Enough Is Enough!!!

Yeah I should too ... now I feel bad.

 

Agreed. I've diverted my sim gaming budget from TSW to MSFS this past year. I get a lot of enjoyment out of that sim and it's continuously improving and has a lot to offer "out of the box".

 

Also, welcome to page 30

 

Being the old dinosaur I am, still tend to fly FSX as I love the old Level D 767 and got the PMDG MD11 up and running with a struggle. Haven't got MSFS installed currently but almost certain I'll be dropping 60 notes on the new version next year!

 

The Level D 767 was fantastic!

 

Funny enough this discussion about MSFS has me comparing TSW to the short lived Microsoft Flight where you got a bare bones area and a couple of planes and they were going to sell regions piecemeal. I remember how well that worked out for wide appeal . At least their basic Hawaii package was free to play.

 

I remember that.

Didn’t DTG have a go at a Flight Sim also???

 

Yeah. It had some innovative items, but eventually failed hard as it was nearly universally ridiculed by the flight sim community. It may not have been its reason for demise, but it probably wouldn't have achieved any kind of success.

 

Flight Sim World. Don't get me started! DTG really were in my bad books over that one. £30 for early access, they lifted it out of that phase in a most incomplete state then cancelled the project. A shame really as it essentially would have modernised FSX properly.

 

Thankfully (I guess) I didn’t have a decent enough PC at the time to invest in Microsoft Flight or Flight Sim World.

 

Microsoft Flight actually ran very well. Out of the box it ran better than FSX. If they had kept it with an open architecture like previous flight sims it may have been a great success. When you stifle the sim community's creativity you end up with a dud.

 

My money's predominantly going towards Arma 3 and Sim Racing. Now there's a real money pit!

 

Think that is pretty much the crux of it. Nothing anyone has said on this forum has given me FOMO or the urge to buy TSW4. Seems bizarre to me that people have paid a fair amount of money only to give feedback prior to the release date proper.

TSW3 is still perfectly functionable. I am probably the most casual of casual player, do a handful of routes a week so have plenty of playability left on TSW3. Will pick up TSW4 probably in a sale in 6/7 months time but in the interim it just doesn't appeal to me.

 

I'm laughing out loud to not buy TSW4 and that was a good decision. When I see a Flying Scotsman Centenary Edition being sold with no Flying Scotsman in it (if it not released yet, why sold this Edition now??). Yes, and then there are the achievements that were not even renamed for the "New Game". Great, achievements in TSW4 for TSW3. It's really sad that they are driving the Train Sim World franchise against the wall like this. Good thing I don't buy it anymore. I'd rather keep playing TSW3.

Oh and of cause the small timetables in Journey Mode because old Consoles cant handle it. Sorry... *rofl*

Well, i would feel a little bit fooled if I'd bought TSW4.

 

But you do get free comedy. So you chose wisely

 

I much prefer SCS's business model, far more ethical than DTG's. Free game updates more than once a year, with significant improvements and additions. Plus their DLC content, does not cost an arm and a leg.

 

Any word on any promised TSW3 fixes?

I know, I make myself giggle sometimes but just wondered.

 

It's night and day difference. Hence why SCS was able to grow their business and make a name for themselves by being liked by their customers. No idea why this success story wasn't copied by you know who... oh well. If you had the choice to be liked or hated, I know which one I'd choose.

 

You may get a surprise announcement in August 2024

 

Not defending anyone, but a truck simulator appeals to many more people than a train simulator which is niche. My friends don't understand the appeal, saying "so what you're doing actually in a train sim other than pushing a handle and then just watch the scenery go by...".

 

I seriously doubt that a truck simulator is inherently more appealing to the general public than a train simulator!

 

Maybe theyll look at the conference room wall a bit more..

 

Will this thread reach 100 pages before TSW5 is announced?

 

Incorrect. Neither are great appeals and would normally be niche. To the general person whether it be a train or a truck the reaction is "why the heck is this meant to be fun?". One is pushing a handle while the other is taking virtual junk across the country. The difference is only one took a community driven approach and reaped the benefits.

 

It is.

 

If you’d asked most young boys (more so than girls because truthfully the overwhelming majority just weren’t interested) when I was a lad what was on their list of things they wanted to be when they grew up I’d hazard a guess that ‘train driver’ would have featured pretty prominently. FWIW I don’t ever recall hearing a single person saying they wanted to be a truck driver. Like me, those young lads are now in their early 40’s and most are settled with differing levels of disposable income. We also grew up as the probably the first generation to properly play games so it’s in our DNA. That’s just one demographic, and a lucrative one.

It stands to reason there’s a decent market out there for train sims and DTG need to attract it, not wait for it to come to them. Personally I don’t think trains are anymore niche than cars, planes, trucks, farms etc and are lot less niche than playing at being goblins, wizards and fairies.

