Tsw 4 *spoiler Alert You Have Been Warned*.

No way you're that exited for a stream lmao!
It'll be interesting to see what is revealed, but I don't expect to be too shocked. I'm already disappointed by Antelope- so the bar's quite low already.

 

What if the leaks are a trap made by DTG

 

That would be hilarious. I doubt that it’s the case, but if it is then fair play to them.

 

I’ve been reading through and I am very interested to see what comes from this. I am very very interested by the ECML speculations. Personally I can see the route being Kings Cross to Peterborough purely due to the amount of layers there can be for services and how busy it will be. The rolling stock I can see being started with will probably be Class 800, Class 387/1, and because it says “flying scotsman centenary” in the spoiler, I can potentially see that being Scrapheap Challenge as the other loco addition. I will laugh a lot if that turns out to be a 91 in the LNER Scotsman livery!
I can then see them having a future DLC of Class 717s.
Layers can be Class 66 for freight and Class 700 for Thameslink services from STP and Kings Cross.

I am very much looking forward to the Austrian and German route. I am curious to see what they will be. Any speculations on the German route?

 

Not really. Except that someone described it in the German Railsim Forum Rostock. I think something like Schwarzwaldbahn or something, definitely something from Baden Württemberg because this big federal state is still missing

 

Better get yourself down to Tesco's then!

 

Hopefully for ECML Route London to Peterborough with Hereford Loop, Cambridge Branch far up Cambridge North Station, Thameslink Core from Finsbury Park to Blackfairs/London Bridge.

Included (hopeing be True

LNER Class 800/801
LNER Intercity 125 HST
Class 387 with GN also ex c2c/gwr sets included
Class 365
Class 313 GN
Class 700/1

Class 66 in first GB


Layers
Class 700/0
Class 387 Gatwick express

 

Since you're here - maybe there is some good news about optimization and reduction of stutters?

 

wellllll, we could also just have the stream today? At 18:00 UTC?

 

Yeah! A Pre Direct, next big thing in the gaming industry. I heard Rockstar is planning a Pre Direct before they do the GTA VI Direct

 

There's probably going to be a hundred threads all complaining/getting angry about the same thing during the direct stream and right after.

 

Watch it not be ECML at all and instead be the Bluebell railway. Would be disappointing but also hilarious at the same time.

 

Stourbridge branch

 

You would be guaranteed a new train (if you can call them that) with it!

 

I can see it not being the ECML, I think some might be setting themselves up for a disappointment. Whilst I would love to see the ECML there are plenty of other routes I would be just as happy to see and I don't think we should assume that only ECML is acceptable.

 

But the whole Flying Scotsman thingie points to ECML? No?

 

And that folks is a mic drop

 

I would say in preservation it is more connected to routes like the S&C than ECML, it has pretty much travelled to all corners of the UK rail network in preservation.

I am not saying I don't think it will be ECML but I am only 50:50. I don't really want the S&C either as it will probably start at Settle which would be similar PFR starting at Ambergate.

 

Yeah I really think people should get the idea of ECML out of their heads just in case it isn't happening

 

Still think Newcastle to Carlisle could be a possibility and at 60 miles just about doable as a TSW “primo” release.

 

They’d base it back in 1973 and still put a 101 on it ahhahahaha

 

I was honestly lost for words after reading 23 pages of messages for a while. I didn't know what to add to this discussion other than I would’ve gone with adding the WCML first tbh. But since it's the ECML that’s more than likely coming if there's any train i’d want to see it would have to be the class 91. 800s are great but I feel like we need some middle ground between older trains and modern trains. I think the 91 can give those people who like older big Br trains with ‘souls’ and people like me who prefer more modern electrics something we can both enjoy?

I also think it would be great if dtg could give us a route that featured both diesel and electrics. For example a route set in the modernisation period of Br, a mix of 1 generation electrics like 85s & 86s and diesel electrics like the 47s etc.

 

I think the 91 makes better sense as a DLC to be honest.

 

Potentially Stuttgart to Mannheim then.
If it was in Rostock I do hope maybe a DSB IC3 could be added

 

Good shout, and one I would be very happy with, I don't think it has featured in a sim yet which surprises me.

 

Really? To me in the same way the 390 is the flagship train of the wcml the 91 was the flagship of the ecml. Besides a 43 or an 800 I don’t know of any other high speed train that would fit on a modern-ish east coast route.

 

Well it wouldn't be without precedent! I recall seeing one of Tyseleys class 101 3 car sets on the branch in the mid 80's, presumably they didn't have a spare bubble car. It was one of the ones with the black painted window frames. I assume they locked one or two carriages out of use, this was during the time of the second station which I don't think had room for more than two carriages.

