Is This The Smoking Gun Pointing To Tsw4?

We didnt last year, we got 2 new routes and an extended route, I think the pattern will repeat, they may go further still and provide just 1 new route and 2 reworked routes.

 

And probably not the ones we want or would expect to see extended. Would be funny (not really) if they added yet more to SEHS.

 

The last few years the "big summer update" has been announced at the railfan event in the spring. Hardly "Bam, 3 new routes"

 

Yea I forgot the pricing. But it seems it has gone up since then. I think after the release of tsw3 each individual route has been 39.99 but l think we will find out soon enough

 

£29.99 for a reasonable size route. So it probably follows with a bit of discount, last years "standard" version at £39.99, this year likely to be £49.99 for the three (or two and a remake) route pack.

 

They may go even further and follow the old TSC pattern - a release with 3 "updated" routes and a deluxe version to include a new route. Although I feel whilst this is the long term plan, I reckon they'll break it to us gradually by providing 2 updated routes and a new one this year.

 

We probably need a sub to my "Big Three Sweepstake" to postulate which two routes might be getting the extension treatment. Or we can do it here.
I'll start the ball rolling with GWE for the UK, either through to Oxford or Thames Valley branches added. North America, possibly the mooted big Oakville update morphed into a route extension exercise. Germany too many variables but how about Hamburg to Lubeck pushed through to Puttgarden with the TSG 218 making its debut?

 

I'm going with Germany being Munchen Augsburg extension, simply because we know it needs work in order to facilitate TSG's BR420, makes sense to kill 2 birds with one stone.
UK wise, Im going London Commuter extended possibly to included Lewes with a merged timetable with ECW. Far fetched perhaps, but again we know it needs optimisation work and I'm sure they'd love to include a 700/1 layer on it. We also suspect SHG are looking a route mergers for MML so not as improbable as say 12 months ago.

USA - Given we know Brendan is working on another project which will keep him busy over summer I'm going to suggest an extended Harlem Line, perhaps to include the Hudson line with the Amtrak spur into NY Penn.

 

Is there not usually an summer sale festival that DTG has where they announce new stuff?

 

Didnt we have that last month?

 

Yea, I think he had mentioned before that he wasn’t interested in working on another contract but for the New Haven line he would do it all day. So my hopes he’s working on the New Haven line and makes sense why they would make sure the NYT time table was fixed before this becomes official. All speculation of coarse. But I would take a Harlem extended, Hudson line, or a new LIRR. All excellent routes

 

Could very well be New Haven.

 

Elvis in your laundromat! I don’t believe you……..,…..,..,..,,,you haven’t got a laundromat

 

They will need a TSW4 because they want the extra cash. TSW2020 was not needed, TSW2, was not needed, TSW3 was not needed and TSW4 is not needed.

 

TSW2020 is TSW CSX Heavy Haul just that it changed name 2 times i think

 

I have a grand total of 2.5 hours on TSW 3. Wasn't worth buying it really. Certainly won't bother with a TSW4 if thats the plan this summer.

 

They may want the money, but I’m happy with TSW3 and all the uk routes. No need for me to upgrade, so I won’t be doing that. Can’t speak about tsw2020 etc. as I never owned them. What does amaze me though is how DTG treat such a great and loyal group of train sim players.

 

Is that great and loyal group the same group that are always moaning on this forum? If they were truly loyal they would just buy whatever comes along and enjoy driving the trains, not proclaim they will not buy TSW3 or TSW4 at every opportunity. The yearly releases, whether they are just a bundle or a new game title, are the best value for money content available for TSW. I get that it could be annoying for those players who only buy a very small number of DLC having to buy a route they might not want to be able to get something they do want later but they can’t really be described as loyal now can they. The single route starter packs are broadly the same price as a single route DLC so the issue is a minor one and a mild inconvenience at most. If they are releasing TSW4 this summer I’ll be punching the air in celebration as I shout at the top of my lungs “Get in, loads of new trains” like a true loyal player, if such a thing even exists. I thought we were just customers

 

Lol, you’re funny when you’re annoyed !
Sorry I voiced my opinion on a forum. Oh, wait, isn’t that what you just did also.
Enjoy TSW4 buddy. We’re all very impressed.

