I'm not disappointed at DTG defenders. Do what you want. If you want to give them cash and turn a blind eye, that's fine. DTG will be happy to get your money
Well it was good whilst it lasted Folks. Very disappointed by this. "Will Train Sim World 4 be available on Xbox Game Pass? Train Sim World 4 will not be available on Xbox Game Pass"
This thread shows there are a wide range of opinions on today's news. This thread doesn't show that each opinion is fine and you don't have to justify it by dismissing anyone with a different view. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make you or them wrong. Lesson of the day: Be more confident in your own skin and stop trying to justify yourself relative to others.
It would have been similar or exact same pricing with a “rush hour” instead of TSW4 so not much difference on that front with DTG profits, except it’s seems shown you get more with the iteration than a “rush hour”
Considering I've been on here for a few years and have brought TSW products in the past, im entitled to an opinion.
I will gladly buy it and enjoy it, if that makes me a defender then so be it, if that is the best you can do then that says a lot. I can be very critical when I feel it is necessary, however I speak as I find and that reflects my experiences that despite frustrations, TSW can bring a lot of enjoyment and for me is value for money.
I agree with tallboy. I’ve no gripe with anyone that wants to play the game. I can’t however be happy with the fact that the same second-hand car salesmen that have just sold you this fantastic opportunity to buy again what you already own are also the same people that have outright lied time and time again about so many aspects of this game (including, very clearly, the promised patch for TSW2 and the stop markers for the 700). This is a step too far for me so I’m really done. I’ll leave my mods on TSC until the end of the week then withdraw them. I hope those of you that can make your peace with what I see as being taken for a mug can enjoy the game. TTFN.
Omg. I cant believe what am seeing. So the new midland main line route from skyhook will get no more updates when its highly needed. As well as the other routes, Am i right in thinking?
The release of the Unreal Editor renders the limited functionality or perceived poor implementation of the Scenario Editor irrelevant. If you don't like the level of control you have in creating scenarios in the Scenario Editor, just create it from the Unreal Editor.
I would have liked the ECML to go to York as it seems a bit on the short side for a high speed route but on the whole I think the routes and locos look great. I can't wait to try the Vectron as well. The features are much better than last year too. The Free Roam mode is a great addition and the new streamlined HUD option looks so much better.
You were the one that said I was disappointed about people defending the game when I wasn't because I recognize that people will have a different opinion. I did say do what you want because I frankly don't care if you will buy it.
it just seems a real shame they went to all the effort of making TSW4 but couldn't be arsed to fix the crappy in game 2D map sigh
That shouldn't be an excuse for DTG not to fix issues with some routes. Whilst the editor is a good thing, players shouldn't have to fiddle with editors, change ini files and the like to improve things. That's something DTG can and should do themselves. Also console players don't even have access to those things and they make up a majority of the tsw playerbase
The difference was that every TSW2 owner got a free upgrade to RH standard (UE 4.26 vs 4.23), regardless of whether they bought any routes or not.
I’m not particularly happy with Playstation pricing because the discounts are only for Plus members. No loyalty discount from DTG, only one from Sony if you subscribe. This means the deluxe edition is around £13 more expensive for me than a player on Steam. In the past, other than bigger discounts in sales and more frequent sales, the divide between console and PC players was only in gen 8 content and smugness levels. Now it is in hard cash right from the off. It is what I expected to happen, so not a huge surprise, but I’m still going to register my grumble here. Other players with no more effort on their part are getting a 25% discount that I can’t get. I don’t know what it is that makes them more deserving. And I’m faced with having to buy MML just to get a decent number of services on ECML. That actually stings a lot more. One thing I think is odd is that the Deluxe Edition contains a route that was in TSW2. Many many players won’t benefit from that and will be getting the Deluxe Edition purely for the locos that are in it but due to a peculiarity of which route one of those locos is made for DTG have to include it as a free route for those players who don’t already have it. Very odd this game sometimes,
Nope, you’re right. Remember that absolute [EDIT - Jan - Language] that was MML when it released? The one that got a broken patch, then another, with a third promised as in the pipe works? Yeah, if you want that patch you’ve got to buy the ‘new’ game because the game that was until 1pm today the latest and greatest is now legacy, and no longer being updated. Remember how we were promised MML was a seed for a wider network? Well, if it ever happens you’ll need to buy TSW4, 5 and probably 6 to realise it. I honestly don’t understand how people are ok with this?! DTG are literally taking the [EDIT - Jan - Language] out of their customers to their faces and many people are like ‘yeah baby. Bring it on’.
Because people want the routes that are part of it? I'd pay £30 for the ECML and the Class 800 on it's own, same for the Antelope Valley Line. So if I'm buying those anyway, the rest is basically free. I'm not paying for the updates, I'm paying for the routes. The updates just come with it. I do think they should just have a constantly updated base version like TSC, but they aren't doing that.
