German TSW content is generally pretty good. One of my favourite things about German routes is that the timetables tend to be busy, with a very large portion of real-world services represented, and a good variety of different locomotives and types of train to drive. If you've got all the relevant layers, it's hard to beat the newer German routes in that respect. However, there is one major problem with German content: essentially, all the routes are the same. They all (with the sole exception of Niddertalbahn) are electrified, and they all primarily feature DB trains. The German diesel trains in the game can be counted on one hand, there are no mainline diesel locomotives, just one modern DMU, not a single non-DB passenger train, and except for the PRESS 155, all the non-DB freight locos actually wear the liveries of rolling stock leasing companies rather than actual train operators. Of course, the actual physical routes are plenty different, and the lack of variety in the trains that run on them is exactly the thing that makes each individual route so good, but at the same time it holds back German content in general. I feel like it is high time for both non-electrified routes and private operators to appear in Train Sim World. We now have the 628 which means a slightly backdated diesel-focused route would be possible with just a 218 and a new n-Wagen cab car. We also have lots of DB rolling stock that could layer into a route primarily featuring a private operator to avoid the "Empty Station Syndrome" that many UK or US routes suffer from. DTG's German rolling stock and toc strategy has allowed them to make some of the best routes in the game and build up a good collection of trains to fill out the timetables, but I think that by now, all the prerequisites that they need to also make great diesel routes and use private operators are in place. I hope they will use this opportunity to make the available selection of German content more representative of German railways soon.
Private operators would require the appropriate licenses. In terms of your comment of the 218, it's being made by tsg after the 420 and 232. I don't know a lot about diesel traction but I would like to see a 648 or a 245. The only ones I know from tsc lol.
At least with german content they managed to expand one sector in a way to have a large variety. I discovered the bremen oldenburg timetable to be the one with the most variety. - freight and passenger - freight services get looped a lot and on many different spots. - loco run arounds & coupling - s bahn services - regular passenger & ic services - empty stock movements - shunting with line action - a lot of empty stock on the map - depots are used - tonns of a.i services - different types of freight trains - light loco runs BRO isnt a very long route , but i enjoy the large service variety. Thats what makes an excellent timetable. Riesa dresden is also perfect, but in bremen - oldenburg all different sidings get used for the services & loco parkings etc.
I do agree there is a deficit of main line diesels. When contemplating a freelance “Euro” route as an editor project it’s going to be much easier to build non electrified. But unless everything is hauled by the 204, 363/365 or G6 or formed by a 612 or 628 DMU we have nothing. The 218 and 232 are in development as we know, but where are the 212’s, 215’s, 216’s or the mighty 221 as a bit of main,one power?
I could not care less what livery the loco has, more interesting freight runs, single track if anything, is needed however. I believe RSN has some "Go there, pick up the wagons, and then dump them there" services and those are fairly interesting.
Best part about 218 and 232 are they are made by TSG and also the worst part. I wouldn't be surprised if we see those locomotives before 2025.
I'd love more single track routes, it creates very interesting traffic, like passing loops with trains waiting for you to pass (or you waiting for the other train). However, from my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, most of the routes in Germany are double track. Same with the UK. It's not like Scandinavian countries (and I don't need to tell you this of course) where you can have pretty "major" lines (at high speeds!) that are single track.
You will run across this issue with licensing furthermore there are some private operators that operate DB Baureihe 1429 429 427 & 1440 trains. Let's start off with Hengelo Bad Bentheim Osnabrück Hbf Bremen you are going to need Eurobahn license and a Nederlandse Spoorwegen license for the Dutch side of the route because the international route is simply carried by the existing DB license. Current 1980s DB and Dutch Nederlandse Spoorwegen
In Germany there are 19979 km of single track lines (24% electrified) and 18487 km of railways with multiple tracks (86% electrified). I would say you are looking at substantial amounts of single-track lines. High speed (>160 km/h) maybe not so much. There is also the distinction between Hauptbahn (main line) and Nebenbahn (branch line). I'm guessing most main lines are double-track, I didn't find any data, although a few examples of main lines with single track sections come to mind, such as the Marschbahn north of Niebüll which is not electrified and has a very high capacity utilization. Another one would be the Karwendelbahn, I'm sure there are many others as well.
Yes Schleswig-Holstein is full of single track lines. We have two mainlines, Marschbahn and Hamburg Flensburg/Kiel. Between all the other citys there is single track. And I love it
An extension to Kiel on the Hamburg-Lubeck line would be a nice bonus with the introduction of the 218 and 648.
Not that far away. Another proof that the things are existing (except the 218 what is in early 3d development atm). (note: the texturing on the 232 is just a temporary thing) That would be more like the 218 and 648 would be a bonus of that extension then. It's way more to do for that extension than to create both trains, in terms of pure manpower.
Oh maaan 218 would be a dream come true - besides that I would prefer a solo route Kiel Flensburg with 628 and 218 with Silberlingen and some shunting in Kiel harbour ...
Yes I'm definitely bored with German routes that aside from the scenery (and even some of that) are beginning to look the same. It's not DTG's fault I guess that all DB trains are red and look the same, especially the multiple units. I won't be buying any more of those samey routes and I seriously think it's time to move to somewhere new like France or wherever. The big advantage UK routes have over German is the sheer wealth of varied liveries because of all the private companies. US trains are also more varied and colourful.
