Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

Probably because it’s almost here..
They’ve surely been working on it since the route first released.

 

Maik has said the 420 will release once it is ready to be released. It has not been abandoned

 

Which content would be severely flawed like the US content? Unless you mean it sarcastically or as a joke

 

3 weeks, sure. Just Like the TSW2 preservation crew updates released in a few months of time, right?

 

That is a fair question. I think the general idea of this thread was to point out that NYT was missing so much when compared to LBN, SEHS, DRA, etc. One possible response would have been to introduce future routes at this standard. However, instead the standard has been lowered for all routes. It's hard to complain about Antelope Valley being a slight to US players when the other TSW4 routes are also underwhelming. We have even seen posts within this very thread with the retort that some of the TSW3 releases for other countries have been also offering less. NYT with the updated timetable might be the last "busy" route we even see for TSW.

It's hard to see how this comports with a "deeper" experience. If anything these TSW4 routes as well as many examples from TSW3 seem to espouse a shallower and more basic approach to TSW gameplay. So I would say that many of these DLC do not compare favorably to what we had before, outside of whatever global game improvements have been made, and I define that as a flaw. Of course, whether or not such a flaw is enough to not buy something is up to us as individuals. You may not agree, but thanks for asking!

 

I understand your argument. I have had the same thoughts as well regarding the selection of routes and the amount of rolling stock and decisions. I just wanted to know your thoughts behind why you think that way.

 

Well we got our long awaited Answer, I already pre order deluxe. This is what i have been waited since February. Thank you. Finally!
Granted some of us knew that most likely would required TSW4 to get it. I stated this several times on this thread. No surprise there. We all know what happened with the Bakerloo and Hamburg timetable update for TSW2

 

While it is good to hear about the progress on updates to the timetable, I saw no mention in the article about other fixes for the route. Are they addressing the obvious things like pantos always being lowered and the less obvious things like signaling and safety system problems?

It would be ironic if players are penalized 1) for running with safety systems off so as not to be unnecessarily slowed down or 2) for running with them on and have to move slower, thus not meeting the new timetable demands and being late. With the new scoring system, it seems like a penalty either way…

 

DTG JD, Joethefish , was wondering if you can give an update now on what is required for the new NYT timetable to activate all available layers.
thanks

 

Hmm. Promised fix available for new release at launch, and will be available for the old version at a later date. Oh, where have I heard that before...?

But looks like the sales tactic is working. People are willingly throwing money at a goddamn paid patch. This community really deservers every shameless money grab they get, lol. Keep going guys, it will only get worse!

 

Clearly I need to expand my bridge sales business into this forum...

 

I respect your point, opinion and fell your frustration. I'm very critical of DTG and I'm very vocal when it comes to their content myself. I'm have been patiently waiting for NYT new timetable. Which I have stated many times here about it most likely hood of being attached to TSW4. So it was no surprised to me. I haven't played the route since February and is just sitting there waiting for the new timetable. My choice would be, don't play the route ever again or bite the bullet. The Deluxe comes with 3 routes 2 locos for 55.99 dollars on Xbox X and and 52.99 dollars for PC. You can't beat that price versus 39.99 for regular price route. In my case, it was a no brainer to purchase the deluxe edition. I'm disappointed with the two out of the 3 routes that are launching with TSW4. I don't see myself playing Antelope route more than a couple of times. Is not my cup of tea. The section of the ECML was probably the easiest to make (only 5 stations) and most boring part of the ECML. the LNER 801 is coming with the route which is what I'm looking forward to. I think it was a missed opportunity not to make the ECML south, but I think with the amount of work and assets it requires to make the ECML south, it would have to be a standalone DLC as it would have probably price themselves out for what players are willing to pay. I'm not interested in steam train, so won't probably play with the Flying Scotsman loco that much. The only two other items I'm interested in is the S-Bahn Austrian route and Vectron. I do like metro style routes, so it fits my play style. I was very upset initially, but after doing the math I think is a good price if you like some of the content. In my opinion, I think they should had offered a basic package for those that just wanted the one or both of the deluxe loco or even offered a free upgrade for TSW4. At the end, they should be confident that the player base will buy new DLC in the near future. I think mostly, included myself, don't like with their tactics and furthermore, they have a bad history when it comes to keeping promises. I know is a business to make money. But there way of doing business and treating your customers to keep them happy and buying more future content. I stated this many months ago. I don't think they would have lost any money by offering free upgrade. This practice is already has been in place in TSC, so they should know more or less what financial cost would be. Is my opinion and by no means I'm no expert. Just think, free upgrade today, next month the JT route comes out which you know lots of players will likely get. They will get their money sooner or later.

 

I bought it because I wanted the routes it comes with. That's all there is to it.

 

My guess is on the following couple of roadmaps it will be stated that "the patch is ready", but they are waiting for a free time slot to push it... for at least a year.

 

Maik has explained that the 420 was left off simply because he couldn't give DTG a date when it would be finished. He is working on it.

 

From the pic it does seem like SPG is required, perhaps CJP is optional? I also seem to remember that the loco will sub in from HSC. And of course we already know LIRR with M3 available to sub.

 

DTG JD Just noticed that NEC Boston Providence is not getting the new lighting model and Volumetric fog. Same for Sherman Hill. I'm confused
Is this a typo?I was under the impression Boston and Sherman hill had received the TOD 4 lighting and Volumetric skies

 

For that they would need to open these routes and tick the "volumetric fog" checkbox. Can you imagine the workload that would require? Not to mention, it would take years for them to find a release slot for the patch!

