No... no it shouldn't, because then people would complain you don't get a good enough run on the 80x.
We would have either got the KGX to Peterborough Or What we did get. One would be a snooze fest because you'd either have ficticious stops at PBoro or you'd have the non stop ai only trains. There are more than enough HS routes with just one intermediate stop, so it's nice that this route gets 5 total plus the 158. We wouldn't have got KGX all the way to Doncaster, that's too long.
Yes buddy, i was still on BR through the sectorisation era. So i will buy the JT route. Nothing decent in TSW for BR-WR, Paddington - Reading is a joke. I run mostly TSC anyway and nearly always the High Wycombe Joint Line freeware route. Nothing better than that with VW's superb GWR-WR loco's and a couple from CW & BMG. Never going to see excellent routes and DLC in TSW, like those i just mentioned.
Well maybe some of those developers will in time come across at some point or produce for both. I think we will see something WR at some point as it isn't a region to be ignored. I think we are digressing from the topic in hand though.
I would of preferred KX - Pboro (especially in BR days!) but it is what it is. I just hope it's not a stutter fest and sound cut outs every couple of seconds once you hit 100mph+. Would like to see the IC225 set make an appearance at some point, maybe with a Pboro-KX future extension!?!
Worth noting as well, if they did want to keep it strictly modern, they could include the 91 in its new livery
I’ve had a rethink. Yeah they could have done Kings Cross to Peterborough but it would have been a nonstop run for the Azuma. Looking at it from a gameplay point of view this section was probably their best bet as you get some stopper services, some fliers etc. You also get the chance to get a good high speed run which is alright. You get the tunnels at Grantham, the Retford curve, the flat crossing at NNG. I’m starting to warm up to this now. Just hope we get some 225 DLC.
Hopefully it will come soon, will be good to have to improve the variety on the route. Also a great sound!!
I would have slightly preferred King's Cross to Peterborough but Peterborough to Doncaster will still be good. We needed a proper conventional UK high-speed route in-game and now we have one. Obviously a loco pack for the Class 91/Mk4 trains and the LNER HSTs would be most welcome sometime in the future.
If anyone from Dovetail is reading this - there’s a screenshot of the Azuma at Retford. First class end is facing north. Typically doesn’t happen unless set is running in reverse formation. Like in all my years of working the ECML I’ve maybe had 5 or 6 times my set has been in reverse formation. Also the crew only door for kitchen access is open - wouldn’t open unless a crew member has opened it. It’s T-key/carriage key from the outside. I work on them.
https://media-cdn.dovetailgames.com/2023/082023/08/ECML-WM-9-Jeff-Douglas.png That’s Retford southbound platform. The first class end of the train is facing north. In operation the first class end faces south. Only runs in reverse formation on rare occasions. Trust me, I work these trains daily.
It's lazy pro rata with building it from Kings X to Peterborough because of all the extra detail obviously needed for a London termini, and then adding the Hertford loop and 700 into the route (just a brief reminder we do have a 700 now you know). Not doing that and choosing a dull, featureless section of the ECML instead is lazy. As for your poor DTG team feeling hurt lol don't forget it is their employment to do this, they are not a charity, I don't suppose they get paid too badly and I don't suppose they will change whilst fanboys jump to their defence and continuously throw their money at them. The consumers have the right to comment as well, there are enough tinpot dictators on here already complaining about the complainers! Have a good day.
But isn't KGX to Peterborough basically just another GWE. The 801 stopping occasionally at Stevenage and always stopping at Peterborough (despite some services going straight through). Reminds me of the HST on GWE stopping only at Reading with few also at Slough. The 700 (the /0, which doesn't go to Peterboro) serving all the smaller stations in between. Basically just another 166.
Well i guess this thread's gonna be locked. Nicely done everyone. Before it does, I'd like to know more about the route, personally: Are there ANY stopping services, or is just HST? Sounds a bit boring imo. Are the freight runs A-B or are there any local industries to serve?
That's what I think. I really would not care for an almost exact replica of GWE but with electrics. I'm really only interested in this for the fact it isn't a london termini
There are some that stop all, some that skip and some are (AI) not stoppers. There's also the 158 that runs between two stations and freight hasn't been given in detail yet
The 158 is a layer from the midland mainline which I think it's fair to say doesn't have the best reputation so if people don't own that route, there isn't much on this part of the route. I can understand why some would perfer the route to be in the London area because of the variety. You have the 387, the 700 and heck the 717 with the northern city line. That's alot of variety and more gameplay value than a route where you are just doing 125 MPH with and just an occasional freight service. Obviously DTG picked this section because it was less difficult to do, but I can understand why people may not be happy with this choice as frankly in my opinion, this is quite a bland section of the ecml with not much variety. If you don't agree than that is fine of course. At least with London-Peterborough, there would be variety.
