Dovetail Games Bought By Focus Entertainment

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  1. March Hare

    March Hare Well-Known Member

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    I only meant advantageous in terms of making release schedule decisions, nothing more.

    I don't understand any doom and gloom either. I would sooner expect a positive outcome from the takeover.

    I'm in a position to know a fair bit about the games industry, albeit by proxy. This is why I'm critical but try to be fair, too, as I understand what development is like behind the scenes. This is why issues don't bother me per se; ignoring major issues like a dysfunctional save game feature for more than 6 years is definitely astonishing and unacceptable, however.

    I would hope Focus lead them out of whatever business practice has resulted in such things.
     
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  2. March Hare

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    I have to say, though, pinxtonpaws that sometimes publishers can sabotage projects. I know of a game port that was entirely scrapped because of the publisher refusing to allow the dev team to use a tool they'd created to intelligently scale assets for optimisation reasons. The publisher wouldn't allow it because their precious characters had to have the exact same level of detail on all platforms, which meant that it couldn't possibly run on one particular platform that had already been announced in the gaming press.

    I've seen articles about this game's "mysterious disappearance" after it was announced. I know exactly why it disappeared, and it's just silly and was completely unavoidable. That kind of thing can shut down a studio from financial loss (I know of that happening too).
     
  3. pinxtonpaws

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    Yeah, I guess they are fair comments.
    I'm a console gamer so all I really know is "we get what we get". :|
     
  4. mariussoare_84

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    Isn´t this the difference between amateurs and professionals?
    A professional also has a responsibility to bare and can not simply say ¨Oops, my bad!¨. Otherwise, they need to look at a different sector entirely.

    Quality is on the plate of only a very small amount of game developers and publishers (maybe a handful?). Profit is what drives the majority of them and DTG is in this group. And before I get jumped with remarks such as ¨This is not a charity¨, look at how much money an actual quality product makes when people and publications praise it left and right and the word about it spreads everywhere.
    The conclusion is that who runs after money will not make as much as expected after all.

    SCS Software releases one map update per year for ETS2. Their reviews are always very positive. According to Wikipedia, total revenue in 2019 was around 25 million euros.
    Quality just makes more. A real professional would have learned this by now, but not DTG...
     
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  5. MLP Derick

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    Adam has a new job at Skyhook now
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  6. hyperlord

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    MLP Derick Those are good (awesome!) news and automaticly I'm interested in the works of Skyhook Games again :)
     
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  7. stujoy

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    Well done Skyhook and well done Adam.
     
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    Congratulations, Adam!
    That’s a very interesting move indeed. I’m assuming Skyhook offered him a very high-level job with lots of responsibilities for their TSW content to convince him to move away from DTG after all these years. Together with Jane, who also seems to be very committed to upholding quality standards and listening to the community, this makes me very confident for the future of Skyhook’s TSW DLCs! :D
     
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    We can't know, but it would be unsurprising if Adam leapt at the opportunity to work with the legendary Jane Whitaker
     
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    Content Manager
     
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    The massive fiscal success of EA suggests it isn't all that necessary.
     
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  12. tallboy7648

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    Well this is something that DTG doesn't do. They cut coners for the sake of profit and sacrifice quality in the process in many previous dlc's. Although considering that many will still buy the product regardless means they don't have much incentive to change no matter how much criticism they get
     
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  13. trainsimplayer

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    Considering EA have a virtual monopoly on NFL, Football, PGA and NHL games, and also produced classic games considered to be the best in their genre (SKATE, Star Wars Battlefront (new one), and much more, I'd say EA get away with a lot more because they make a lot of, well, good stuff.
    Even when it's broken and a mess, like FIFA is, it's fun. Exceptions apply to games that are literally unplayable, like Jedi Survivor on PC.

    Their reputation is mostly slammed not on product quality, but because of their eye for money. The biggest complaint about the EA Sports Franchises is that it's "the same thing every year", not that they're bad, or low-quality. Most issues end up ironed out within a few months at worst. Although, in a year-long lifecycle that is fairly bad.
     
