Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

And that's a compromised I'm willing to take. I would have rather had the Pacific Surfliner route which has been one of the most requested US route. They probrably had alot on their plate already and couldn't deliver that in time so they chose the Antelope instead. Actually I have been playing the Pacific Surfliner all weekend and some much that could had been. But let's see what happens tomorrow

 

No doubt you would have rather had Pacific Surfliner. And also not surprising that you are willing to pay more if that's what it takes to make NYT work; since you already own the base route, it's now something of a sunken cost. For those that still don't own NYT, the considerations might be different, which is why it might have been expected that DTG perhaps would have picked a widely-anticipated US base route for TSW4, to make the added cost something more agreeable.

Then again, I am still not buying into the hype that the scant evidence we have means Antelope Valley is coming. So, things can still change considerably... or not!

 

You won't crash into another train if you properly follow ATC.

 

After they fixed it. The whole signalling was a mess back then.

 

It always worked on Harlem.

 

So this happend in an alternative universe? The Mandela effect?

 

ATC limits you to 20 mph, and you must drive on sight. It happens irl.

 

Yeah Harlem (from my experience) never had issues crashing trains if you had safety systems on… with the safety system on, ATC drops you to 20mph when there’s another train in your block so you are slow enough to stop right behind it if you need to (as it is in real life).

With safety systems off, you barrel down the track with no idea there is a stopped train in your block and clobber the back of it.

 

I agree. Just wish AI trains would use ATC instead of running hot on your tail. Not fair when you have a “R” and have to go 15mph while the train behind is going slightly faster.
Btw on Metro North, restricting is 15 MPH, and 20mph on Amtrak NEC.

 

Ai trains have extremely basic physics and don't use safety systems to save on memory usage. Having every ai train do that in tsw requires simugraph to run with each train which is very resource intensive. Which is why you only get it if you are driving/operating the train.

 

I’m aware. It’s just an extremely noticeable on the Harlem line since most blocks don’t have wayside signals (just track transponders), making it easy for a train to stop a few feet behind you instead of at the previous block.
Not a big deal. It’s a step up from TSC New Haven line. AI’s would stop at transponders haha which is unusual.

 

Think it's just about time to put a lock on this thread. DTG have heard us and made sure that from now on, ALL their content will be just as severely flawed as the US content. Victory!

 

I’m actually in shock at the moment.

 

Did they say something about this route in the stream?

 

If you are referring to NYT, not as of yet.

 

Which after this joke of a reveal that’s all I’m looking forward to

 

Concerning I don’t see NYT timetable update on the roadmap

 

No mention of TSW2, TSW3, "dispatcher improvements," or NYT at all.

Concerning, indeed.

 

Boston Providence was also not on the TSW 3 roadmap. I'm not concerned

 

And what are the promised improvements coming to BPE?

 

Boston Providence was updated to TSW3 without being mentioned in the TSW3 announcement

 

Yes that is true. It was for the Acela DLC, wasn't it? But I think what we were looking for is more information on the timetable fixes for NYT, not if it will eventually be upgraded to TSW4 standards.

 

5 months later….. after TSW3 launch only because of the Acela . Also Brandon worked the signals on his own time

 

Also the 420 wasn’t on the roadmap
Very concerning that it wasn’t mentioned especially that would be the only reason to get me to buy TSW4. If I knew is was launching with TSW4 would force me to buy. For them not to mention it has to be a reason.

 

So it looks like we have to wait for about 3 weeks after release to get the updates on TSW3 for NYT timetable

 

Oh expect needing TSW4 to have the updated timetable. Still speculating here but I don't see that updating coming in 3 weeks for TSW3

 

3 weeks after TSW4 releases. so I had said October two months ago. So right on target

 

I really liked the stream and announcements.
Metrolink seem keen it would appear, so maybe we can hope for more LA routes using them.
The ECML with the 801 and Flying Scotsman is exactly what I wanted as well.

The feature improvements look great as well.

 

But agree most likely will need to have TSW4 to get the NYT timetable. They did it last year with Bakerloo and Hamburg Dejavu again.

 

Once again have to give credit where it is due, not having to buy TSW4 for the NYT timetable improvements is great news! I am still looking forward to buying NYT when this happens, and I appreciate that I don't need the newest iteration in order to do it. So, thanks for that!

 

Probably because it’s almost here..
They’ve surely been working on it since the route first released.

 

Maik has said the 420 will release once it is ready to be released. It has not been abandoned

 

Which content would be severely flawed like the US content? Unless you mean it sarcastically or as a joke

 

3 weeks, sure. Just Like the TSW2 preservation crew updates released in a few months of time, right?

