New Scoring System Is Disappointing

Loving TSW 4 except for the new much heralded scoring system . It seems that even a lacklustre performance is rewarded with platinum which is a shame as it was one of the main selling points for me

 

yeah scoring is broken. they should implement a system to calculate the score better and then set the inbetween points of what you get for how many points or whatever

 

Yeah, they said you needed 90% of available points to get a platinum, but I scored over 4000 on a service that had a platinum target of only 2100 so they will be very easy.

 

Scoring seems to be completely borked. I often get 65 points per sector even if I don't have safety systems on, I'm still getting up to 500 points for objectives and stopping on the marker and I agree, it seems very easy to get Platinum medals right now. Whether that can be blamed on the scoring currently not awarding as it is supposed to or whether it is an issue beyond that is something to discuss.

The screen at the end of runs that shows you your scoring also doesn't work as it should. The safety systems part may be blank or show as N/A when they were indeed on, same with the cab set up.

 

The fact you can get a plat without using any safety systems should be looked at.

But when you have the likes of the Talent 1 and its cab lighting issues, it is impossible to use the safety systems that needs looking at too.

 

To be fair Alex , they are all like it. I’ve done at lest two routes where I’ve overshot the station and gone over the speed limit and still got platinum

 

First two trips in Journey mode on Vorarlberg, for example.
I tried very hard to get a gold medal: you need to skip the intermediary stops and exceed the speed limit to get a score less than the platinum requirement.

 

Same experience here. Also noticed in the scoring summary at end of mission under the scoring lines safety system and train setup both have “N/A” next to them every time no matter if safety systems on or off nor if the train is setup right or wrong

 

Not sure the new scoring system is even working 100%. Each time I finish a run it says N/A in the "Use safety systems" department, but I'm getting +65 points all the time anyway. Looks like someone made a code workaround so we do not get worse medals than we deserve until the new system is ready to be deployed (and I think this is better than the alternative).

 

It really does look like the so-called "Scoring 2.0" system is flat out not finished. The fact that this "feature" is in the state that it's in can only mean that none of the beta testers have played a single service of any kind-- or that their feedback was ignored entirely.

What I find especially aggravating is that the ~2 yard/metre window where a stop would still count as perfectly accurate and award the full 500 points seems to no longer be a thing. This makes doing perfect runs essentially impossible and is extremely upsetting.

EDIT: hang on, that's not it... It was the on-time bonus that was causing the penalties. Do we have to not be early to stops as well?! That's monumentally stupid and should be removed immediately. What, do you think train drivers IRL slow down before the station and drive at like 5 mph for a few minutes so as not to arrive 35 seconds early?! Imagine how dumb that would be-- and yet this is how the player must behave to get the on-time bonus now. FIX THIS.

 

I guess I am still on scoring 1.0 on ECML?

 

I really don't get DTG's insistence on making scoring a major feature when they're never able to allocate resources to bug test it. Scoring's gonna lose appeal real quick when players realize it's either piss easy or impossible to achieve high ranks.

 

I'm guessing your on playstation.
Edit: if your wondering how I know is because PS5 users seem to have glitches on the ECML what other platforms don't have.

 

Vorarlberg, S3 (5735) Breganz to St Margrethen, I scored 4006, platinum target was 2150.

I also scored 5607 against a target of 3500 on the Vorarlberg's Just Like in the Movies Scenario, 5146 vs target 4000 Dresden Diversion Scenario and 6880 vs target 5000 on Antelope's Blockbuster Scenario.

 

Incidentally, Platinum medals aren’t even available on ECML (PS5). The gold medal I’ve earned so far doesn’t show as being earned on my profile.

 

Yep I have the same glitch I think PS5 users was shipped with the wrong version of ECML.

 

I do hope for us PS5 players it's fixed before release date.

 

Well, I'm glad I don't really care about scores and medals/achievements, but I do like the new performance summary. I like to know what I've done right or wrong
It's a bit wonky right now, so I hope they patch it soon.

 

Yup the scoring system is a dud. I'm getting platinum everywhere. I do like the overview of the scoring but when you get platinum everywhere it does not even matter to review your scoring

 

Just finished my first service (Journey) on Vorarlberg and I am confused by the scoring system too.

I do not think I drove very well, yet I got a platinum (3 987 points, wheras minimum for platinum is 2 100!)

Plus, which concers me more, there is N/A in both "Used Safety Systems" and "Correct Cab Setup". I enabled safety systems (PZB, SIFA) and I don't think I set up the cab wrong...

 

You can leave safety systems off, headlights off, and you still get Platinum.
In fact, it's quite hard to not get platinum: you have to skip all the intermediate stops and speed a lot.

 

Also continuing multi-part services without going to menu seems to not save your progress - I did the two-part service to the quarry on Vorarlberg and only the first part shows as finished/awarded in the service list.

 

Yeah, so the scoring system isn't even consistent with itself.

The points in the breakdown don't add up to the final result. 500 + 20215 - 195 + 160 = 20680, not 20929. How did I even get a score ending with a 9 on a 1-stop freight run with said stop awarding 410? No idea. It just became that way at some point during one of the many times I was AFK.