 

ETS2 gives you the opportunity to travel the whole of Europe in a 1:19 scale. That was the appeal to me.

And everybody knows the function of gas and brake pedals and a steering wheel.

The blue line is what classifies it as "niche". No matter how much we love trains.

 

Exactly right. The market may be out there, but it's the approach that brings people in. SCS has been a great success story in doing this.

 

Completely agree. There's a garage simulator thats selling pretty well. House flipper, there's actually, and I love this, a jetwash simulator...
There's a market for this stuff. Its bonkers but I love it.

 

Its beholden on us to periodically drop in here and ruminate. Only with a near constant outpouring of semi-relevant nonsense will we scale the summit..

 

It is one thing to point out that in comparison from Truck Sims to Train Sims....

-Truck driving is much simpler than driving a train.
-Truck sims dont have 1:1 scale maps or time.
-SCS has their games split between ATS and ETS2, while DTG has everything in 1 game.
-Truck driving isnt as restrictive as a railroad, some can be an owner operator and drive on any highway, you have to be hired onto a railroad and are stuck running a specific route.

In other words SCS's games are much more open to the general public than a train sim is, which is why they have much success and a larger player base (Though if you read thru the forums, they are just as an unhappy bunch as we are)

 

It was the appeal to you - was it the appeal to the general public? I remember when ETS2 first took off among people outside the simulator scene all the talk was about the game's management aspects - there was certainly a lot of bafflement that truck driving was something people would want to simulate.

 

Plus you're pulled in by upgrading your truck, buying a garage and all the other stuff, also listening to truckerfm in game is kind of cool. In VR its a very relaxing way to pass the time..

 

That just shows ETS, as a game, offers more.

Do you think ETS would be this popular if it would require you piece europe together DLC by DLC? Then buy a new re-release every year when bugfixes arrive?
Or if you couldn't drive at night due to the headlights not working properly?

ETS is simply more popular because it's a good game. Not because the truck genre is more polular.

 

Don't underestimate our foe, the TSW5 is coming fast!

 

I would have to respectfully disagree here. TSW was built specifically to be accessible to a broader audience. You can be as open or closed as you desire with safety systems. Your main restriction would be a red light just like a train barrier across the road would be restrictive to a truck. Both games play well with a controller, however a truck does offer easier access to more realistic hardware like a wheel. Whether open road driving along or going via rail and watching the scenery go by, the experiences can be fairly similar on a chill style of gaming level. In terms of graphics, it's not like SCS is blowing people's minds with the look of their games. Just like TSW it looks nice for the most part. It's just that ETS2/ATS simply performs better due to its simplicity as a "sim light" game (I still put TSW in a "sim medium" category, but certainly not heavy).

 

At this point the truck genre is probably more popular... thanks to them. I really wish somebody would go big on rail sim like they did with MSFS... MSTS2 perhaps?

 

I know thisll start a speculation frenzy and some creative interpretations that would put the Cayman Island accountants to shame, but here goes anyway..

 

I think it's still too early for charts. They'll tell a story in a few weeks though.

 

True. Its more curiosity really. Maybe it might prove a realignment opportunity... high quality simulations. Like the poster says..

 

Was that really from their office? Omitted from that is anything with regards to establishing good relations with their customers and future customers. Time for a new poster (and CEO) me thinks.

 

Enough is enough!

I need your support here, it seems not a lot of players care abou this bug, which really makes me wonder if that route is still being played.

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/tsw4-gwe-wipers-broken.74060/

 

Maybe they'll tell you to play this TSW2 route in TSW2 if you want wipers

Just kidding. Feel bad for you as I feel the frustrations. Hopefully you'll get a resolution in the near term. I voted like on your issues in case it helps.

 

In TSW3 I could revert the patch using Steam console to download the previous .pak. As it's a virgin on TSW4, I can't anymore.

I was quite happy yesterday, now I'm pissed again. Shouldn't let a game manipulate my mood this way.

It's frustrating how quickly the moderators jump on the easy stuff, like that training center guy. I mean who cares?

 

Well, Google maps with associated photos. I was curious to get a sense of the scale of the company, office space, corporate look etc.

 

I mean, that's how SCS is doing ATS, since aside from California, Arizona, and Nevada you have to buy each state individually (Or in packs). Though all truck DLC's are free, and SCS is reworking the base maps. So points to them to update older maps.

 

That made me smile

 

LOL I was thinking this too, except that for anyone to be surprised after everything that has occurred, well, it wouldn't be a very good look for them! In reality every new DLC between now and next summer should come with a disclaimer: any bug fixes and other improvements to be available (if at all) in next paid version.