Before i uninstall the entire TSW4 and reinstall for 3-4 hours, i wanted to ask if the substitution works fine for everybody? For some reason there is something very wrong with that on my routes. For example on NTP, the class 40 didnt spawn a single time -> only 45s and 47s. Same if i choose railtours at Cathcarth Circle, only the 47 are spawning. So i decided to have a look on the german routes about this, and see on Bremen oldenburg, not a single 187 spawns, while there in TSW 3 was a healthy mix of substitution i only get locos which belong to the route (tons of 155 etc). Is there something wrong with my build or is there really something messed up in TSW4? (i have all dlcs installed)
To be serious, what System are you playing on? I also have the feeling that on Xbox Series S it has also become much rarer to see a Substitute
Im on PC, but in the begin when TSW4 didnt recognize my addons it flushed the update right into my playing session and everything startet to lag around, so im not sure its from that. I have already veryfied my files, but there is clearly something wrong. I spent 6 hours in a NTP session for some pathing tests etc, not a single cl.40 from the Heavy freight pack spawns. The only exceptions were the double headed services which only included the 40s. The addons per se work all fine, just the substitution is messed up as hell.
I just did two Vectron Service on Dresden-Riesa and didn't come across any substitutes on the way. All Freight Trains were pulled by the BR 185.5 or by a BR 143. I have installed almost all of the German DLC and I haven't encountered any Locomotives other than those from Dresden-Riesa itself
I have reinstalled the entire thing yesterday, nothing has changed. Content is running well, but the substitution isnt working at all. Seems 99% the routes choose the belonging base locomotives. - 4x BR 155 on BRO I noticed if i select a loco via timetable and show the departure times, then when spawning on foot it has a direct influence because this very loco will appear. NO idea what parameters are involved in choosing the subs, but currently only a few appear very very rare. For example after 20x restart on Bremen oldenburg finally a dispolok spawned, right then 7 other trains had it in front.. Crlearly there is something very wrong currently.
Did you also have this Problem in TSW3? Because I strongly assume it has something to do with the Add-on Manager and Playstation already had it there.
Same issue on PC. I did a late IC service on DRA and out of 4 freight trains, 3 had 185 MRCE and one 143. That was all, no Vectron no 182, no 185 RP or Traxx 3 that where quite common before. Substition does not appear to be working compared to TSW3 where almost each freight train had a diff loco and also using the custom liveries.
Im asking me why the mrce 185.5 wasnt set up for subbing in the voralberg route. Seems to me DTG is / was aware of the problem even before the release
With a problem like this im not even considering to buy more dlcs on sale. I think they are busy with a huge pile of bugs (all the reported things) and not enough time to resolve them.
I just did an ICE Service on Dresden-Riesa. (4:19 p.m. From Dresden to Riesa, Weather Dynamic, Start very cloudy on March 6th) and to my surprise, shortly after I set off, a BR187 came towards me. So a guess, it could be that Substitution has not been deactivated but has just become extremely rare
I remember Maik Goltz stating somewhere that substitutions caused timetabling issues due to different loco specs - maybe they're working on that?
Seriously i still get DB204 pull heavy freight on DRA and occasionally Vectrons. But yes 90% of them are 185.5 And 9% are 143(with custom liveries most of the time) and 1% 204 and 193. Never seen any other loco ever after TSW4 update.
Its still not working at all. i have been doing some runs on KSW and MSB and the same old red 185 shows up for al freight trains. I haven't notice one single Taurus in red or MRCE livery, not one 187 or even an 185 in MRCE or the new Railpool livery from the Tharandter Rampe and no BR 155! . In TSW3 these routes had an assorted mix of locomotives just as i mentioned before. I guess we can scratch off substitution as a feature for TSW4. Might return in TSW5
Thank you; this is a tricky one for us to diagnose, but the team is working on it. We had a tentative improvement in before Christmas, but it looks like you're still having issues. Can I ask which platform you're playing on, please?