 

Are going to receive and updated number for the NYT time table services? This woulb be good information for us to have

 

Hi everyone! Apologise for bumping this thread but i think it's the most suited thread to answer my curiosity.
In terms of playability, is New York-Trenton working as intended? (Signalling & safety systems.)
Just getting this route recently, cheers.

 

Short answer is no. There have been numerous posts about signaling issues in this route such as this one: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/nyt-please-consider-improving-signals-too.69875/

With the upcoming timetable update and changes to scoring for safety system use in TSW4, my prediction is that playability will only get worse unfortunately.

 

That's my fear as well. If the update actually releases for TSW3, then I might get the route. But knowing their track record, who knows how broken it will be with the new timetable. I am still hoping it ends up good, as I wanted to get this route since the beginning, but one has to be really cautious nowdays.

 

if you’re on time, the signals work fine. Way better than Harlem Line.

 

I guess it’s probably a bit subjective, but yeah it is possible to be on time with a good majority of the services on the route outside of rush hour because of the inherent schedule padding for both Amtrak and NJT, but if you base it on pure realism, I would not call it fine.

Crawling at 15-20 mph in approach of NY Penn (and sometimes at Newark and Trenton too) or being knocked down to 45 mph for no apparent reason around Metropark (even if not crossing over to another track or following another train) makes no sense to me from a signaling perspective and it’s only going to get worse when you start adding all the services that are missing right now. I find myself cutting in and cutting out the safety systems repeatedly depending on where I’m at on the route just to get a sense that my train is moving the way it should be…

 

If you truly know how the signaling system is supposed to work, then your opinion would change.

 

I've been driving this route with safety systems on, and it mostly works well.
There may be times when you are delayed for no apparent reason (yellows, but no trains).
Just don't load any saves, though. Something went terribly wrong when I did that, and I ended up in traffic jam at NY Penn.

 

learned this the hard way as well

 

Nothing more to add at this point. "We trust DTG".

 

All the thousands of hours of play time and time I’ve spent purposely delaying trains to get a “backed up” effect. I’m very knowledgeable of how the signals work. Not including time watching all the editor streams over the years. Just saying lol. I have none of the issues most of you folks have. There’s a reason. Anyways, I guess I know nothing

 

You realize you're talking to one of the people that made the route right? The person that is also currently making the new timetable for it.

 

Joe is making the timetable. Cactusjuice is the signaling expert.

 

Actually, running without ATC will allow you to run the services on time. There’s an ATC/dispatch issue around the Metropark area. Will get a 45 cab from New Brunswick until Metropark even without trains ahead on your line. Still doesn’t present any game breaking red signals.
I’m not saying I know more than the professionals. I just don’t have the issues everyone seems to complain about.

 

This has since been fixed

 

Awesome! Haven’t ran the route since May. Been focused on UK routes since then. I’ll be switching back once TSW4 drops.

 

It was reported fixed but I have definitely still gotten the signal drop even after installing the relevant patch.

 

Not saying you know nothing, but I am shocked you haven't noticed a lot of what the others have. Anyway, i didnt script this route's signal system...only Boston.

 

Brandon, any idea whether DTG might let you (or anyone) do a preview stream of the timetable revision in the next few weeks?

 

Probably not. To be honest I have been so busy with this current project that I have barely even touched the new timetable.

 

Can't wait to see the finished product in February

 

At least from my experience on PC, this has not been fixed.
I just ran westbound timetable services 79 and 3943 - both of which bypass Metropark on track 3. There was no traffic reasonably close up ahead (the wayside signals also showed clear), but still the cab signals dropped to approach medium 45 even though there was no switching of tracks for those services.

 

To me it makes perfect sense that the patches are releasing later to TSW3 than to TSW4. The patches will require Q/A and beta testing on both games and if you are DTG you don't want to split your resources on your previous game and your next game right before launching your next game.

 

If you're DTG, why bother spending resources on TSW3 at all?

 

Since TSW3 content is moving to TSW4 and still needs fixed that's why there bothering.But the catch here is you have to pay for TSW4 to get more TSW3 fixes and getting current TSW3 players to pony up for the next game is how you do that and why.

But it was hinted in the most current matt stream that TSW3 might get a few more fixes before TSW4 release,well see.

 

I stumbled on this intriguing flaw / glitch when playing the Northeast Regional 134 timetable service.
I captured it on video, don't worry, there are timestamps / chapters to make it easy to navigate.
Here's the link in case the video embed stops functioning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVzIhSjLb0Q



The full breakdown is in the video description, so I'll give an abridged / TLDR explanation here.
When passing Metropark, Keystone 652 is held at ISELIN interlocking. This doesn't make sense because the train is supposed to go ahead of you. This only happens when you play 134 too.

When you get to Newark Penn, Acela 2172 bound for Boston is boarding on Track 3 (typically used for Westbounds). It too is supposed to depart ahead of you & diverge onto Track 2. However, the switches align for YOUR train (NER 134) which causes it to delay the westbound Northeast Regional 137 which is scheduled to use track 3. Also, your early arrival into Newark, delays 652 which catches a stop signal at DOCK interlocking (west end).

I show it from the perspectives of 134, 2172 & On Foot. It's weird how even though your train is theoretically supposed to wait for others, the tracks get aligned for your train which causes other trains to be delayed. Well 134 wouldn't exactly "wait" for 652, 652 should've already been on its way to Newark & New York before you even reach Metropark. Moreover, in real life, I think 137 would've been routed onto Track 4 rather than be forced to wait at DOCK interlocking.

 

Do we know if the new timetable drops tomorrow with the early access launch of TSW4 OR with the official game release on the 26th?

 

26th when the older DLC for TSW 4 is available.