 

That is a fair question. I think the general idea of this thread was to point out that NYT was missing so much when compared to LBN, SEHS, DRA, etc. One possible response would have been to introduce future routes at this standard. However, instead the standard has been lowered for all routes. It's hard to complain about Antelope Valley being a slight to US players when the other TSW4 routes are also underwhelming. We have even seen posts within this very thread with the retort that some of the TSW3 releases for other countries have been also offering less. NYT with the updated timetable might be the last "busy" route we even see for TSW.

It's hard to see how this comports with a "deeper" experience. If anything these TSW4 routes as well as many examples from TSW3 seem to espouse a shallower and more basic approach to TSW gameplay. So I would say that many of these DLC do not compare favorably to what we had before, outside of whatever global game improvements have been made, and I define that as a flaw. Of course, whether or not such a flaw is enough to not buy something is up to us as individuals. You may not agree, but thanks for asking!

 

I understand your argument. I have had the same thoughts as well regarding the selection of routes and the amount of rolling stock and decisions. I just wanted to know your thoughts behind why you think that way.

 

Well we got our long awaited Answer, I already pre order deluxe. This is what i have been waited since February. Thank you. Finally!
Granted some of us knew that most likely would required TSW4 to get it. I stated this several times on this thread. No surprise there. We all know what happened with the Bakerloo and Hamburg timetable update for TSW2

 

While it is good to hear about the progress on updates to the timetable, I saw no mention in the article about other fixes for the route. Are they addressing the obvious things like pantos always being lowered and the less obvious things like signaling and safety system problems?

It would be ironic if players are penalized 1) for running with safety systems off so as not to be unnecessarily slowed down or 2) for running with them on and have to move slower, thus not meeting the new timetable demands and being late. With the new scoring system, it seems like a penalty either way…

 

DTG JD, Joethefish , was wondering if you can give an update now on what is required for the new NYT timetable to activate all available layers.
thanks

 

Hmm. Promised fix available for new release at launch, and will be available for the old version at a later date. Oh, where have I heard that before...?

But looks like the sales tactic is working. People are willingly throwing money at a goddamn paid patch. This community really deservers every shameless money grab they get, lol. Keep going guys, it will only get worse!

 

Clearly I need to expand my bridge sales business into this forum...

 

I respect your point, opinion and fell your frustration. I'm very critical of DTG and I'm very vocal when it comes to their content myself. I'm have been patiently waiting for NYT new timetable. Which I have stated many times here about it most likely hood of being attached to TSW4. So it was no surprised to me. I haven't played the route since February and is just sitting there waiting for the new timetable. My choice would be, don't play the route ever again or bite the bullet. The Deluxe comes with 3 routes 2 locos for 55.99 dollars on Xbox X and and 52.99 dollars for PC. You can't beat that price versus 39.99 for regular price route. In my case, it was a no brainer to purchase the deluxe edition. I'm disappointed with the two out of the 3 routes that are launching with TSW4. I don't see myself playing Antelope route more than a couple of times. Is not my cup of tea. The section of the ECML was probably the easiest to make (only 5 stations) and most boring part of the ECML. the LNER 801 is coming with the route which is what I'm looking forward to. I think it was a missed opportunity not to make the ECML south, but I think with the amount of work and assets it requires to make the ECML south, it would have to be a standalone DLC as it would have probably price themselves out for what players are willing to pay. I'm not interested in steam train, so won't probably play with the Flying Scotsman loco that much. The only two other items I'm interested in is the S-Bahn Austrian route and Vectron. I do like metro style routes, so it fits my play style. I was very upset initially, but after doing the math I think is a good price if you like some of the content. In my opinion, I think they should had offered a basic package for those that just wanted the one or both of the deluxe loco or even offered a free upgrade for TSW4. At the end, they should be confident that the player base will buy new DLC in the near future. I think mostly, included myself, don't like with their tactics and furthermore, they have a bad history when it comes to keeping promises. I know is a business to make money. But there way of doing business and treating your customers to keep them happy and buying more future content. I stated this many months ago. I don't think they would have lost any money by offering free upgrade. This practice is already has been in place in TSC, so they should know more or less what financial cost would be. Is my opinion and by no means I'm no expert. Just think, free upgrade today, next month the JT route comes out which you know lots of players will likely get. They will get their money sooner or later.

 

I bought it because I wanted the routes it comes with. That's all there is to it.

 

My guess is on the following couple of roadmaps it will be stated that "the patch is ready", but they are waiting for a free time slot to push it... for at least a year.

 

Maik has explained that the 420 was left off simply because he couldn't give DTG a date when it would be finished. He is working on it.