Tsw 4 *spoiler Alert You Have Been Warned*.

The route is set in the modern era within the last few years, it's not a classic route, you are just being pedantic with the years the traction on the route was built to fit your i don't want anything from the 70s, 80s or early 90s narrative........

 

Nothing new found other than what we already know. I think even with the original article leak, and url tier one unlocks leaks that came a few days ago, DTG have done a good job with the UK and German content as still all speculations with no hard evidence. I’m excited about most of the up coming announcements. I’m disappointed in the possible US content ,but I’m excited to hopefully get the NYT updated timetable. Even if is going to cost me to upgrade to TSW4. Looking forward to Tuesday

 

I am surprised too how "well" it's kept secret compared to last time, but JD is on holiday, so maybe that's why :P

Other than that, what we know already has me excited. And I am even more interested in the "selling feature" of TSW4.

As others have stated, the routes coming with TSW3 and 4 are nothing that couldn't have been done with TSW2 too, but, I have to say, TSW3's menu, Training Center, new weather and lightning, as well as the snow buildup are features I would hate to miss going forward. And the new level of detail we got with the TSW3 route releases are also a nice jump upwards. So I am looking forward what TSW4 has to offer to mix up and enhance what we got before.

 

Considering the 158, and the HST are two of my favourite trains (literally look at my profile picture), that is just completely false.
The people being pedantic are the ones trying to say there is anything "modern" about using the 158 and HST. The year the route is set is much less important than the traction on said route. The trains themselves are what determine the "era", and there is nothing modern about a 158, or a HST. The only modern thing on the MML route are peoples clothing, and the PIS boards.
Or would you class Diesel Legends of the Great Western as a modern pack? Or the West Somerset Railway pack?

 

I'm lost, where I cand find those?

 

MML is modern era as that's the year the route was set in. The traction is not what determines if a route is modern or not, the setting as a whole is. HSTs and 158s ran on the MML in real life in recent years, the stations and scenery are based on current era so therefore it counts as a modern release, there's absolutely nothing pedantic about it. Anyway, that's the last I'm saying on the subject of MML.

Diesel Legends is a strange one, it was made as a gameplay pack for those who don't want to use scenario planner and just want to thrash BR Blue diesels between Paddington and Reading, it wasn't made with accuracy in mind. It's a fun little pack but I think would've really stood out on it's own if the GWE route had been remade and slightly extended in the appropriate era of the stock.

West Somerset is preservation era, so yeah it would classify it as a modern route regardless of the stock. If WSR was to be historical, you'd have GWR steam or BR steam/diesel locomotives running up and down it. I'd also imagine the 25mph speed limit would've been slightly higher along the route when it was a working railway too.

 

I mean. The class 158 went though many livery changed when scotrail had them so it kinda does matter.

 

Most of the time you already arrived at your next stop before your reached 200km/h

 

Well, I completely disagree. When people say they want modern routes, the majority of the time they are wanting modern/new traction. A train from 1976 is neither.

And if you're seriously going to call West Somerset a modern route purely because of the time it's set while ignoring all of the traction, there's really nothing more to talk with you about the topic. That is the definition of pedantic.

I guess DTG can just say future routes are set in 1975, slap on some modern trains like the class 700, and the Class 800 and that will make it a BR era route then.

 

When its set has so little to do with what people are concerned about. From some of the above replies, they are all focussed on traction, not scenery - EMUs are apparently "soulless", "too clean" and boring in general. Unless you want to see everyone in period clothing and are desperate for some semaphores and lack of OHLE (which could be easily made in a different version) then the vast majority of routes could be driven just fine with old stock for those that enjoy it, while allowing everyone else to play as normal. So when it is "set" is mostly irrelevant compared to the driving feel that some people would like to have on beloved older stock. Keep things era-wise as they are and then if needed, release extra heritage stock for those that want it, with the most obvious signs of modernity along a route removed. A lot of the scenery is nearly identical to the past anyway.

 

There is not one modern day route in TSW. Not one! Every route is set before 2007. 2007, the year the iPhone was launched and people stopped staring in front of them on platforms and started looking at their phones. Show me one route that is set in modern day!

 

Edinburgh to Glasgow. The class 385's were brought into service in 2019 and have been running ever since apart from a small issue with the windscreen that cause scotrail to rent some "happy trains".

SEHSE: it's modern. Like it can't get much more modern.
LBN: modern

 

Probably all set in 2006 as I can't see any passenger on the platforms or trains using smartphones

 

I don't know how old you are, but the definition of " modern " does depend on one's age.