  14. matt245621#2075

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    Well EAFC is not the same new name new features and much more.
    Now yes when it was called FIFA it was the same every year but £99.99 for the ultimate addition is asking for a bit to much. (Sorry for going off topic)
     
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    :o!!

    EA's version of Battlefront was widely despised (3.6 on Metacritic), released chock-full of bugs, together with wonky controls and uninspired content. so that even the mediocre SWBF2 was considered a huge improvement-.... and tumorous with loot boxes, locked heroes and other pay-to-win microtransaction scams. EA became widely hated for its industry-leading chiseling and moneygrubbing- a practice it extended to its subsidiary studios' franchises, like Mass Effect. (There's a whole book in how EA wrecked Bioware....)

    No, nobody loves or respects EA. They define the software company that regards its customers as nothing but cattle to be milked- but can get away with it because of their license monopolies.
     
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  16. pessitheghost

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    EA is way worse than DTG, if EA made train sim, you’d have to pay to be able to use the livery designer
     
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    You'd have to pay to use the horn.
     
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  18. tft#6439

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    And pay like 10k to get past the main menu!
     
  19. pessitheghost

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    You’d have to pay to leave the cab lmao
     
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  20. tft#6439

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    $100 Dollars To Use Acceleration DLC Player: Ok fine I guess. $1,000,000 Dollars To Use Main Menu Player: UGHHHH
     
  21. trainsimplayer

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    I was referring to SWBF2, I assumed we as a species had elected to forget BF1.
    SWBF2 is really well-recieved among, well, most people who've played it. My comment's more applicable to that.

    I agree that EA are just hungry for money but they're hardly rolling out "hot garbage", as the Americans would say, with every release.
     
  22. trainsimplayer

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    Yeah, sure...
     
  23. pessitheghost

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    Trust me they are, FIFA 23 was an absolute scripted peice of junk, BF 2042 wasn’t too good, NFS hasn’t been good since hot pursuit, let me not even mention anthem
     
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    FIFA 23, scripted?
    Lol...
    Someone lost a few too many games of Fut Champs, me thinks.
     
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    There’s been way too much evidence to prove scripting, and it’s been a problem for years
     
  26. FallenAngel00me

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    Scripting is massively prevalent against the AI in career mode though. Don't play the pay to win FUT
     
  27. airbusfan1330

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    Well honestly BF2042 has gotten better upload_2023-7-19_0-5-12.png
    No idea why season 4 is stilll on the thumbnail for me
     
  28. airbusfan1330

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    And NFS can be fun sometimes upload_2023-7-19_0-6-52.png
     
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  29. SteveRail

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    Might get a career mode though!! : )
     
  30. trainsimplayer

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    EA have managed to prove at every turn that there is no scripting in the game at all. The only thing scripted to happen would be the random things like injuries and the harshness of a referee. Most people who claim 'scripting' are just terrible at the game, looking through all previous claims.

    FUT isn't pay-to-win, either. It's incredibly easy, compared to other years, to simply not buy FIFA Points, and just work up coins. I've bought one set of FIFA Points in FIFA 23 and that's because I had some money left in my Xbox account and I wanted to use it on something.

    It's just so easy to make claims against EA because they're usually quite dodgy, but it would be best to use the stuff that is actually still true, as your arguement.
     
  31. pessitheghost

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    EA is extremely pay to win, what they do is just downright predatory, and manipulative with ultimate team, in fact there has been quite a few countries that have outright laid UT out as gambling, literally EA is the definition of corporate greed in the Gaming community, they are like the apple of gaming, EA are probably the biggest cancer in gaming. There are just too many examples of poorly done EA games, their hatred is justified, not only because of fifa, and you are very funny if you don’t think fifa is scripted, because there is too much evidence out there to prove other wise, they script the game to keep a player interested, you’d know scripting exists if you played career mode
     
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  32. trainsimplayer

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    ^^ Div 9 detected
    (Nothing wrong with scripting a single-player mode, btw. That's how story modes work, so why should it be different here)
     
  33. OldVern

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    I nearly always found sports games frustrating. In the case of management games, no matter how good a team you set up you never end up winning. Had that with both soccer and baseball management titles. In the end I just give up and removed the games. Even the great Championship Manager went downhill, though I don’t think that has been soiled by EA.
     