Because when you intend to buy it it's no problem at all. If DTG had delivered a steam route and two freight routes I would have gone mental and would insist everything needed to be fixed before I ever would pay another cent for TSW. And probably some of the people that are angry now would have been happy and point at me that it is a good deal and I would get even more worked up because I don't care for steam or freight. I was on the lucky end of expectations so I'm a happy customer blinded by al the new stuff I really really want
Which part of this are you not getting? I DON’T WANT THE ROUTES. I have no interest in the routes. I have no interest in Scenario Planner, Creators Club, Livery Designer (all features I’ve had to pay for once already but have never used) but to get fixes for content I have already bought, and to buy content going forward we all are being forced to purchase something that many of us don’t want to buy. How is this proving so hard to understand?
No I understand it. But that's unfortunately the reality of the situation. There hasn't been a single year where there hasn't been at least one route in the entire year I don't want. I assume that's true for most people. If TSW4 is like TSW3, they offer bundles to upgrade to TSW4 with future released routes as well. I can't say I've noticed anything game breaking enough other than the NYT time table (which is coming to TSW3 as it says in the FAQ), that I would feel so strongly about it as you seem to.
I understand and agree completely. All fixes for TSW3 will cease within weeks of 4s release. Leaving us, who choose not to buy it, will be stuck with broken routes that will never be fixed. Even more frustrating is the false promises we've been fed the past year with SPADS, derailments and the travesty that was MML amd nothing will ever be done about it. But yeah, makes me a bad guy for saying what most think. I'm off, before someone tells me to chill and calls me a humpback. Lol.
Thank Funk I refunded TSW3, obsolete in a year. Even I didn't expect them to have the nerve to release yet another incremental update so soon, though. Not only did they lose my money for TSW3, I didn't buy any content either because it doesn't work with TSW2. So, it's a lose-lose for them, if you ask me.
Wish i could downvote this x1000 This will be the apologist answer for everything going forward now. "DTG are giving you the tools to do it yourself" It will give them even more excuse to just release even more sub-par content because they know the community will fix it for them* *unless you're on console then tough LOVE for you i guess
For me still the same: too few bug corrections, too few interesting features in tsw4, the new routes and trains may be ok but no, i will stay with tsw3 until a good sale come... Or a route i absolutly want. I would so much more prefer a "rush hour" way. There is nothing new in tsw4, nothing they couldnt put in TSW3 update... An update to scenario planner, a beta route editor... Seriously ? At least tsw3 had some serious core features (i still found them light..) I understand however people that want the routes / trains as they end at low price.
Looks like I'm not the only 1 that's had enough after all these years. Maybe DTG will take note. I'm guessing they won't. Will be interesting to see if there's more or less units sold than previous when it's released
They are loosing some customers but their buisness is to always to bring new ones... And this works... Just like FIFA and so much others evry yeat "upgrades"
I won't be buying it, which means I'm done with TSW. If I'd ever wished to buy a route in future (which I did), or receive a patch for a route I already owned (like MML for instance) then I am being forced to buy it. It is a paywall, put up or leave. I'm sick of it, so I'm choosing the latter.
They somehow force people as nothing more will happen for TSW3/TSW2.. owners... If you dont upgrade you cant have :new routes... You will have no bug corrections for older routes/core bugs..
you may want to get a different bundle with a route you want should one come available, or wait till next summer and pick up TSW5. it also would have been down to skyhook to decide how they update their own content.
It's not up to Skyhook. DTG own the game, they have decreed that as of today TSW3 is now legacy and defunct. Any updates going forward will only be for TSW4. I suppose we ought to be grateful for the fact that they're not going to lie about it for the next twelve months then squirrel it away in the small print for TSW5.
Sure, nothing better than having to spend hours trying to fix a product you have bought for 40 euros!
I am honestly shocked at how well DTG has estimated the customer base. Props to them. They absolutely blatantly lie times and times again, put promised fixes behind multiple paywalls... and the amount of apologists is still crazy high. WOW. And yes, I don't care that the initial bundles are for a good price, they always have been. I don't want to be forced to buy something to get fixes I was promised. If I buy a new car and it malfunctions regularly, no way I am buying a newer model where these issues are fixed. Fix my damn car, it's new. DTG could bring you and update that makes passengers fart, label it TSW5, sell it for 100 bucks and some people here would still defend it with "well just don't buy it". The more you do this the worse this practice gets and we can now actually see it getting worse between TSW2, 3 and 4. Good job, apologists.
I think you're missing the point here. Skyhook submit a patch to DTG, DTG verify it and publish it. DTG have stated that TSW3 will no longer be updated. There will be no more patches for TSW3 content, even if the creator of that content wished their to be. Afterall, even if there could be how the hell would they ever find a release slot for it?