For me, anything after about 1990 is modern.
To someone younger, modern might be something quite different.

 

For me everything after 2010 is modern. Everything before the seventies is historic. Everything in between is retro

 

Anything within 10-15 years of the present date I consider modern. So we have very, very few modern trains in TSW to be honest.

 

Let's say you take a historical train ride on a steam engine, on a route build in the 2000's, are you living in the 50s then or riding a historical route ?

If everything expect the trains is "modern", why should the route be anything but modern ? And the trains aren't that old either, even if they are from the 70s, they are still updated, in different livery, or have other, additionally installed features or changes over the time that differs from their original, "classic" counterpart.

It doesn't matter if the 90s, 2000s or 2010s are modern for someone, just as it doesnt matter if "historical" or "classic" is 50s or 60s or even 70s for some people.

Some people want routes that are close to what they are today, some people want a route from a time long gone.

And there is nothing bad about wanting either, or requesting DTG to do either.

 

Just need to replace your seats with deckchairs and get a stale piss magic tree and you'll really get the essence of electrostar!

 

I'm saying it's not a modern route. A heritage railway with a steam engine, or an early BR diesel is clearly not a modern experience. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

 

I would prefer they make less of those. How many times haven't I looked at a new train and thought "they sold me a pimped version of a train I already own"

 

So if I put Stephenson's rocket on the HS1 it's modern or not ?

 

Some of the people in this thread would call that modern yes lol.

 

Feed us more spoilers before this turns into a generation war

 

I call this a dangerous railtour

 

You whippersnappers... I want Locomotion on TVL!

Locomotion No. 1 - Wikipedia

 

In that case, it would work the other way around for you too, so if DTG would release a route set in the 80s, and release a gameplay pack with trains from the 2010s, you'd be basically playing a modern experience and therefore everyone would be happy, if I understand you correctly.

 

Honestly that would probably be a fun drive. Certainly something different.

 

If the pack also gives the passengers smartphones? Why not?

 

DTG I don't say no to a really old route

 

That wouldn't bother me all that much no, apart from they'd need to add in some OHLE for the Pantograph trains. But if it's set in the south east with third rail, wouldn't be that big a deal.

 

And if they already change the scenery for the trains to run, where is the issue in just having the route set in the time the locos you're driving are set in ?

And in reverse, where is the issue wanting the route to be set in the time the historical trains are set in ?

For some people it's not just the traction, that determines the era of the experience, it's also the track and the trackside, the buildings that aren't there anymore, the clothes of the people, the PIS, the sounds that come from the surroundings around the track, the cars on the road, and every other detail, like the liverys of the train.

 

Like the Diolkos?

 

for different time periods there needs to be the route done twice in my opinion for that to be a thing, if wouldn’t be good having another Diesel legends scenario, it’s a complete difference in my view when theirs time period scenery, especially with stuff from decades ago.

 

Πάρε τα λεφτά μου ! (Take my money in Greek)

 

My issue isn't people wanting what routes they do. It's the condescending attitude some people on this forum take to anything that is younger than about 50 years in some cases. They like to paint everything as modern, saying all content released is modern, when that is simply not the case.
For actual modern route/traction combinations, we really don't actually have all that much. I drive trains from all periods, I love modern, I love steam, I love the HST, the 158, the Class 08, even the Class 37 when I have the audio off to avoid headaches. But it's always modern stuff that's getting dumped on by a very specific group of forum users that gets really, really old.

Of course I prefer everything time wise being accurate, but someone further up the thread tried to completely dismiss West Somerset Railway as a "modern" route. Which is frankly just bad faith at that point.

At the end of the day, DTG have their LAMP process for determining what routes they produce. This factors in how well things sell. The routes they keep choosing speak for themselves.

 

I'd take it!! On the proviso they get the correct horses......can see it now, hauling ships with Shetlands!

 

I agree that the opinions about modern stuff could be voiced a bit nicer, the attitude in which things are requested or are asked for varies hugely in some cases, for the worse in some extreme cases.

And I agree, completely modern, fresh new content where everything, route and traction included, is purely modern, is rare. But that's just the case it is like in real life.

And all that people see is that it's yet another route set post 2010, no matter the traction. And sometimes, I agree.