 

TSW4 should hopefully be an Unreal 5 engine upgrade, if it's still on unreal 4, would be a major disappointment.

 

The only reason to release TSW4 title this year is to drop 8th gen consoles finally.

Becaise since TSW3 was released on 8th gen it would be the only way to drop it.

From the games showcase last week it sure looks like Microsoft is dropping 9th gen only releases from the fall on.

 

This is neither necessary nor desired for me.

All previous DLC (-TSW3) would then be gone. There is no "copy-paste" here. Nobody does (and cannot) make the (big) effort to convert the previous content from UR4 to UR5. You would be starting from 0 again, only to have an even more cumbersome engine.

I would prefer if the current engine were really fully exploited. In any case, there is still a lot of room for improvement.

 

I don't see them introducing TSW4 this year, or if it does happen I think it will be just a "rebranding" with some new routes or maybe some minor new features. I can't see them wanting to go through a transition to a new version and having to update old routes every year. They haven't brought out all the TSW2 fixes yet.

I don't think a new version is necessary at the moment anyway.

 

I think UE5 will a good step forward....the bottleneck is now the engine... This is completely separate from a new TSW version. I believe they will bring UE5 including by release the TOD4 routes + new content and all other routes following later on but this is pure speculation.

 

I mean TSW4 will this year not comming.Big update yes,TSW4 not.

 

Yeah I agree, never understood why we went from TSW - TSW 2020 - TSW 2 - TSW 3 - ???, just stick to the year format like TSC.

 

Not sure how I feel about having another version of TSW added to my steam list. At this rate we would be having 10 iterations of the game by 2030. An exaggerated number of course but downloading the same game (with upgrades) every (few) year(s) seems a bit much. I believe they should adapt the same format as TSC and offer such big upgrades as free core updates, and stop giving it a new number every time.

To me it would make much more sense if they worked with version numbers instead. Like we would be on TSW v3.0 now, and if they're doing TSW4 they'd be naming it v4.0 instead of cluttering our game libraries with yet another "new" game.

 

You know you can hide games from your library so there wouldn't be any cluttering? I hid TSW2020 and TSW2 as well, as I no longer play them.

 

Ah yes of course, I didn't think of that.

 

If you look at SteamDB, there are still many depots in TSW3 that have not been used. Generally speaking, a depot is a DLC, so if DTG planned early on to develop TSW4, they shouldn't have kept so many TSW3 Depots. Certainly, it's possible that the new DLC could be common to TSW3 and TSW4, but that would add to the workload and I don't think DTG will do this.

 

Personally I don't think we're getting tsw4 this year, I think we'll get a free core update plus a 3 route bundle in a similar vain to what rush hour was.

 

Yea I think a core update would be welcomed. An update for the lighting, passenger behavior, reducing stutter. I’m on the the fence when it comes to change over from TSW 2 to TSW3. I was very excited in the beginning but after the few months and routes came my opinion changed . The nightlighing in my opinion is worse on the tsw3 only routes than the previous TSW2 routes for tsw3. The routes during the day a seem to be very bright. I’m not sure what is on the pipeline but I hope it improves gameplay experience. This is my opinion and not facts.

 

That could be the right spot! The only option extra could be the name "TrainSimWorld" without an extra number or year.... If they follow the structure of TSC.... For me is 90% sure they will bring this new name! The whole numbers are unnecessary....

 

That would be MUCH better than TSW4.

 

Personally, IF we get a new installment - be it this year or the next - it should be a free game with the training centre* and it's generic stock with it.
DLCs should carry over.
In a nutshell, what the 'TSW3 Upgrade Pack' did, before being delisted, but actually free.
It means that people aren't stuck on a (unofficially) abandoned game - when the alternative is just carrying content they already own over to the new core game.

That way, nobody loses out.
Then the 'Core' DLCs can come in a bundle or separately.

