Enough Is Enough!!!

That’s good to hear Matt. Thanks for the update.

 

I never was in a lockdown because I'm in the middle of the US - so my playing habits really didn't change. But fair points (I don't believe I belong to a Master Race) - now I'm back to Bremen-Oldenburg for some more autos to drive right through my train

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

They are irritating yes, but that is quite unnecessary vulgar language

 

PC has its advantages such as the ability to mod the game and tweak configuration settings. But besides that at its core the game is the same. I agree with the post above that more work should have been done to optimize the game. Although I guess there's another advantage of the PC. A monster PC can probably brute force performance out of the piggishly optimized routes.

 

Let me ask you a money no object question; PC or Console. Which would you pick?

ps - The number of people who have said this should be a PC game only must be less than you can count on one hand, on this forum at least.

pps - The reason TSC is as it is is because the engine it uses is, well, ancient and was developed for, and when, hardware was many magnitudes back from where it is now. They have literally eeked every ounce of performance out of that old engine yet in many respects it’s still a far superior sim. Instead of consigning it to history DTG have just embarked on a long-term project to push that engine yet further and at the very least future proof it, and at best significantly improve it. How many games today are still on an engine that was developed a long time before the London Olympics? The fact that TSW hasn’t tempted all TSC players to walk away from it for the ‘new’ game is probably it’s biggest failing.

 

GTA 5… which is a way better optimised game than train simulator

 

Actually more than a couple, I’ve heard it a lot from people like Trainspotter from Tauranga, TrainGuy4, that schnauz guy and a bunch of forum users. also yes mostly everyone would take a pc but it doesn’t mean you have to be an insufferable person (not aimed at you but pc [EDIT - Jan - Language]).

 

Ironically a 4090 would still stutter on train sim. Shows you how poorly optimised the game actually is. There are games more performance heavy that can run on console perfectly. That is proper optimisation. Something DTG haven’t figured yet

 

It gets a lot off topic now, but the discussion between pc and console users is getting more obsolete as you consider it. Given that a fairly decent pc component whether mainboard, cpu or gpu is more or as expensive as a console these days. So the advantage a pc had over the console, to upgrade pretty cheap when a console user had to buy a complete new unit, is gone.

As a PC user myself I see that DTG has to make a lot of compromises and has be extra creative to make a train simulator work on a controller. And you know what, that thing I think, they made a really good job.

 

It horse for for courses, whatever you have the time or budget for, but at the end of the day without PCs or Macs, there would be no console games!

So kneel and give thanks to the PC master race

 

Starfield XD

 

The first consumer video games were consoles. It did not start with PC's, it started with arcades. But i'm not planning to go look for an arcade and kneel before it

But back on topic. I saw a poll reappear and it clearly shows a small minority voted not to buy (at this moment). Seems like DTG done a good job so far with TSW4 as you can't please everyone

 

Last time I check it was about 23% ... soooo nearly a quarter of participents ... but still I don't think this poll represents true opinion on the matter.

 

23% is a small minority as you know of those votes there still will be people who buy it eventually. The poll says enough about if it was a stupid decision of DTG or not. This poll is about preordering. More than half of the voters already made up their mind about buying Reviews are not even in yet

 

where is the poll?

 

Small minority? Hope you don't run any business if you think losing a quarter of your customers is fine. Sure, the reality will most likely be different, but it may be better or worse. TSW4 is not on game pass, that's a bunch of people who might not buy the new game and any future content. Reviews on Steam are usually mid or even bad, not a great mark (though re-releasing the main game over and over conveniently hides previous DLC reviews). And you might also have a bunch of people who now just... gave up on the game without voting in that poll. But simply going "23%? that's fine" is bolder than bold.

 

I guess you don't run a business if you immediately assume from this poll that a quarter of your customers is leaving. The poll is about pre ordering.

 

The poll is pointless drivel, as are they all. Not even remotely representative of the TSW player base.

 

Don't panic folks. It's like the weather. It'll be sunny or raining regardless of our chinwagging. Likewise larger strategic directions are probably outside the scope of influence of this forum.

 

It's drivel when it does not point to your view.