I‘m on Xbox Series S and this issue is very obvious at DRA. I own every German route and Loco, and on TSW 3 there was a big range of locos appearing on freight services. With the updated version of DRA in TSW4 it seems that mainly BR 143, sometimes a Vectron and the black 185.2 are used for freight. Yesterday I’ve spotted a red Railion 185 for the fist time. But this was an absolute exception. I thought that the substitutions had been changed for TSW4 in order to avoid technical problems like crashes on this route. Didn’t thought it was a bug. I experience the same issue on SKW, only red 185 and Vectrons are used there. And sadly SKW is nearly unplayable for me because the game crashes there in 9 of 10 runs.
Hi DTG JD Thanks for the reply! I am on Steam. Is there anything we can do on our side to assist the team in solving this issue?
Thanks for confirming. At the moment, the team are still investigating. If you see instances of it not working though in the way you'd expect (or, as has happened in previous TSW titles), please add them to this thread and we'll inform the team.
Oke I will do that ! P.s. We miss the streams with you DTG JD Update : German routes so far where substitution is not working properly for freight locos for me compared to TSW2/TSW3 - Steam edition Rhein Ruhr Osten - Only default BR 185 MRCE Ruhr Sieg Nord- Stock BR 185 (I think red Railion?) + 143 Main Spessart Bahn- Stock BR 185 Haupstrecke Rhein Ruhr - Stock BR185 + some 143 Koln-Aachen - Only Vectrons (and all of them had creator club liveries) and Traxx 3 (BR 187), without any other loco Munich - Augsburg - Only Br 185 Railion Except the routes where the following come as stock locos, so far i am missing the following as substitutions for Freight: Traxx 185 in MRCE livery, Taurus 182 Red or other livery, Traxx 3 (BR187), BR155, Vectron. Hope this helps, i will update if i encounter the issue on other routes.
There was another thread about substitution just before Christmas, copying over my post from there: I did an experiment just yesterday on this, on West Somerset I loaded into Minehead at a time when three trains are present (One service and two in the sidings) and repeatedly restarted to see what subbed in. The vast majority of the time it was either WSR's own Class 47 or 52 with one appearance from the 33. As far as subs from other routes goes, the NTP Class 45 was there pretty frequently, at one point appearing as both locos in the sidings. There was also one appearance of the Class 40 on the active service. So basically one loco subbed in a lot, there was a one off appearance of the 40, and that left the 31, 33, two 37 variants and four 47 variants that made no appearance, not counting custom liveries. As far as I can tell substitution might have been fixed to a degree, but it's barely a noticeable difference and still nowhere even close to how it was in prior TSW games.
With the latest june update it was logged, that the vectron + the 1116 substitution is working now on semmering and vorarlberg. Im on pc, and didnt see a single vectron substitute in semmering...(same problem persists as before) Also didnt see a single 1116 subbing into vorarlberg. I guess it was just made "selectable" from the menu, but thats not substitution.... Why DTG are you botching the most important feature of tsw and activly ignoring it?
FWIW: I've stumbled over a DB BR 204 in the Lübeck Yard on HBL waiting for shunting service at 11:30. I suppose substitution for a BR 363. That came as a surprise since it's been a long time I don't see the 204 on any route other than MSB. Go figure ...
Hmm that's very interesting. On the subject of HBL, this routes does seem to have more interesting substitution than most, for example the 143 and even the 110 - even if not very realistic - has appeared for AI services at Hamburg while the Dispolok 182, which I seem to rarely see overall in TSW, comes sometimes which is good for variety. Overall, there is still a major substitution problem. A few examples: - Dresden Riesa: Nearly every freight service is an MRCE 185 or 143 - Maintalbahn: The 612 now hardly ever appears as AI while the 628 never has - BR 187: With exception of its home route, this loco now never appears as AI on any other route
Yup and DTG keeps pretending "everything is fine" - Try to find the vectron on semmering, haha it never appeares - try to find the 1116 on vorarlberg, haha it never appears They even lied straight in the update log, where they climed this has been added. Infact they just made them selectable in the service menu. But thats not substitution. Im pised about this very much since it kills the entire variety and has its cause probably at the stupid addon manager, where DTG tried to solve a ps5 limit and incresded it to a major core problem spreaded along all platforms now. I just know this was well working with tsw3 and DTG is hiding something here. But hey, im just buying all their content at 80% discount without annoyance. Quick news from my side: tsw5 will be a straight skip.
