeks visiting family and friends (and getting A LOT of train travel in) and on my return saw the extensive patch list, and decided to purchase the DLC. I am really enjoying it a lot (especially the guard feature - it really adds to the realism)! I'm so glad I waited for the patch to come out as having bought Rivet's Edinburgh to Glasgow content prior to its patching I know how much it ruined the route for me, and even after patching I still barely ever play it.

    I know there are still more patches to come, and some niggly things to tidy up (though they look to be well in hand), but I am really pleased by how good this route is. I hope it continues to grow and will have the depth and variety that Tees Valley Line (my favourite route) does.

    I'd like to thank Jane for their involvement and interaction with the community, I think without it this the patching wouldn't have been as extensive and successful as it is. Thanks Jane!
     
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  24. jane-skyhook

    jane-skyhook Well-Known Member

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    Hey Richard,

    This is so kind of you, thank you. I am really pleased that you are enjoying MML. I cannot take credit (but thank you!), I have the pleasure of working with an amazing and committed team.

    all the best
    Jane
     
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  25. bartolomaeusz

    bartolomaeusz Well-Known Member

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    I can't imagine how many hours have been put in all told between the development, release and patching; but I really feel like I've got my money's worth on this one as I like all of the UK Routes
     
  26. phil.elliott

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    I hope that after the full patch 1 is released we'll see some of the negative Steam reviews turn positive. 30% positive at that point won't be a realistic reflection, even if it's coming some time after the initial release, and that there's more to come.
     
  27. Calidore266

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    Damn, very sorry to hear that.
     
  28. March Hare

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    They has been the English third-person singular non-gendered pronoun since the 1300s :)
     
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  29. Sharon E

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    That goes with the preferred pronouns you sometimes see under a post "they/them".
     
  30. March Hare

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    Exactly, and it isn't the new use of the word "they" that I think some people believe it is :)
     
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  31. CowBoyWolf

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    [EDIT - Jan - Language]
     
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  32. Sharon E

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    As Jane noted in a post on the last page, his birth certificate shows intersex, not male or female. I would say then its up to Jane to say which. Now let's get back to MML talk.
     
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  33. stevenwalker1985

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    Jane i found another 2 issue with 2 services.

    Service class 66 rail tour: east midlands park way to weymouth. 5.45am there is a man stuck in the platform after he got of my train.
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    Second one is 3j43 class 66 service syston-syston.

    When i got to the Leicester bypass, i shut down the cab i was in, moved to the other end started up the cab, ready to go, but couldn't take the brakes off. I checked every other cab and those were all the same. The only way i could get the train moving was to go back in the cab i came from, set it up, put it in reverse and reversed it up to syston station. So this is a bug for sure.
     
  34. jane-skyhook

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    Thank you I will pass these on to the team for further investigation. I appreciate you passing this stuff on,
    Jane
     
  35. stevenwalker1985

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    No probs, forgot to say am on series x
     
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    thank you.
     
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    Yep, but its main use for plurals can make that confusing. A dedicated word would be nice.
     
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  38. stevenwalker1985

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    Another one

    Service class 66 railtour, weymouth to east midlands park way. At loughborough. Shes stuck. Lol. Series x 16870303184413997778742077863599.jpg
     
  39. Dinger75

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    Just out of interest, as not everything that should have been released in patch one made it through, is it possible that some stability fixes got left behind. PS5 version seems to crash too often. Pretty sure crashes I have had so far are driving the HST
     
  40. taybarker20

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    Thought I’d join the bandwagon and purchase MML
     
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  41. solicitr

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    A single example in one Middle English poem from 1375 hardly counts as "has been since," especially with the weight of all English grammarians from the 18th century onwards against it. Instead it represents a modern folk-neologism to fill a perceived need, like "y'all" as a second-person plural.

    Or are we going to start taking all of Chaucer's and Langland's usages as grammatical now?
     
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  42. alexjjones6024

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    So when is this patch being released?
     
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  43. March Hare

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    I'm not sure why you've singled out Chaucer and Langland, and that statement about "all English grammarians" isn't provably or logically true.

    I'm sure you should know that language was oral first and foremost, and if people started using "they" as a singular pronoun in writing (not only those you named) it's likely because people (not everyone) were using it in everyday speech.

    But the singular pronoun usage has been recorded as the dictionary definition for years, and the denotation is based on oral as much as written usage, which does influence the development of grammar, regardless of "grammarians" arguing over it. Language is a mutable thing, after all.

    But my comment was only supposed to be an interesting aside, not a focal point of linguistic debate and etymology and widespread usage (which is impossible to pin down anyway), and has nothing to do with MML...
     
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    Why Not Just Invent a gender neutral word. Might I suggest "Hir" or "Hem".?
    Now can we Get back to NNL please. :)
     
  45. CowBoyWolf

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    MML*
     
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    It's not out of control it has been quite civil actually. And not off the rails there are lots of posts about MML. Geez 2 users talk a little off topic to Jane being polite and your freaking out.

    It nice to know how someone would like to be addressed properly.
     
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    Jane
    It is at the position where a main signal is hard to be seen.
    Do revise a signal assisting it?

    All installed along the line is without lights. The present situation is a decoration of the without lights.
     
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  48. stevenwalker1985

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    Jane another service bug issue on mml.

    Class 66 service 6F46 stapleford sidings-cliffe hill stud farm @ 01:47.

    Put in reverser, into forwards, try to release brakes, but they dont release at all. This service cant be done.

    Am on series x.
     
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    Are the brakes in cut in or cut out and are the brakes in passenger och freight mode?
     
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    Brakes are cut-out on that service when you join it. You have to cut in
     
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