If the poll had said that 55% would not buy it you would use it as a fact

 

I suspect he's married and has plenty of practice. To be fair I'd do that too Im married and know a good asset in a 'discussion' when I see one..

 

why not just wait a week or 2 and we can all see how the game does?

 

Because some of us turn to ash in direct sunlight, some of us think we live in the matrix and there's no point going outside, and 23% of us really really enjoy polls..?

 

there are so many nice things outside, you could just switch off the computer and go take a random trip somewhere. then when you come back the game will be out

 

Outside is for when I'm retired I guess.

 

Yeah, I was only joking Ive actually just got back from a trip to the middle east, before that the states. I get around. But thats unrelated to posting here. Being involved here on the forums is all about sharing the love of the hobby and trying to push it to be the best it can be.

 

And on what would those games have been created? All gaming life began on a computer.

 

you must be loaded to be able to afford those trips, or your joking and i didn't realise

 

It's not about how they are made but how they are be meant to be played.

The first commercial video game did not had a keyboard or a mouse. People weren't even really using mouses back then.


There is even no Mac version of TSW so I would hardly call it a game for personal computers #sarcasm

 

I travel a lot for work, no way I could afford to take those trips and pay myself!

 

Its work. I got home this morning. But we digress..

 

No I wouldn’t. You’re making an incorrect assumption there my friend.

 

I would. I would boast about it and rub it in your face

 

Can’t say I’m surprised…

 

It is hardly a quarter of their customers! It is 23% of people on this forum and then only those who bothered to vote.

 

Ah I had no idea even a 4090 and I would assume coupled with a very good CPU would still run this game poorly. Sadly, adding more eye candy and not knowing how to optimize the experience has been the order of the day for this past year. Maybe someday they'll decide to work on this aspect.

 

I've seen some streams of DadRail, who uses a 4090 according to him, some stutters during the game. I've always thought it is a livestream problem, since I use an Radeon 480 (so long overdue for anupgrade) and can only play in window-mode. I really would like to hear from DTG Matt which part of a pc is working the hardest when playing TSW. So where to invest when upgrading. Does TSW uses more CPU than GPU? Does TSW uses multithread or is it a single thread game? I really would like to do my part to optimise my game experience.

 

Good question about multithreading. If this is still a single core game I'll be shaking my head. No DLSS / FSR support. Not even sure it uses HDR. It's marketed as a "new" game every year (or couple) yet it doesn't seem to be modern at all under the hood.

 

It is best to ensure that your CPU and GPU are not bottlenecking. I use a Core i7 12700K CPU paired with an RTX3070 GPU. That combination works very well together and pretty much no bottlenecking with this CPU/GPU combination. I run the game in Direct X 12 mode with 60fps capped. With this setup, I get minimal to no stutter in most instances. Newer TSW3 routes may run slightly below 50fps but I am generally happy overall with the performance.

 

look what this thread has become

according to someone on YT who I don't entirely believe (or DTG themselves said that on the most recent stream but I forgot it), said, that TSW3 was a subphase because they were working on TSW4 for a long damn while, which would have been new with the training center, TOD4 and all that, but they probably decided to release part of the features for TSW3 already and then finish off the rest

 

So what you're saying is that TSW3 should not have been released with a tag line 'Master the machine', but rather 'Our half assed version. Wait for next year'?

 

I mean it wouldn't be a total suprise

 

At the time those commercial machines, arcade and home, were all dedicated single function TTL circuits. Essentially designed to mimic the programs which had been made to run on institutional mainframes. Consoles like the Magnavox Odyssey only ran different games by literally changing physical jumpers inside it with the inserted cards. It wasn't until the arrival of the microprocessor and the emergence of things like home micros that we saw actual coding of what we'd recognise today as videogame software on regular personal devices.

 

well I guess they needed more money to pay their employees

 

I thought that was what the Focus buyout was for.

 

good thinking

 

Unless it was cashing in at asset peak value rather than waiting for any potential decline..
Tin foil hats on folks...

 

Ah yes, the old "sell the restaurant to some sucker before they discover the food is rotten" trick