  34. tft#6439

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    Have you ever played an EA game. Almost everything is DLC!
     
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    I managed to get Cardiff City promoted to the premiership on Football manager and kept them up for a season, just about! I had a great save on FM2009 the first with a 3D match engine with Arsenal, lasted for several seasons although didn't win that much. It was great seeing the regen players grow.

    Apart from a few of editions of Fifa I haven't really owned many EA games, they seemed okay to me though. Although not being a huge gamer I don't really follow who has a good reputation or not and frankly I don't care that much.
     
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    Soccer management for me peaked in 1999 with Fifa Soccer Manager (ironically an early EA title) when I managed to get Darlington briefly to the Premier League. But just like the golf games where it seemed fixed you could never better Tiger Woods in a match, football went down the same path.

    Anyhow a bit OT I know, but given DTG diversified into fishing and that board game I had never heard of, maybe they should try their hands at sports management!
     
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    Championship (now Football) Manager is still really good. A lot more depth to it (which can be an issue for new/long-absent players) but sometimes can feel dull. The Console edition is a great addition, and FM25 will see the game jump over to Unity with a brand new match engine. We might also be able to transfer saves from one game to the next as of FM24, so it's now looking really good going forward.

    I have. Hardly need the DLCs, in most cases, to play the games, though.
     
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  38. tft#6439

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    I played EA Sports golf but that's about it. Don't see the point in games that can hardly be played without dlc.
     
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    Ouch £44.99 though. I notice previous versions no longer on sale either.
    However wishlisted for the Autumn sale.
     
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    EA: £100 per dlc please! ;)
     
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    An EA train sim where you only get the default liveries for each locomotive and rolling stock, and you have to gamble on loot boxes to try and get special or alternative ones thru loot boxes that you can only buy with in game currency that you can only buy or by grinding out a ton of hours doing the same route over and over again.
     
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  42. trainsimplayer

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    Joke's worn off now.

    Didn't realise previous versions were taken down with FM. I just use Game Pass for it as of now, just buying FIFA instead (no chance am I buying both, not in this economy!).
    Definitely worth picking up in a sale, though.
     
  43. tft#6439

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    Ok, just did it on the off chance someone found it funny that's all
     
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    I’m actually in division 3, but okay mate. All I’m gonna say is believe what you believe, but there’s substantial proof to show EA scripts online modes as well
     
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    And yet when EA were about to be taken to court (yes, court) they managed to prove that the game isn't rigged - providing technical details in doing so - and had the lawsuit stopped.
    https://www.eurogamer.net/fifa-scri...mation-and-access-to-speak-with-our-engineers

    So, yeah. Wrong answer, try again.
     
  46. atomicdanny

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    I mean Championship Manager pretty much died after the original people started making Football Manager :).

    As for Fifa though (most recent via games pass :) ) - I've pretty much played every version since Fifa International Soccer, but haven't seen the scripting that people keep saying - I mean of course i get frustrated when I have a game where i have 50 shots on target, score one then in the 90th minute the AI get's it's only shot on goal and scores! :D
     
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  47. FallenAngel00me

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    Game publisher says something negative isn't in the game.

    Just play career mode on a difficulty higher than semi pro. Win a few games and see how you player with a short pass stat of 96 can't pass 5 feet to a teammate...
     
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    They proved it wasn't in Online and that I believe. They rely on people buying better players and scripting would harm that as people won't pay for unfairness in general.

    Career mode has scripting, they haven't disproved it. Next you'll say mario kart doesn't have rubber banding because Nintendo don't outright disclaim it
     
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    Career Mode is an offline mode, that is what the grand total of nobody cares about when it comes to scripting.
     
  50. FallenAngel00me

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    Career mode is more played than you think lol
     

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