Germany could be made interesting if we had routes from different eras. I go on about the joys of the UIC and Silberlinge stock experienced in the 1980's and locos like the BR 141 (E41) BR 150/151 and any number of former DR classes (and their UIC coaches were even less comfortable than those of DB!). That would break up the monotony of what we have now. West Rhine was a step in the right direction, but not really far enough back.
Well actually, the german local services get a lot more colourful. Sorry for coming back to north Germany, but here we have now the state driven company NAH.SH, it uses petrol coloured trains. Baden-Württemberg has yellow, black liverys and so on. So, there could be a lot of variety fx in Hamburg where you see some other companys.
Curious, why are companies resistant to giving licenses? Isn’t it basically free advertising for them?
It all boils down to licensing. Otherwise, München Hbf would be a kaleidoscope of colors, what with Meridian, Alex, Flixtrain, OBB, CD etc running there.
I think if they let anybody use their license too liberally then there's a legal risk that they lose the trademark or something. Just hearsay (IANAL) but I guess different companies deal with that liability in different ways
If your milage varies by the colour of the trains then just go nuts in livery designer, good grief...
The font of the S-Bahn München logo looks like DIN font on the 420, I can give you the real logo as a vector file if you want to replace that texture I'm hyped for these beauties though!
Berlin S-Bahn remains one of my favourite routes in TSC (apart from struggling with the German verbal instructions) and would be great to see that or something similar in TSW.
I don't care that much about the lack of private operators but I agree that rolling stock and route repetitiveness is the German content's major weakness. The poor sound quality and bad sound reproduction on several routes and vehicles is also a very annoying issue.
I guess it all depends on the people that work there. They are trying to run a rail company. I can see that a videogame is not on top of the pile of issues they won't to solve. Agreeing to a license also means dedicating work hours by a rail company to that video game. If your priorities don't align with making a great route for TSW it's easier to decline. I already contacted the Belgian rail company to ask them about the possibilities for the TSW4 editor. I already understand I will probably get an answer when TSW7 is announced That's not how it works. As long as there are permissions (license) in place that counts as protecting your brand. If DTG used a brand without permission and that brand would not take action against DTG that would count as not protecting your brand.
The Nationale Maatschappij Belgische Spoorwegen on the other side of the language border Société Nationale Chemin du Fer Belge. For that to work looks like you might need L36 L37 linked to SKA
One of the routes I would love to see also. Berlin is yet to exist in TSW. Hopefully that changes soon.
Are you referring to the heart of Berlin route which started out as an extension of the Berlin Hbf Leipzig Hbf TSC route S-Bahn tracks?
There are quite a few essentiall MUs missing, both EMU and DMU to cover the 2020+ era (which I like most). The liveries are important but once the model with physics is there, additional liveries tend to be the smaller problem. Missing rolling stock Diesel loco: TRAXX 246 DMU: LINT and original TALENT 1, to a lesser extend 648 and Regio Shuttle EMU (regional): Desiro HC, Desiro ML, Flirt 3, KISS, 1440 EMU (long-distance): ICE 4, ICE 2, ICE 3 neo, ICE T, IC2 (Doppelstock IC), ICE 3 Velaro D, IC cab car (ICs are less and less used, so it will likely become irrelevant with time) Missing operators/liveries: Nationalexpress (british company): Talent 2 (3 part and 5 part sets) for RB 48 and RE 7 in Cologne-Aachen, Wuppertal-Hagen Metronom: 146 and Doppelstock for Hamburg-Bremen/Hannover/Göttingen start (coloured similarly to Metronom except for logo): TRAXX 246 and Doppelstock for Hamburg-Cuxhaven nah.sh (coloured regardless of operator): KISS for Hamburg-Lübeck and RE lines from Hamburg-Flensburg/Kiel, Flirt 3 for RB lines from Hamburg to Itzehoe/Wrist RRX (coloured regardless of operator): Desiro HC for RE lines on Cologne-Aachen, Duisburg-Bochum bwegt (coloured regardless of operator, once we have BaWü route) Transregio: operates RB 26 in Cologne-Mainz (relevant for Koblenz-Mainz route if you wanted to operate it with current timetable and Cologne Hbf), uses Desiro ML On another note, I would like to request that every German route must be playable without any HUD and just with route knowledge and what's visible. If a signal is indicating, for example, 60kph from the next signal, those 60kph shouldn't be valid from the signal itself. Furthermore, it is forbidden to close the doors in Germany while the signal aspect is red. So every scenario/timetable stop should be set up so that the signal can become green while the loading/unloading operation is in effect. Effectively, dispatch ahead MUST be set on the instruction for that.
really, need more train DLCs. don't expect to see all the rolling stocks in one DLC, but at least there should be chance to supplement them.
I really like this! And I would like to add that all signs along the tracks should be reflective, in order to be able to do this also at night! I know, I do tend to repeat myself, however, I do like this feature and would really like to see it again…
Maik and the TSG team please when you do the sound recording for the 218 please please could you make sure that it has a tb10 or tb11 engine and not a caterpillar engine as caterpillar engines make no noise where as tb10 or tb11 engines sound absolutely fantastic. The easy way to tell are the ears as tb10 and tb11 have their ears together where as caterpillar 218s have bent ears. Tb10/tb11 Caterpillar.
It's whatever sounds tsg can record or whatever their source material is. Can't always guarantee something lol
