Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 3 Year Anniversary

I don’t know about you but when I drive a train I’m looking at the track not my hands. It’s just gaming fluff. Maybe having AWS warnings coming out of the controller speaker might give me a chance of hearing them though, as they’ve been consistently getting quieter and quieter in the audio mix with every new train that comes out.

 

If I was on PC the editor would be useless to me.

I'm not very artistic especially on a computer, and the key thing I heard was there are NO assets included. Which means you will have to build all stations, lights, buildings, even your overhead electrical lines yourself first.

If it was drop and place that would be more my style. But look forward to see creations, and perhaps a way for DTG to find new talent.

 

Same here. I don’t drive with HUD or any screen info but it’s a nice little touch. Yes, AWS/Vigilance alarms can be really quiet sometimes. So I think that works quite well. The signal aspects will be quite nice for those new who fancy trying to drive with HUD off.

 

Again,

 

Or, maybe it doesn't play like garbage, or is riddled with bugs for us?

It runs and plays fine for me, and the only bugs I ever experience are the passengers pathing badly. That's literally it.

 

An abusive relationship? That's a bit melodramatic.

Serious question though, will you be buying TSW4?

 

I get that you’re pissed and you have every right to feel how you want.

I didn’t throw any money away when I bought tsw3 and won’t when I buy tsw4. It’s not like I have to buy a new house every year to play with trains on my Xbox. Problems … which in my opinion are less serious than your opinion … included.

but to compare it to an abusive relationship is ridiculous. Abuse is a very serious thing. This is a video game.

 

It's light. You don't need to look at it directly to notice it changing color I suppose? It's helpful in other games so for this specific situation where signalling lights are simulated it sounds very practical combined with the HUD improvement

 

Passengers are funny … but it’s my job to drive the train idc if anyone rides on it

impossible golds bother me

I bought baby bullet with tsw3 and I’m still waiting for them to fix it. I don’t want a refund

there’s other little things.

I can guarantee you I’ll get on and play it later and be very happy and relaxed doing so. Just like I’ve done just about every day for the past few years. I get to brush off the days bs with trains.

money well spent

 

Exactly, my metric for games is. If I can get 1 hour of entertainment per £1 spent. It's good value. That's easily achieved in a game like this.
If you're on PC, there is a mod that fixes the baby bullet cab car. And Matt said he fixed it in a thread last week, so hopefully in the next patch.

 

Nah I’m on Xbox and I saw Matt was working on it. It’ll come.

 

I already see it for what it really is

no big deal

 

Or maybe you're just perceiving it wrong?

 

DTG is a company. You can't marry DTG. There is no relationship. It's like a bakery where you buy bread. If you don't like the bread you can complain but if they don't improve their bread to your taste you become an abusive customer if you come yell that every day in their bakery.

 

then go play something else

Do they have those little toy workbenches in the uk with the really tiny wooden hammers? When my son was young he had one and he’d hit himself on the head and then cry because it hurt. I’d say don’t do that you’ll hurt yourself. 2 mins later he does it again. Eventually he figured it out that if he hit himself on the head with the hammer it’ll hurt and he stopped doing it.

Reading your reactions reminded me of that. There is no reason for you to do something you don’t enjoy. There’s are other options.

 

Greed ?

 

Right … you go the bakery down the street

 

I've said elsewhere, core updates and fixes should be across the board regardless of whether you buy TSW4.
Having come close to being bankrupt a few times in my life I know how demoralising it is to feel like you're left behind because you need to put food on the table instead of having a new Scenario Editor because surviving comes before gaming.

If the community pushed for an Editor and got one, I think we can push DTG towards some sort of middle ground on yearly releases that feels more inclusive. I feel for those who can't even afford the reduced pre-order. Never assume it won't be you one day.

 

Most of them don't need bug fixes for anything serious. No game content is ever 100% bug free.
They also don't NEED new content. I bought them for what they had, and I'm happy with what I got.

 

What make me curious is the quality of the routes and trains..
You know things that are always perfect with TSW like number of services, scenery quality, train realism and sounds, diversity...
Fanboys will preorder.. And will moan when reality will hit their desires..

On the other side the lack of real TSW core upgrades will hopefully bring not that much new bugs...

 

I think that's where the confusion lies. The editor is not part of the game. It's a separate, stand-alone development tool. When you purchase TSW4, the editor won't be downloaded with the game. You won't be able to access the editor from the game. You'll still need to download and install it separately from the Epic Marketplace. And that is why the editor won't be available for consoles, because it's not part of the game. All console games are developed from a PC or Mac in a development environment before they are compiled and deployed for a console platform. That's just how game development works.

In the future, developers and content creators should presumably be able to build and deploy their mods for console platforms. The Unreal Editor is where all unreal console games are built and its only a matter of time before someone figures out how to deploy their mods for console platforms.

Whether or not more or less pressure on DTG to fix bugs is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen. Ultimately, if it leads to more sub-par quality content because DTG expects the community to fix their bugs, that would be terrible. However, if DTG uses their freed-up resources on creating higher quality content and faster resolution on major bugs, then that would be a positive. Only time will tell.

 

Your words not mine.

I’m buying 3 new dlcs and two new locos at a discount and getting core updates as a bonus.
I have no problem with that.

 

I'll be a sucker and pre order.

And I'll be a sucker who has fun playing TSW.

Just like I used to for sports games from 1992 to 2010.

