Antelope Valley Freight Layers Info

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  1. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    So, here's some info on what I can see from the timetable for the layers for AVL by porting the TSW3 into TSW4 (Mind you I cant actually play the services)

    The freight layer is pretty much the same as it was seen in the stream, though now a bit more info.

    -The Baretable move is the only southbound freight train on the line.
    -All 4 services split at "Vista Canyon" however, I'm assuming they use the Lang Siding just north of the station, and not the station itself.
    -Only thing that is unknown is where the services start or end in LA.
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    -The F7 layer is just a simple 1 way run from LAUPT to Burbank, nothing really special.
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    Still unknown if there is any AI freight between the Mojave Portal and the Palmdale Cutoff portal.
     
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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Going thru the formations on god mode gives me a bit more info....
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    -As seen, there is formations for the 100 car stack trains for the freight layers, plus the 50 car ones for Gen 8 consoles.
    -There is also a handful of formations for a few of the scenerios.
    -What I find interesting is that there is a few timetable formations for tank cars, wonder where those will spawn in.
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    They showed off the timetables during the preview stream which included freight
     
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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    The direction of the baretable wasn't known, the formations show off more than what was barely mentioned in the stream.

    Also, someone on the TSC discord did find AI services between the portal to Mojave and the Palmdale Cutoff.

    Also someone isnt gonna look at that stream for an answer.
     
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  5. docsnyder1911

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    It seems there would be Manifests ("FreightMixedCargo") too.
     
  6. steamylocoman

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    Can't you spawn on foot and try to find the freight trains?
     
  7. EpilepticWeasel

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    They aren't there yet, layers won't get activated until release day.
     
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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    It crashes the game as TSW3 content isnt baked for TSW4.
     
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    Most likely missed it so will apologize in advance, but what layers are in Antelope?
     
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  11. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    So, the BNSF layers add a BNSF SD40-2 and tank cars to the Water Treatment plant near Newhall Pass, I dont know why though as you cant even access that part of the map.

    Like why?
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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, no. These freight layers are pissing me off more and more.

    Also for some reason Creators Club is glitched out and wont recognize installed DLC (Hence the blue locos)
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  13. EpilepticWeasel

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    Why is there an SD40 on the stacktrain.....
     
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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Who knows, UP isn't CSX. DTG should know that UP keeps their SD40's now in local or yard service, they aren't road power anymore.
     
  15. docsnyder1911

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    It seems that the freight trains have 50 cars only. That's not realistic. IRL the Intermodal trains there have more than 100 cars. Is this because of memory problems again?
     
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    Well on SMH they are over 100 so honestly no idea
     
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  17. Disintegration7

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    Has anyone tried any free roam freight on AVL so far? What kind of formations can you spawn?


    Really hoping for some flexibility there because clearly DTG are going backwards on US freight operations.

    I don't know if they lost a lot of staff knowledgeable about US freight during the pandemic, or what, but that's when it really seems to have gone downhill.

    The Metrolink route and trainset are really well done from what i can see, and Boston and NYT (finally) have both seen big improvements, so it's not all US content, but boy oh boy the freight side has gotten dire.
     
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    You can spawn any formation available in the scenario editor.
     
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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    It's a bit messy but it sort of works, but it still needs improvement.

    -Alot of freight cars are not spawnable solo, and the only ways you can get them is find a pre made consist with them then delete the locos/cars you don't want.

    -Cars that spawn solo are all unloaded, so centerbeams, well cars, and hoppers are all empty. Only way to get a loaded car is to again find a consist with a loaded car and delete the rest.

    -Some locos just flat out don't work when spawned it. Mainly older SD40s and GP38s.
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    I'm hoping the consist tool will fix some of these issues.
     
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  20. docsnyder1911

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    It goes backwards with freight definitely. Since Sherman Hill the intermodal trains became shorter and shorter. At Sherman Hill they were 100 cars long. At Horseshoe Curve it was around 70. And at Cajon Pass 50 or 70. And at New York Trenton there is no freight at all.
     
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  21. Blacknred81

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    There is I think a 100 car AI train on Antelope that spawns in that runs between the portal to Mojave and the Palmdale Cutoff, though it's makeup is wierd as the last few cars are all empty. (It runs in a 3x2 config) and has only SD70ACes. I've seen 1 northbound and 1 southbound spawn in.
     
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  22. Disintegration7

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    Nice pics! Really like the caboose you added!

    Sounds like some hassle, but doable for now.

    I imagine the Free Roam experience will be polished and improved. I think DTG know they have a winner on their hands with it let's hope they go the extra mile.

    I think i'm going to try to simulate a local train on NYT. I know i'll have to cheat and use the HUD for signalling but i can't resist some urban freight action lol.
     
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  23. mike#4092

    mike#4092 Active Member

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    Well, that explains why I can't use any Creators Club stuff! I like uninstalled and reinstalled the game like 3 times to no avail! I thought I did something wrong.Lol Wow...unbelievable!
     
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    They were 100 cars not over 100
     
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    Some had 102 cars and 5 locos.

    Laramie to Cheyenne at 9.30 Tankertrain

     
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