Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

Good morning DTG JD, I was wondering if you guys had an update for the Trenton Timetable. I know on the roadmap you guys had mentioned it needed testing. Would be nice if we can get up general update on how things are progressing. Thanks,

 

Ok JD thank you for the update

 

Awesome to hear your team is taking their time. An update of this magnitude will require a ton of testing & it's good to see you're prioritizing that. Meanwhile, we'll wait for the all clear signal

 

I hope that's is the new NYT time table that they will be showing on Tuesday

 

They'll probably mention what progress has been made but not show it since it's a roadmap stream, not a preview of anything.

 

So ill take this as good news. I'm probably reading too much into it but this is similar to the bakerloo timetable last year.
Hopefully this would be a core update that could arrive in a couple of months

 

Clearly it’s good news. Next step is off to the testers.

 

Good news bad new. Speculating, But I think Brandon is busy for the summer but the reason is not what we taught it was, looks like he's might working on NYT. nothing confirmed but that's what I gathered.

 

I recall he mentioned he was working on a project this summer if I am correct. Part of me wonders if this could be a new section of the NEC that is being worked on or the NYT improvement

 

It makes sense. Good news is NYT will be a great route. the bad news is don't think he's working on New haven or LIRR route

 

Remember when they advertised the route with the "improved" signalling, implying that it would be able to handle dense traffic? And saying that the timetable it lacking because they simply didn't have time to fill it in? So that was a lie, considering it needs core dispatcher improvements to function properly...

 

Lol Exactly, that "didn't have time to fill in" was nonsense of an excuse lol..Tried to tell yall when it comes to US passenger type dlcs especially involving around NYC...I believe this so called improvement to the timetable when i see it.

 

To be honest it could be worse. At least we are finally going to get the timetable we should had gotten when it launch. I remember last year with the bakerloo time table. It was first announced I. May and we didn’t get it until late September after almost a month after tsw3 launched. I think we are getting a middle staged tsw3 core update similar to the rush hour releas to hopefully fixed some of the issues that have been since launch. Last July’s roadmap was very similar with almost no content…..expect something first week in august

 

You can also go to the 1990s with X2000 AEM-7 E60s Amtrak with KWG giving the ICE1 to NEC. NJ Transit Arrow III and ALP-44 Comet I-IVs that includes the Arrow I EMU-based Comet IA.

 

I think we can expect the updated timetable sometime in August at a guess being realistic,it's still in testing if iam right ,still on a positive note it's coming!!

 

Whilst true, I still wouldn't buy this route. I am sick and tired of game companies like DTG cutting corners by rushing content and them literally lying to their customers faces about how the signaling can handle the increased traffic but then saying that it can't. I am also tired of seeing the potential that dtg can give to routes like these on day one wasted just so they can earn a quick buck and then patch it later in order to save face. Heck they basically copied and pasted the section from the old nec route from newark airport to penn station to this game after saying the old nec route couldn't be ported. From what I've seen at newark penn station, you can't go from one platform to the other because they didn't model the staircases and underpass to get to the next platform meaning you would have to cross the tracks to get to the other platform.

Had they had gotten the route right the first time, there would be no need to go back and redo the singals and timetable. At least this thread gave them the backlash and reviews that this route deserves

As far as I am concerned, they don't care about the quality of the product at all and no matter how apologetic they may get on stream, actions speak louder than words. If they would've gotten the route right the first time, then they wouldn't have to go back and sort out the problems with this route

 

Preach!!! I've seen the vids bout Newark Penn and they didnt even create and underpass to platforms lol....already a fail as usual!

 

I have to agree with your post that the direction of this dlc (and also the new mml), isnt just a few bugs here and there. This is about cashing money for an unfinished product.
Well im glad they fix it afterwards at least, but running the loop with a fire extinguisher when the damage was done, cant really be called a vision.

 

TSW3 is more like this:

And your previous car the mechanic promised to fix after you buy this? Forget about it, a new car is coming soon anyway.

 

well if the leak is true then we can expect the update NYT timatable to come out in October after the new core update in September

 

clearly, just speculation, but I'm really hoping it's an extension to NYT so it's down to Philly. This, plus the updated timetable would make this route just SO great. Honestly, if they sold the extension as a separate price (which would be the likely scenario if it at all happened), wouldn't even upset me, just want to be able to go from NY to Philly!

 

Well I would say we have four possibilities at the moment:
1.LIRR new route
2. NYT working the signals
3. NYT extended(but very doubtful since I don't think they have the Septa license)
4. New Haven line not sure if to Stanford all to New Haven itself.

 

If they get a septa license I’d prefer to see a new route Trenton to Newark de than an extension of NYT to Philly.

I still hope someday they do different extension of NYT to morrisville Newark broad st roselle park and south amboy

 

A very small item to bring to the attention of Joethefish -- playing NJT service 3510 (one of the South Amboy-NY runs) and the service has you making stops at North Elizabeth and Newark Airport. In real life this service does not make those two stops (I verified with both the 2019 timetable, that I believe I saw somewhere was the basis for the NJT services in-game, and the current public timetable on the NJT website).

