Midland Mainline - Skyhook Feedback

I've had personal experiences with a person of a similar character trait pushing me out of my job - it can be hard to resist their charm at first. I'm not angry about anyone having reported me, can see it from a different angle actually. I'm tired now of all this. Let's make a retro gaming OffTopic thread or talk about fixing cab camera positions. Good night.

 

I’m going to ask it. Am I the only one who isn’t really sure of what has happened recently/today?

I know this route was released by Skyhook, Jane seems to have some sort of hand in it all and has been promising to fix all the bugs. There have been one (or two) patches which are supposed to have fixed everything/something and the delay in getting them out appears to be with DTG who they have been handed to, and who need to run them through testing. One or more patches have been delivered, possibly. Is there stuff I’m missing ?

 

I find you very charming torf but I...shall...resist...

 

Words said by Matt on a video conflicted with what a Skyhook rep said, confusion ensued. Read the last ~5 pages for more info

 

I presumed that it was included under ‘localisation fixes and changes’
Anyway, I’ve now put it in the new issues thread (which I hadn’t seen until after I posted) so we’ll see if there are any developments. At least I now know that I do have the patch.

 

I am just trying to work out if I have the complete patch yet. Has there even been a patch yet? Did we just imagine it? Meanwhile, others seem to be questioning the character of others based on past history.

Whatever the answers are I think this thread is history.

 

there should be a hotfix soon

 

Why aren't Skyhook putting someone else forward to answer questions and state their case in Jane's absence? Surely this is a reasonable approach?

 

Indeed there should, but there likely won’t be. As was said the other night, ‘all patches related to MML have gone out’.

 

DTG seem to be handling communication related to MML now. Suspicious considering DTG aren't the developers of the route and Jane was very active on the forums taking in feedback after initial release. You would think Skyhook would be able to find someone on their team to come on the forums and explain what's going on.

 

If all patches gone out why am I still getting emergency break application on the hst at Mountsorrel northbound and southbound, I though this would have been fixed by now and where is the freight services on the ps5, Jane said they would come soon after the first patch was released, well that was a lie

 

The big issue here is that like 80% of the stuff that was in the patch notes for the last two MML updates hasn’t actually been addressed/fixed at all, which started the “missing files” hypothesis in the first place.

 

I have and did, my main conclusion being that while there does seem to be evidence of past questionable behavior on Jane's part, there are also so many red flags in the behavior of the wannabe mob instigators--especially if you're at all familiar with manipulation techniques used by bullies, abusers, and conspiracy theorists--that I'm unable to put faith in anything they're putting forward as actually being the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but rather than serving ulterior motives of self-aggrandizement and bigotry. They've got me feeling sympathetic to Jane even if the accusations should be true.

 

Whether this is a good thing or not I don’t know but Jane was last seen on the forum on Thursday. Hopefully all what’s said above isn’t true and Jane will hopefully be back soon and more work done to mml because ultimately that’s what we all care about most on this thread!!!

 

What's even happening with the roomers about Jane I'm confused?

 

I really don't think Skyhook can afford to pay someone making the connection between players and developers reading the forums all day - for a 3rd party contractor this is very unusual. As DTG is the publisher, they're handling the feedback now in the new dedicated thread which seems more natural to me, albeit less "glittering".

And if there is communication, it's the devs dropping in, like Mike (Smokebox), Maik (TSG), Gary (HIS), Anthony (SearchlightSimulations) or cwf.green, just to name a few. No PR staff.

All this would probably have gone quiet if someone just did their work and stopped telling unbelievable "facts" about their life that make no sense if you're aware of gaming history - you have to expect feedback - and other forum members digging up the "amazing" personal stories about said person - that was the start of the derailment, and had nothing to do with MML at that point any more.

For me it was ultimately enough when I saw the livestream with Matt obviously being in a very uncomfortable position, a dilemma of loyalty, explaining the patch "miscommunication". And on top of all the myth about version checking bs that was spread by SHG, and the resulting confusion in here.

Branding the real bullies as victims has unfortunately become popular. See the Harkles.

