Dovetail Direct Reaction / Tsw4 Thread

No.
Does Gen 8 still play a part in TSW?
Yes.

See the point?

 

I'm pretty positive that's where it used to go back and forth too. At least when I was out there a decade ago. Obviously that may have changed.

 

No I don't see the point as gen 8 has nothing to do with missing Rush hour passengers on gen 9.

 

It kind of does...

 

If it does it seems they were way over their head. No?

 

It still plays well on Gen 9 and (most) PCs, even if it took an initial update to fix it. For all the talk of "Gen 8 holding us back", then to suggest it's Dovetails fault when a route doesn't work very well on Gen 8...

Lol.

As I said, most people hold BML in a high regard, despite the initial issues.

 

Wait? What? I've never said gen 8 is holding back TSW. I've always said it's DTG's fault and I'll keep repeating that. When I was still playing on gen 8 the game already looked outdated for a gen 8 game. If the game had looked like a gen 8 game on gen 8 consoles I could see the argument for gen 8 holding the game back today but it was not even a gen 8 game on gen 8 consoles. I even don't have a gen 8,5 experience on gen 9.

 

All I see here is "It's DTG's fault that they tried to give us a DLC that pushed the boundaries and some devices can't handle it."

Unless you're on a Series S (which has less power than an Xbox One X), your experience should be that of a Gen 9 console. A bit of lag here and there doesn't disqualify it from that status.
If it's not giving you that experience, it's probably the console.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Language]

 

Even the series S has no trouble with LBN, very little lag at all actually. For the vast majority of players LBN is a very good route.

 

Again this discussion. Yes I know; we need quantum computers. All problems with TSW will be solved once we buy quantum computers. It's our fault for not having quantum computers. You do know that is a carrot on a stick?

I'm on PS5 btw

 

Lmao, I'd settle for a carrot on a stick instead of a £100,00,00,000,000 computer

 

Or DTG could've just made the pacific surfliner....

 

Exactly- all these weird starting points never get fleshed out further ESPECIALLY in the North American content....don't build a "gateway" to content people want....build the stuff they want!!

Pacific Surfliner doesn't excite me personally but it is highly popular and suggested often...

 

I really don't get why there are those that continue to use Gen 8 as a scapegoat for not getting what they want. It isn't Gen 8 that is the problem, it's DTG

 

DTG don't listen to the community. They just do whatever they want because they have a monopoly and people will just buy it regardless. They don't listen to the community. Someone asks for a london overground route, but gets a 13 mile repetitive route that will get boring very quickly. Someone askes for the New Haven Line but we get a route with that sees little passenger services and freight in real life.

But I guess that's what happens when there is no competition

 

the timetable is the only good factor of the route

 

Only reason I can see them not doing it 1st is because they would have to build new stock for BOTH Metrolink and Amtraks Pacific Surfliner, which they don't seem to be keen on doing unless they filled Metrolinks stock with a reused MP36 and Bombardier Bi Levels.

 

Would be nice to have the F125 besides the MP36.

 

BML works fine on Gen 9 for the vast majority.
Considering it's the exact same hardware for everyone, I don't think it's DTG's fault.

Fair enough, I just thought the Series S would struggle due to its limited capabilities. I guess that reinforces my point a bit.

 

What the US player fan base knows is we get 1. Let me said that again 1 passenger route a year.
we are still suffering from that initial LIRR which is one of the worst representation of any route in the game. The we thought DTG learned from that mistake.Well, and there was NYT, which let me remind everyone with still haven’t received the final product yet. My only hope is that what we are getting announced on Tuesday, let’s hope it counts as a freight route. We can at least hope to get a real passenger representation of US route in February of 2024.

 

If it is Antelope Valley, and it was done correctly, that would be a "real passenger representation."
I don't see how this specific route being freight would do anything to change DTG's US Passenger record.

 

I’m not sure you can’t really mess a route that only offers 22 passenger service a day. If you do you have bigger problems.
I don’t even know if this route can be considered freight route. Is just very odd choice. But anyways it is what it is. Just looking forward to finally get a “real representation” of he NYT route. Unfortunately will probably only be available for TSW4…. Which means will need to upgrade. At the end you have to pay to play.

 

If the US route is really this then wow.

What are you thinking DTG?

A Metro-North, LIRR, NJT or MBTA route would have been way better for a passenger route.

And I don't care much for Steam I've tried both SOS and Peak Forest and i rarely touch them. It just doesn't interest me. So yawn Flying Scotsman.

Hopefully there is much more than this or I may wait for a sale this time around and just buy the base.

 

It makes sense to make a route right away after getting a brand new license. Wmt, northern to name some examples. If the theme is to do with slow and scenic routes this time around, then it makes sense too.