 

I would say the 800 is the flagship of the ECML at this point, with the amount of operators using it. If you set it a a few years ago can still layer on the 91.

 

They go to Flensburg (and formerly Lubeck) not to Rostock. There used to be an Interregio to Malmo via Sassnitz near Rostock

 

The ECML suggestion seems a lot more speculative than other routes - is there anything to indicate this, like there is with Vorarlberg?

 

The 91s were the flagship of the ECML from their introduction to about 2019 when the Azumas took their flagship status and I would expect them on a pre 2019 route over the HSTs.

 

As I look forward to US content, I'm disappointed that it looks to be the Antelope Valley line. With that said, I'm more hopeful today than last week about the UK route being the ECML south. I don't have anything or any evidence to go by. Just some hints here and there. ATS has been working on something and to this day we have no idea what it is. What have they been doing all this time? It looks like we are about to be moving on to TSW4. Now again just speculation on my part and I think some stuff had to be sacrificed to make ECML happen. Antelope Valley line is probably the last branch I would had picked from that area. But to be fair ,we still don't know what we are actually getting. I feel the 700/0 was meant for really an AC route which is what I think it will layer on. Just as the Acela was back in February. The 387/2 is another EMU that hasn't gotten a chance for an AC route. We know that the flying Scotsman centenary edition is on the Epic DB. which from the Centenary edition doesn't it means is set in present day? I do think Kings Cross station will be included. Now whats' going to be the terminating station on the other end, that I still don't know. Again just speculating on my part. We really have nothing more we can talk about.

 

My apologies. Confused it with Puttgarden. Haha

 

The mastery logo for it was leaked last night I think.

 

I don't know any of the UK routes but I guess it's one where the 700 has services. The ECML has the 700 so I guess that's the one. The 700 will not be included in the route but still needs to be bought separately.

No leak! I'm still speculating (without any knowledge of UK rail )

 

Mainly based on the "Flying Scotsman" reference and that the Class 700 is looking for a route to spread its wings. That and the "Smithfield" references possibly Thameslink section through to Blackfriars. However this would require an icky Class 8xx to run alongside the 700 and maybe 387 so there was also a school of thought it could be the Midland Main Line from St Pancras and Blackfriars to Bedford which could layer in the SHG MML HST.

However all that is up in the air, if the intention is to focus on the Flying Scotsman Centenary then the Settle & Carlisle is a strong contender. Visiting the Railway Touring Company site, the lions share of the 2023 special trains are from York (or Derby) over the S&C to Carlisle. That could then layer with a reskinned and reinteriored 158 from MML for the National Rail services plus anything else DTG decided to bundle in (maybe also a Class 40 Railtour layer).

Well hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know for sure.

 

If it's not something major like the ECML/WCML then I would be v surprised. I think Matt may have said something by now to quell this kind of speculation and potential disasppointment. Personally I feel it has to be something including the 700. So ECML south with a Class91 is my punt.

However, I find it strange that a Welsh route hasn't made an appearance yet, wouldn't be surprised if something Welsh could arrive in the not too distant. I'd love to see Swansea to BTM in TSW.

 

I'd love Swansea to BTM. Especially if we can get the Transport for Wales 175.

 

Post release train pack:
Class 91 Intercity 225 LNER
Class 55 Deltic
Flying Scotsman

 

That would make pretty much everyone happy if the base route included the 800, and then that pack added on.

 

what if its set during GNER times or anywhere else, when the 800 didn't exist, or when the 800 was still new

 

The ECML does have the potential to introduce great northern, LNER, and the flying Scotsman centenary edition. Is does bring the 158 from East Midlands ,but depends what year the route is set.If is set in present day not sure since it would be EMR. I think they could improvise with what they got. My question is, Im from the US so I’m not sure what actual is the Flying Scotsman centenary. Is that this year or what actual year is that referring to? What ever the year the Flying Scotsman Centenary is set could suggest the year the route is set. At least that’s what I would think. I know for TSC it just came with scenarios so is different I guess. Unless that’s their intention just to include it with scenarios only and not in timetable mode.

 

I'd only be happy with that if it had a scotrail 156. (Lol yes, ik, I'm picky. But it's my local train)

 

Please make it the 800. I have already enough vintage UK trains. There I said it. Sue me

 

Hey just a thought, if we do get 4472 and a RTC Mark One set, they have got to give us a restaurant and kitchen car. Otherwise how else are they going to serve meals to the passengers paying £335 for the full Premier Dining experience. (Yes I know, I couldn't believe the price either!).

 

some 158s are still in EMT livery even when EMR is operating them

 

It would be pretty silly to set it during the GNER era, as you wouldn't be able to layer on the newly released Class 700.

 

Why did I even look up that train

I hope they never make you the executive producer of TSW

 

it would still be very interesting if it was set then