No problem with people making mistakes, we all do, but blaming others and taking credit for other people's work just don't work for me, and I'll stand up against such.

 

This is all just in the interests of knowing whether we've been lead on a merry dance, or the things we have been told are a fabrication, I have no personal interest in Jane, I just want to know the truth.

Do we, or DTG, actually know what Jane's involvement was with Skyhook? No mention of Jane in any Skyhook social media, Skyhook, looking at their LinkedIn, tend to post when a new team member is onboarded, no mention of Jane.

We know that Jane is on compassionate leave, and hasn't been active on here since, but has been active on LinkedIn in that time, why not post here in that time and clear matters up?

Why are DTG, and or, Skyhook so quiet about it? We know that DTG have seemingly taken over the mantle on trying to fix MML, why has this been taken out of the hands of Skyhook.

Some answers would be nice, because the whole episode is really bizarre.

 

The new DTG MML feedback thread should be the answer. I understand they will not discuss personnel internals publicly for legal reasons - especially not contractors. That whole theatre is over as I see it. Skyhook can continue work on their new US content and I think we'll be seeing the needed fixes for MML they owe us, having Matt and Adam as a driving force to clean up the mess I hope.

I will buy MML then, that's for sure.

 

The sad thing about this is that the communication at the start of this thread was exactly what the community have been crying out for. It’s a shame it seems not to be real. There wouldn’t be half the complaints on this forum if we got genuine updates from DTG about what was going to be fixed and what wasn’t and when.

I can’t see this episode improving things. Everyone will be to scared to comment on anything.

I hope there is some statement about what’s actually going on at some point as at the moment I feel a little bitter toward Skyhook (and I didn’t buy MML due to the lack of clarity on the patch though I did have the misfortune to buy the 187).

Anyway, much as I wanted MML. I spent the money on completing JT’s version for TSC instead and have to say it’s really pretty nice.

 

Or more fitting, we've been taken for a ride! boom boom

I'll get my coat

 

TSC version is brilliant, especially using the AP stock.

And concerning the much wanted communication, I was under the impression that people were thinking MML would be sort of a "features-on-demand" DLC, leading to disappointments eventually. I prefer DTG's style then, just state what's being worked on when it's safe to reveal, and leave us happily speculating. Never complain, never explain

 

….and that could start a whole new argument (100% agree though ;-) )

 

I think everyone has said their bit now and as this thread was set up for Skyhook feedback, which has now been taken over by DTG with a new thread, surely this thread should be closed now ? Seems pointless to keep it going.


Sorry Torfmeister didn’t intend to quote you in this, my mistake.

 

I agree, time to close this thread and move on.

 

Agree, please JD or Jan, close this one.

 

Agree DTG JD . We need to close this thread out

 

Yeah this thread has unfortunately gone beyond what it was intended for. Let's hope MML gets the attention it deserves and moves forward.

 

I disagree, keep it open. Just because you don’t wish to discuss a topic doesn’t mean other people might not want to. I’m getting a bit fed up of people (non-moderators) thinking they can determine what other people can and can’t talk about. If you don’t wish to read it then don’t. Other people, however, do.

I, for one, would like at least some idea of what has gone on here (as far as is possible of course) and the other feedback thread is not the place for that. For what it’s worth I don’t blame DTG at all for what appears to have happened. If things have played out as I’m guessing a number of people clearly feared they could, it must be as awkward for DTG as anyone.

All I know is I bought a product off the back of promises made in this thread. Whilst some of those promises were delivered, many have not come to fruition and the given reasoning for that failure to deliver is, I believe, an untruth. DTG have been blamed, and I have criticised their QA team (incorrectly, and I apologise for doing so) when I’m now confident the blame lies at someone else’s door. Despite the warning signs I was keen to give the benefit of the doubt but given the way this has played out I’d like to have at least some idea of what has gone on. Fool me once etc.

One thing I think we can say with a degree of confidence is that the claim that this was a seed route for a wider network now has to be taken with a very significant pinch of salt indeed.

 

I'm happy for them to close it, once they clear up what's going on.