 

Why is it, if some of us disagree, have good reason to disagree and raise those points, we are immediately shot down by the rose tinted glasses wearers?
Ostracised for daring to criticise
And yet we're classed as toxic
You love DTG then great, go you. But there a vast number of us who have had enough. Yet you can't see that and therefore class us as being wrong

 

If there's an upgrade pack for TSW3 I might get it (for at most £10) just for the editor, otherwise I'm not interested. It has three trains I'm not interested in (Since when did DTG start giving so little stock in routes? It's not even reused stuff, it's just one train. TS routes nowadays come with loads of trains from the back catalogue, and even if most of them are a bit mediocre (bar one or two) I'd rather have lots of trains rather than one), on three routes that aren't very remarkable. The only thing that's interesting other than the editor is the Dresden upgrade.

I just hope that the editor's TOC allows players to sell content, otherwise there's no point in it being there. TS' editor allowing anybody to start a business with content they make is what has kept TS alive, I hope it's the same case with TSW.

 

There are tons of both paid and free assets out there you could purchase and/or download, everything from static meshes to textures to blueprints, etc. Even if the artistic side of the editor doesn't appeal to you, you could still use the editor to create gameplay logic with blueprints.

 

DTG already confirmed when the 700 came out that they weren't putting it on BML. So that's got nothing to do with TSW4.
The only time DTG have extended a route, was SEHS, which was with a new game release. So also not something they clearly planned to do.

 

DTG have not confirmed they won’t do that for the routes in TSW4, they’ve said new content and updates to older routes won’t come in TSW3

Edit: it’s like I can’t drive to Dartford on SEHS in TSW2 but I can in TSW3 like with the 700

edit 2: Maik will similarly most likely be publishing the 420 and 232 to Munich and Rhur Sieg nord on the TSW4 version not TSW3




edit: 3: it’s Confirmed that old routes in TSW4 are open to potential future updates and content.

 

I think it's a HUGE assumption that any PC-created mods will be available on console at anytime in the forseeable future. That's the entire issue with relying them as a bugfixing tool!

 

the br 143 training on dresden - riesa has been broken since the start of tsw3 and their are even services on lgv med that are completely broken too. just some bugs i can think of from routes i play

 

It's only impossible until it's not. Yesterday, any mention of the editor was disregarded by most as being fantasy. Maybe not right away, maybe not anytime soon, but I'm sure it'll eventually happen.

 

I really don't understand the vitriol, it's a new game, new routes, locos and features.

Say you bought a new car in 2021, then you see the 2023 model, do you go to the dealership demanding that they upgrade your 2021 model to the spec of the new model? Of course not.

Some posters need to get a grip. You can't stop progress, sure you can whine (a lot it seems).

If it's a money issue, I would suggest you need to look at the other priorities in your life.

 

its not releasing new content the biggest issue, its ditching old content and not fixing it.
a better example would be if you couldn't fix your 2021 car unless you bought the new one which could be fixed

 

This is the thread for that. Literally look at the OP post and thread heading
Good lord :/

 

I edited it when I realised.

 

Frankly I don't care what you think. I have been using TSW since its inception, I know it has issues but in my experience it doesn't play like garbage so I don't know where you are coming from, I don't think I have played any game without bugs. I also think DTG are trying to make a large step forward with some of the new features which are coming.

And comparing playing a train simulator with being in an abusive relationship is disgusting and disingenuous. I suggest you go and speak to someone who has been in an abusive relationship and I am sure they will tell you in very short shrift what an awful comparison that is, the fact you have resorted to cheap comparisons like that is mind boggling.

The over the top hyperbole and manufactured drama that some are displaying is frankly bizarre just because not everyone is jumping on their band wagon.

 

I’d even say never

 

Very well said, compering Tsw to an abusive relationship is both disgusting and insulting to those that have actually been in an abusive relationship, those here who think that is a fair comparison should hang their heads in shame!

 

It’s an analogy. Get over yourself.

 

will probably still preorder even if i disagree with most of whats happening, i just really like the ecml route and the editor.
the bundle price is also appealing

 

I'm guessing all the current bugs and issues with the various routes that we've been promised were getting fixed for TSW3, are now going to be carried over to TSW4? That's the thing about yearly releases, doesn't give you a lot of time to fix issues before you're already developing the next game. That's why it comes across as a little bit iffy, when developers are like "Yeah check out our amazing new product isn't it great?!!" Then you read the small print and realise ah, all support for the previous game, which is barely a year old and is being taken off the market, is going to be non existent after the new games launch.

 

I thought that you were leaving the forum?

 

The workings of DTG and being in an abusive relationship are hardly analogous, and to compare them belittles those who have been in an abusive relationship.

 

It's a terrible analogy, and is demeaning to people that have actually experienced abuse.

 

I have a feeling this thread is gonna get locked soon, and with 'the let's bash dtg brigade' now making completely inappropriate comparisons between Tsw and abusive relationships, it's probably for the best.

 

Their point is you buy the 2021 car new then are told in order to keep getting it serviced you have to buy the 2022 car.

I can understand their point.

it’s apples and oranges though and something significantly less valuable

 

It’s a horrible analogy in incredibly bad taste.

 

Ah yes, tarring everyone who disagrees with the release of 4 with same brush. Outstanding argument you have there

 

Abusive relationships take many forms. It’s not necessarily simply the abusive domestic relationship you all seem to be connecting it with. Perhaps likening it to Stockholm Syndrome might have been a better way of putting it, even that’s still an abusive relationship of sorts.

It is just an analogy, nothing more sinister than that.

 

It’s been passionate and heated but it’s been civil