 

Good catch there. Where did get he 2019 timetable. I was looking for it but never found it.

 

I have the summer 2019 Newark and Hoboken Division ETTs. Won't let me upload the former to the forum (file too large) but maybe DM?

 

Yea Joe agree. We can’t wait to see the finished product

 

That isn't going to happen. They aren't going to model Philly 30th Street for a free patch, and there's no point doing it without SEPTA trains, which don't and for now can't exist.

 

Fair enough! Joe, can't thank you enough for your efforts to bring the route to life! MAX1319, let me know if you want that 2019 Newark ETT.

 

The one you send me was good. I’ll take a look at it and let you know

 

The 2015 timetable will be fantastic

 

This and the Mainz-Koblenz lines are ones I have personally taken and would love to play, but with the reviews I am waiting for a full discount sale. I'll cut the corners on the price like they cut the corners on the content.

I'd definitely love to see some SEPTA heavy rail content!

 

To piggyback, at least nowadays Amtrak Keystone 609 makes a stop at Metropark. Idk if it did in 2019 or not.

 

I found an interesting and / or alarming glitch. When playing the Northeast Regional 196 Timetable service, NJT Train 3959 rear-ends Amtrak Keystone 655 at Trenton on Track 4 (low speed, no derailment). It's a pretty bizarre glitch because:
1. AI are not supposed to hit eachother.
2. It only happens when you play NER 196 & never on foot.
3. It leads to a backlog of trains between FAIR & HAM interlockings since DTG exclusively routes / paths ALL westbound trains onto Track 4.

Once again, I think this makes it apparent that with the new update, Track 5 at Trenton might have to be utilized for select westbound NJT trains, along with Track 2, also for westbound trains.
There are a handful of westbound NJT trains that crossover between HAM & FAIR interlockings to terminate on "Track 2" then turn to head to New York without continuing to Morrisville Yard. Otherwise, we will likely face major backlogs near Trenton, similar to those experienced on the Harlem Line.

Here's a video of the whole ordeal (with timestamps for easy viewing)

 

Hey Joe I figured I bring the suggestion up. Hope for some Easter eggs in the NYT time table….. especially at night when is not so busy .

 

1. Amtrak Keystone 609 bypasses Metropark in TSW3 as of now.

Here's the 2020 Amtrak Timetable. I have 609 highlighted with an arrow pointed at the Metropark stop:

2. SPLENDID (Doktor from Metal Gear Rising voice). Nice to see the crossover appeal in the next update

Sidenote: If any of y'all are interested in a recent real life experience I had on Amtrak's Keystone Service 609 with broken signals, feel free to watch. Worry not, you can skip around with timestamps. I had to sit there for over 4 hours.
This could be inspiration for a scenario perhaps? Havoc On Hudson Part 2? Enjoy

 

All good. Thanks for your help & I'm looking forward to seeing your work in the update Good Sir.

 

I think the 2015 timetable is just fine ,it brings the route to life and that's what matters ,otherwise that's just really "nit picking" I think Joe will deliver an awesome timetable, have no doubts on that!

 

Hi, Joe, you may already know this, but just in case not - if you are using the 2015 timetable, the 26XX series trains primarily used ALP equipment too since they originated/terminated from Long Branch (could be interchanged with 32XX series consists), while 23XX are diesel/dual mode only since they start or finish at Bay Head.

Also, just wanted to note that there are some interesting routings for coast line trains during PM rush - depending on what time a 32XX/26XX/23XX train leaves from Newark Penn, it may be routed on track 2 instead of track 3 for the whole distance between (and at) Newark Penn and Union Interlocking so that it does not interfere with traffic already on track 3 that may be departing relatively close to that train’s departure time from NWK (for example Amtrak or 39XX series trains). In other words some of these coast line trains may be “wrong-railed” on the eastbound express track during the PM rush hour.

 

I have never been on track 2 in the evening rush. Never.
Evening rush is always on 3 or 4 never 5 because of the ramp from the path to the platform

 

I think during 2015, some NJT Bay Head directs and a few Long Branch(I think from Hoboken) may have used track 2 on evening rush hours. If that helps, unless I went left..But there were a few times I used a (I can't remember which particular service) Bay Head direct from Penn Station and it arrived at Newark on track 2, if this is based on 2015

 

No worries, Joe. Too bad the dispatcher/timetable is still a bit finicky when it comes to reversible tracks. In any case, I’m happy to see all those electric services included.

I think it mostly applied to a handful of coast line trains including those from Hoboken, so I would not be surprised if this does not happen anymore. However even in august of 2020, there were numerous outbound coast line services using track 2 during the pm rush (see attached pics from departurevision at Newark Penn) and you can see in the linked video at time stamp 4:40 that trains were on 2 up till Union interlocking.

 

Good morning DTG JD . Any update with the NYT? or do we have to wait for the roadmap