And yet the complainers act like 6 year old's. The hypocrisy couldn't be more hilarious I'm not referring to you by the way
It looks pretty good to me. It is missing some fencing however and needs a lot more weeds. The platforms don't help as in reality they are a bit battered and patchy now along with the buildings whereas in the game everything looks brand new.
A big factor for this section of ECML is that there is an experience with it we haven’t had yet. High Speed services that actually have station stops. The closest thing we have is the SEHS service but that’s either a couple of stops on the way to Ashford or a glorified local commuter. Taking a real intercity high speed service & having various stops will make it distinct.
One thing I hope the devs note on this route is foliage and wear and tear, don’t want everything looking fresh
The referenced comment was completely over the line and totally unacceptable. Jerkery like that deserves to be smacked down, hard. This is not about a difference of opinion, it is about completely transcending the boundaries of civilized discourse. In an earlier age a comment like that would have engendered a slap across the face and an invitation to a dawn meeting. I think a bit of rude language is a rather milder response.
Back on topic, this route is also going to be great to finally let the classic diesels off the leash with the new editors. Class 47's on 11 or 12 Mark 2's. Double headed Class 31's or Class 40's on relief trains. It will be the first UK main line in TSW which will really allow sustained fast running at 90 or 95 MPH. (No slur intended to the MML which is excellent, but less than half the length of the new route).
i agree, i wish there was alot more wear and tear and signs of age in some of it. sometimes things feel way too clean
Would love to see this little detail on the crew door, been done before with Rivet’s 484. Of course, we must wait for the driver to release the doors before operating with the t-key first however!
That does seem unusual. It's quite bold and prominent too. It doesn't make sense for them to call it an extension when it's not extending anything.
That's the other problem. Matt said in the roadmap stream they're unwilling to do King's Cross to Peterborough owing to it's length and complexity, and Doncaster to York could hardly be it's own route.
They could extend to Lincoln and bring the 800 in the future, possibly. I more meant though that extension implies this route is and extension of another route, and there is no route in game this route could be an extension of. I do think that it is more a mistake than anything else in all honesty.
Newark is roughly halfway between Lincoln and Nottingham. If they did Lincoln to Nottingham in it's entirety (by no means a difficult route to do) we could have TSW's first network. It would certainly be a novelty to drive all the way from Leicester to Doncaster in the same train (a reversal would be needed, but it's still doable). Obviously no services could really make full use of such a network, so it would be more a novelty and sandbox. It may also be beyond the current capabilities of TSW, but it would certainly put the "world" in Train Sim World.
They didn’t say they were unwilling actually, they said they WANTED to do it but it was owing to complexity. It doesn’t shut down the idea at all
Didn't they also say that they wanted to do less routes already covered in TSC? They also said Berwick to EDN was too long at 140miles. Also remember though, how much of a memory tank that the similar route of BML is, and how angry people are that this route doesn't have the max capacitity in terms of services. Its all well and good arguing that this would be the more demanded section, but if customer hardware can't (or struggles) to support it, then its a lose-lose situation. Route people want, but many can't play well, leading to negative feedback Route people don't want, but can function to an acceptible standard and includes the rolling stock in demand... leading to negative feedback
Berwick to Edinburgh isn’t 140 miles it’s 57 miles and also Newcastle to Edinburgh isn’t up to 140 miles it’s actually 124 miles
No idea, I recall Matt saying something about Newcastle (my error thinking Berwick) and Edinburgh, rewatched the stream and he said approx. Whoops. But still. But KGX to Peterborough, It would get the same complaints of one, maybe two stops in the 800, making it feel like a 700 heavy route, and then if you got the RLU 700, you'd be paying for the same train again, but with 4 extra coaches and still only running the RLU on SEHS. At least we get something that doesn't feel like a GWE one stop high speed clone?
There’s upsides and downsides to both sections IMO. However I reckon I know that 90% of the forum would be salivating for the KGX section if we didn’t already have the 700, and the whole ‘just another GWE’ spiel wouldn’t be brought up. Im pretty confident that KGX will happen, might not be now & might not be in the next 12 months, but we’ll see it.
Oh I would probably take Newcastle to Edinburgh it’s much MUCH better and if the scenery is done properly it would be better than even Bad Vilbel - Stockheim
There’s something about heading north out of Newcastle towards Berwick and Edinburgh. Definitely think this will come at some stage even if it means having two separated sections of the same route. Purely personal preference I would rather see that northern section than the Cross to Posh, though of course that would be great as well.