 

Fully agree. I think they'd attract a lot more players if they released the core+Training Centre (Center ) for free.

I got into ETS2 by installing the free demo - which features Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Now I'm owning all DLC plus ATS (Yellowstone National Park is awesome)

And it was the shareware model that made Romero and Carmack (id software) millionaires, by releasing the first episode of Doom for free back in 1993 - the idea came from their distributor Scott Miller (Apogee). Seeing is believing, better to test it yourself than to read (often contradictory and subjective) reviews.

 

I don't think so! The cost to create the new(old) features that comes with last year TSW3 is large... It's a big behind the scenes update.... That's not fair to get this for free. Even for people they had paid already.

 

The model works fine for TSC where the routes are cheaper and generally longer than TSW anyway. You could also argue many of the updates in TSW4 (whenever it appears) are bugfixes or QOL improvements such as (hopefully) taming the awful lighting introduced in TSW3. That shouldn't have to be a paid update (IMHO).

If they supply three decent new routes, or even a couple of existing routes extended and augmented with some new traction I will happily buy. In fact any decent route DLC will likely be added to my collection but some of the short one train routes we have been seeing recently, the latest of which is Manchester to Glossop, are not the way to go. Nor am I likely to buy TSW4 if it is a paid update unless it comes with at least one super duper iconic must have yesterday, route.

 

From my observation when TSW3 was launched with with the 3 longest route in the game.we figured this was the future for longer routes. But since then, all routes have been short to medium and e are about to come up to a year since. Longer routes don’t necessarily adds to great experience. I figured this potential would had been revisited again by now but still waiting for it. Let’s see what happens in the near future.

 

Maybe it’ll be expanded up to Donauwörth or Treuchtlingen?

(would be very great, cause it’s pretty much right out of my front door )

 

If you are going to extend Hauptstrecke München Augsburg where are you going to bring it then? You have two options West to Ulm Hbf where it can link up with Schnellfahrstrecke Mannheim Stuttgart Ulm eastbound Rosenheim & Salzburg Hbf. Option 3 Innsbruck Hbf via Garmisch Partenkirchen. The Austria bound extensions of HMA should see the 182 in the 1016/1116 versions.

 

I‘d say either in the direction of Donauwörth or in the direction of Ulm. The rest sounds somewhat unlikely

 

Thank you for telling me about that and the reason why I brought up the Austrian extensions of HMA Salzburg & Innsbruck is that they're TSC routes that have been requested for TSW3. Ulm makes sense due to it being DB Baureihe 440 Fugger Express end point.
If DTG wants to make money and listen to a 2021 rush hour DLC proposal then US route Acela Express UK Class 700/0 Germany ICE-T

 

Although I think that Ulm would be a bit too far away, and Donauwörth would be more likely

 

I was actually thinking more eastwards. Given the 420 is layering in it would make far more sense to extend the Sbahn than the main line.

 

Works fine for TSC as OldVern says.
I'm not advocating that the base Routes and Locos (such as, for TSW3, Cajon Pass) come for free - just the core game.

It means that you can stay up to date, and buy any new DLCs as and when you want - without having to buy a route you aren't interested in, or perhaps you can't afford at release.

 

Qq

Route length can add to being a great experience depending on the route*

 

I’d rather see another Rush hour type dlc, all the routes are considered to be some of the best DTG have released in terms of the overall package of length, traffic and service variety.

 

It’s simple for me. Whenever TSW4 does come out, then if it comes with a good route or two, then I will buy it. If not I won’t.

Now I won’t be very impressed if they do release it this year when the is still so much broken in previous versions (Stil waiting for Rapid Transit Dosto cab car fix personally), but it’s all speculation anyway.

Going to have to be something really special though. I’m less than impressed with this year’s releases and the couple I‘ve bought don’t have many play hours. I‘ve been investing a lot more in TSC recently just because of busy stations and variety of stock - It helps that I prefer scenarios to timetables though. That is where TSC is lacking.

 

Over the course of its lifespan, TSC had only a very few updates.