 

Hadn't we established that the route is still not fixed? How can it be fine if it still needs fixes? DTG even admitted those fixes won't come anytime soon. I only say a project went over their head because they themselves admitted it. BML was supposed to be a Rush Hour route. Still it will be lacking Rush Hour passengers when TSW4 launches. I don't understand how you can blame that on users hardware. It's not the players that announced Rush Hour. DTG knew what the capability was of all the console hardware they were releasing BML on.

 

I mean in all fairness a live service game does make sense for this type of game whether that would be popular or not that's a whole other thing that I don't want to get into because that's opening up a can of worms that I'm just not willing to do however thinking about it and thinking about the style of game a subscription-based life service train game makes absolute sense business-wise whether it will work in practice that's another thing

 

I count subscription based gaming as the spawn of the devil. I refuse to buy into N3V’s model for Trainz, which currently given the fact their forum has been offline for over a week indicates things may not be going that well for them. The day TSW and/or TSC moved to that type of service then you would hear the door closing and dust settling behind me.
Sell me a good, well reasonable, core game.
Sell me good, well reasonable, DLC.
And I’ll keep coming back for more.
Tell me it’s like Netflix and if I cancel it’s all gone, forget it.

 

How does it make sense? It's a niche market so you will be looking at very high monthly fees. TSW are impulse buys. You know something is going to be messed up but you buy it anyway. With a live service everything needs to be perfect or people just quit and probably never come back.

 

It makes sense to make a route right away after getting a brand new license. Wmt, northern to name some examples. If the theme is to do with slow and scenic routes this time around, then it makes sense too.[/QUOTE]

I mean fair enough you're not wrong I'm just saying from a business perspective for them it makes sense not saying it necessarily makes sense for the consumer don't get me wrong I completely agree with you however if you look at it from a business perspective I can understand why they'd want to go that route

 

From a concealer perspective I absolutely agree

 

It’s all very exciting this. It’s the best time of year to be on the forum. More ups and downs than any mountain route. More twists and turns than any valley route. More whining than any traction motor. More leaks than a vacuum brake pipe. More speculation than the early days of US railroads. More grumpy faces than a rush hour tube train. More joy than a trainspotter seeing a train go past and getting a few tones from the driver. What a time to be alive.

 

The F125 would be a waste. Ideally new locomotives should be able to be used on as many different routes as possible, but Metrolink is the only railroad to ever use F125s.

 

I would put my money of a reuse asset.

 

Another couple of predictions from my side:

11) Public editor coming, or at least an advanced scenario editor
12) If we get a solely German route in addition to the Austrian route, my prediction is a modernised version of Mainz-Koblenz.

 

Having a new, and a unique train would be far from a waste. That's much better for the consumer, than buying the same train with a different paint job repeatedly.

 

One thing a commenter wrote on something of mine that I thought was an interesting idea was that these yearly releases are potentially to skirt around paying excess fees to Epic Games.
It certainly seems like a reasonable explanation, interested to hear thoughts.

 

Aha! PC is holding us back!

Why should we console players have to pay for excessive fees made by PC users?

Platform war in 1, 2, 3 Fight!

 

I don’t think the console players have anything to worry about for years to come. By the choice of routes that we know so far were chosen. Don’t see anything breakthrough that would say other wise so far.

 

okay
my first argument is: mods
we PC users can freely use mods while console players are limited to "official" stuff only
second argument: we can control the vehicles way better with a keyboard unlike console players who can't even use the lower horn or wipers, pantographs, everything

 

It was sarcasm. There was not supposed to follow a platform war.

I should have known better. My fault. I apologise. Platform war is canceled

 

yes I know it was sarcasm but aw man

 

We can access that its called plug a keyoard into you console.

Just saying its an easy fix.

 

damn it I gotta try that actually because I still have TSW2 on my PlayStation lmao

 

Do you have any sort of source? Any more detailed explanation? What fees would these be, and why would Epic charge them?

 

The obvious reason for a yearly release is that some consoles do not support updating DLC packages (it was PS4 if my memory does not fail me). So, any update to DLC has to go into the main game package (that can be updated) making it grow for everyone, doesn't matter if you have the specific DLC or not.

A new release allows to update all the DLC packages, since those are considered new DLCs.

 

But why would the same then apply to PC and gen 9 consoles? It's because of the PC files we know about the new version.

 

Because you couldn't just push an entirely new game to one platform and not offer it to the others...

 

BTW- I will do these "What to expect" posts for all other routes when they are leaked/revealled.

 

But they could still have decided to sell a bundle like Rush Hour? I don't really get the reasoning that gen 8 is now also to blame that it's a (not officially announced yet) paid game update.