I for example would absolutely thrive in some passenger american route set in the 80s or 70s, with F7s, EMD's, Alcos, switchers in every yard and other traction you don't see anymore, oily wooden ties (like on TVL and NTP), passengers that look time-appropriate, stations that don't exist like that anymore and the classic muscle cars on the road. Driving the Santa Fe F7 down Cajon with the ES44C4's next to me just doesn't give me the same experience.

And if then someone comes around the corner and says, it's basically the same experience, I couldn't disagree more.

 

A modern route is something that is set around present day regardless of how old the traction is

 

Hard Disagree. Any heritage railway is not a modern route.

 

Modern is not an era it is a relative measure to the current day.

The fun part is that 10 years feels like a shorter and shorter period of time as you get older, so older people feel something is modern when younger people feel it is not. If I think of something from the 50s which was 20-25 years before my birth it seems prehistoric to me, and always has. But 90s is the same distance from today so...it is better to just talk about time periods rather than relative measures.

 

I’m sorry, but most of the routes ARE. The Northeast Corridor (Both Trenton and Boston) are definitely in the 2020s (Things like how the Penn station open air pit was in TSC. In TSW it’s covered up like it was a few years ago in real life…

 

So we need to know the age of the oldest player player of TSW and everything before their birth will be called the TSW Historic era. Next we need to know the age of the youngest TSW player. Everything before their birth will be called the TSW Vintage era

 

For me in terms of modern and not it’s something like;

2023-2012ish = Modern (some new stock and some 1980s 90s still operates)
2012ish-2000 = Early Modern/Somewhat modern but not present (usually stock from 1990s or before)
1999-1990 = 90s (Br gone incomes the replacement)
1989-1980 = 80s (Mid-Late Br)
1979-1970 = 70s (Mid Br)
1969-1960 = 60s (Early BR end of steam)
Pre & including 1959 = Various stages of Steam and early inventions.

 

I don't think there will be a new German route - 4 would be a lot for one release. Maybe the 'German edition' could just add a pre-existing German route (my best guess would be either Nahverkehr Dresden or Linke Rheinstrecke).

 

Think about it like this: If I go to a heritage railway day out, and everyone is dressed up in period costume and the signals, stations and trains etc are all preserved nicely and someone took a photo of us - who's to say that it is modern or if we're in the past? If you can't tell from a photo (minus tiny details), then it's not really modern anymore, regardless of if this happened last weekend or not.

 

"Old timey" ended with the year of my birth. This isn't just subjective, either: before I was born the world had no colors, it was all monochrome black and white. There is ample TV and film evidence of this.

 

With a cellphone, or a Speed Graphic?

 

I don't think you understand where I'm coming from, and then just labelling me as pedantic when that couldn't be any further from the truth.

I was born in the 90's, my personal definition of modern is anything 2000 onward. I set my judgement of whether a route is historic or modern based on that, doesn't matter what stock is in the route, but what year the DLC as a whole is set in. MML is set in recent years, therefore it is modern era. That's the year it is set in.

West Somerset Railway is set in preservation, preservation is current day, therefore it is considered modern despite we drive BR Diesels on it (and hopefully steam if it gets a future timetable update). All heritage railways are considered modern era because it's the year that route is based that determines what is modern and what is historical. In order for them to be historical, you'd have them set in something like the GWR steam era.

I'm not saying the traction is irrelevant but it does not define the era of the content. If they did the Riviera line in the 1950's, I'd fully expect them to add GWR Pannier Tanks, Granges, Castles, etc. Same goes for MML, it's set in the modern era and it has HSTs and 158s because that is what ran along the line at the time and both rolling stock are still current, neither have been withdrawn from mainline service as of yet.

One final thing, I'm absolutely not condescending towards modern era content. I'm a player that owns every piece of DLC in TSW and enjoys every second of my experience, I've played nothing but SEHS for the last week. I do have my preferences, which is historical period routes and traction, especially steam.

My point at the start of this was that DTG should have an equal amount of Steam/Diesel/Modern releases on their schedule and bring them out in a rotation.

Anyway, I have a paused service to get back to and my passengers are getting antsy so I'm getting back to my 700. Have a good one!

 

The condescending part wasn't aimed towards you sorry, that was referring to other people that frequently belittle and talk down about modern traction.
I was also born in the early 90s, I just have a different definition of what modern constitutes.

I'll agree to disagree on the heritage routes. The year something is set is just an arbitrary date, the actual locomotives, and the scenery are what defines somethings era for me, with a heavy emphasis on the locomotives.