 

What do we know? Jane is in the role of CTO, a management role, and I don't believe claimed to even be doing any development. They created this feedback thread and have been very visible in it, even though public facing isn't part of their job. They have offered multiple daily updates and not been confrontational at all, even when confronted by that new, anonymous attack account. People were very happy about this communication and said so. Now soon after a period of quiet due to the only SHG person doing any communicating being safely out of the way on compassionate leave and unreachable, we suddenly have a torch-bearing mob targeting them, happily following the instigation.

But of course...

...blaming the victim, and...

..reactive abuse, the abuser claiming victimhood.

Like I said. And it's working. Whatever the truth about Jane's past, this is still appalling behavior.

 

You're entitled to have an opinion.

I was only trying to present proven facts, seeing where this is going, and was being shut down many times.

So what has that CTO chitty chat yielded? A half-arsed patch. Just like in previous roles.
We need people that work for their money and don't just talk, not the other way round.

Keep on believing what you want to believe. Support lazy greedy people that abuse "charity" and gender as their shield and forge digital articles, forgetting there's people that still have original magazine copies etc...

The people that know the person best are probably now Skyhook themselves, likely having taken action before this was uncovered here. Of course they won't talk as the person immediately threatens to sue (and has failed in the past). Nobody has time and nerves for that. Learn from it and get on with working.

Sometimes I felt as if I'd attacked a dearly loved one of yours. It might be interesting for oneself to find out why it happened someone entered your hearts so quickly - someone you've never met, just based on messages, and not even delivering what this thread was about? "Yes - he's beating me. But I love him sooo....."

I really fail to understand there is still people in here that praise the communication and miss it? So it's true that people WANT to be lied to? Well, you can stay in contact with the person, share private messages - no one is stopping you.

Always for the benefit of the doubt - until there is no doubt. You reap what you sow, it's that simple.

For me this thread is done. I don't give a penny about that person anymore.

 

Can I just ask, do you know something we don’t ? Or perhaps, could you explain why on this Skyhook feedback thread, NOBODY has come on here from SHG to offer any sort of response or answer to the questions that have been raised.
To paraphrase your quote “ if somebody tells you something that might not be true…..check em out!”

Just saying

 

Why are we talking about Jane's background like in this forum thread is call "midland mainline -skyhook feedback" some people in this thread probably don't have a clue what's going on and just want to talk about midland mainline couldn't yous just make a new thread about the behaviour allegations. And let the thread keep the name.
Edit: and if we are talking about the behaviour problems this would of been called Jane - skyhook behaviour problems but it's not?

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/midland-main-line-issues-feedback-thread.71347/#post-674141

 

There is a new thread for MML feedback see the link earlier in the posts. DTG have taken over from SHG.

 

So skyhook is a thing of the past now?

 

I wouldn't of thought so because Skyhook are doing a US pack I think. It was mentioned in the live stream.

 

No, there been no explanation but DTG is now taking all the feedback for MML hence the new thread. SHG have gone totally silent on the Forum sine Jane went on leave.

 

Why did Jane leave?
Edit: I heard that his wife is sick.

 

I didn’t say Jane had left, Jane is on leave.

 

Yes that's what I meant

 

So what's the actual reason why Jane want on leave is it true that his wife is sick because people are saying it's not?

 

I honestly wouldn't listen to most of the things being said on forum right now, I'd personally just wait for Jane or someone else from Dtg or Skyhook to confirm something for themselves.

 

Tbh that's what I'm gonna do because Dovetail haven't said anything and Jane's wife might actually be sick.

 

As of 4 days ago, according to Skyhook Games on linkedin, they are currently looking for a Technical Director.
Maybe this explains things?

 

All I will say is it seems a somewhat ignominious mess, which is a shame as the HST and 158 are both excellent traction units.

Leaving personalities out of it, think if there's lessons to be learned DTG need to keep a much tighter oversight with their third party associates.

'Nuff said, I think.

 

Be interesting on Monday to see what happens to this thread and if a statement follows regarding what's happened. JD mentioned DTG are investigating, be good to see the outcome.