It's probably obvious, but let me put a fine point on it: this table by DTG has clearly been pulled out of thin air, has zero relation to what's going on in the game, and constitutes wishful thinking at best and false advertising at worst.

 

Wipers are apparently also not recognized after changing cabs.. Surely the testers tried to actually play that scenario, right? ... Right?
Still platinum though.

 

In the interest of balance, here's 3 positive things I noticed about the new scoring system.
1) The "WAIT" tasks finally give out points. 500 of them. This should automatically fix most of the freight services that Gold wasn't obtainable on before.
2) The "Heavy Braking" penalty seems to not have materialized. Good. It shouldn't. There is simply no feedback interface a computer can provide to the player for this system to ever feel natural/fair. Until we get affordable artificial gravity, anyway.
3) The penalty for speeding is now applied in the moment of points being granted, not for speeding at any point in the previous segment. The new way makes more sense and is more intuitive: a speed camera clocks you at a certain point.

 

So one of the selling points of their "new" game was that they finally fixed the scoring system, yet they managet to make it even worse... Why am I not surprised?

 

The scoring system needs a full and thorough review before any further DLC is released or the whole system is worthless. Either get it working urgently or remove it. It’s no fun getting platinum medals so easily and it’s certainly no fun when my gold medal on ECML is not recognised in my profile totals.

 

US routes need also to score correct horn/bell usage

 

Those were platinum medals?! I thought I was getting silver and was wondering what I did wrong.

 

Its disappointing to hear there are issues with the new scoring features. They keep adding bit and bobs to the medal system but if the point thresholds for the various levels are not going to be properly tuned so as to be attainable and/or challenging I don't know why they bother with it at all.

DW

 

Don't worry everyone, DTG has heard the feedback. Looking forward to the usual "this did not meet our standards and we aim to do better in future" forum and RFTV blitz.

 

Quickly followed by "you don't have to play this game"...

 

Good take tbh
I think things are headed in the right direction with the performance summary. I do catch myself looking at it with interest after runs.
Scoring is wonky as ever, and although I understand the need to “gamify”, I sorta wish they’d do away with it. But keep the performance summary, I sorta like that. But I’m not an expert so.

 

I do find it funny i can muff multiple station stops, speed in multiple places, but still get a Platinum in timetable mode.

Yet I barely speed 3 times in a scenario and I only get Gold.

 

90% would suggest that you can't get more than 1.1x the platinum points requirement at all, so if people are doubling it then something is very wrong.

 

Could be sort of cool if the grading was based on percentile of what other users scored.

Completely ditch medals and just show what percentile your run is at.

Would be interested to see how my runs are measuring up to others. Bonus points for minimal hud, even more for no hud.

I’m sure there’s reasons why this wouldn’t work but, hey, just an idea

 

I guess most players will be bad drivers so I'm not sure if that's a good idea

 

The problem with that system is that 10 minutes after it goes live some idiot will find a way to send a score of 99999999999999 points.

 

Lmao you’re not wrong

 

Some new scenarios (International Rescue, the Flying Scotsman intro, some others I forgot) appear to straight up use the old scoring system. 30 points per segment no matter what, 500 max points per "Stop at Location" task, and, most notably, the speeding penalty is applied for speeding anywhere within the segment, not just at the points of points being awarded.

In the case of the Flying Scotsman intro, this has resulted in the Platinum medal not being obtainable. Who's surprised? Not me. Looking forward to this intro being fixed with the release of TSW6, which should be in about a year and a half.

 

Scoring system is questionable. My 5 year old son driven the 700 from the Sidings at PBO on the East Coast Mainline and got Platinum. Hit full power to start then activated the emergency stop at the station and with two coaches off the platform got the top award....

 

Alex. Tell you what. Why don't you guys sort this issue, then spend the next few months sorting out all the "This is at the top of our fix list" (2 years later, no fix) stuff. Make your user base happy. I swore I wouldn't buy TSW3, then spent almost £400 with you. I've just bought TSW4, so you KNOW you have a loyal base - even when we're unhappy. So, rather than rush out TSW5 next month ('with 2 brand NEW clouds and an extra bird sound') we'd love you guys to really get to grips with the issues that have been around for a long time. Thanks.

 

Why would they fix any of the issues when you just admitted to keep buying their trash releases, depsite knowing very well they are full of issues?

Stop buying garbage, maybe then they will stop selling garbage.

 

Indeed, I haven't purchased TSW4 and until something gives I don't think I will, shame

 

Please do sort this out pronto .It was a big selling point

 

Agreed it definatly needs looking at and a lot of refinement. Like you I was looking forward to this and it feels less impactful than the old system, there's a lot going on but It doesn't actually do very much or impact the scoring in any meaningful way. The ideas good but the execution so far is not. It needs a considerable rework. Feels like a rushed afterthought.

 

Good point Dino. I swore I wouldn't - but then I swore I wouldn't buy TSW3 when I'd only bought TSW2 the month before. Yep, you got me brother. :-(

 

We've all been there at least once, lol. I already had a bad taste in my mouth when TSW3 released. Didn't buy it either, only later got it as a present from my fiance, beacause why not. Then I did buy the locomotive bundle they released for the three main routes, but boy it was a letdown and waste of money.