Geml Vs Wcml For 1st Uk Ac Locos And Emus

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  1. WCML

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  2. GEML

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  1. aaronthomas1a

    aaronthomas1a Active Member

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    Now that we got the ECML in train sim I been thinking what is you all want to have some AC locos and EMUS that is GMEL or WCML what I mean is boths have some of the same units to make for tsw like Class 86, 90, 92, 317 and 321 as they went on both lines I also made a poll of what you want the most
     
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  2. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    GEML for East Anglia,
     
  3. Trainiac

    Trainiac Well-Known Member

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    WCML any era post steam
     
  4. AtherianKing

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    WCML Class 390 for me, I wouldn’t turn down GEML though.
     
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  5. AirbourneAlex

    AirbourneAlex Well-Known Member

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    Probably should belong in the suggestions category, but for AC locos then WCML would be my choice. Something along the lines of the WCML Over Shap route from TSC with a Class 86 or Class 87 from Preston to Carlisle would be fantastic.

    Lots of wonderful routes we can fantasise about, but realistically we're unlikely to see many such suggestions come to fruition anytime soon as there simply isn't enough developers working on TSW to produce said routes (especially more niche ones like 1960's- 90's AC electrics). Tap changers would be good fun though!
     
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  6. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    WCML. Easily the best choice for AC content, also helped by the fact DTG have WMR, AWC and BR in the game
     
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  7. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    WCML South with TSC WCML over Shap trains. Remember to wind down Classes 80-87 under neutral sections fun part 155 MPH runs on APT Class 370
     
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  8. Rail Runner

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    Modern day WCML from Euston to Rugby would be a good addition. Considering you have such a busy section around London, you could include parallel running with the Bakerloo, Class 390, Class 350 and a class 92 for freight and for Caledonian sleeper.
    Class 86 for railtour as DLC, plus other layers are very possible.
     
  9. Taihennami

    Taihennami Well-Known Member

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    Now that we have a section of the ECML, there is already at least some scope for Class 90 & 91, which are still in service and would fit right in next to the Azumas. Indeed, the ECML is the only place you would regularly see the 91 in action.

    The 90 comes in two principal variations - the original mixed-traffic design with all the passenger features intact, and a "freight only" version which was deliberately hobbled to prevent locos nominally allocated to the freight Sectors from being "poached" by the passenger ones. The main changes to the latter were to remove the corridor rubbing plate and ETH supply cables, and to disable the upper section of the cruise control (beyond 75mph) - I don't think there was actually a change to the traction gearing. I also think some locos have had the passenger equipment put back in, to allow for spot hire. Electric-hauled freight is, for practical reasons, mostly restricted to Freightliner containerised traffic in the UK; this could be improved considerably if only the Government would pull their finger out and fill in the wires for some of the key freight routes.

    There isn't much use of the 90 on passenger services since they were replaced on the GEML, and the "Pretendolino" no longer runs - basically operators don't think much of 110mph loco-hauled running when 125mph is available and EMUs are now 110mph capable. So I think this would be a prime contender for a BR Sectors Era route concept. The great thing about BR Sectors is that they were mostly not geographically constrained (the notable exceptions being the ScotRail arm of Regional Railways, and of course Network SouthEast), so you can easily use stock built for one route on another set in the same era, without even needing to reskin them. It's also relatively easy when it comes to brand licencing (I'm reasonably sure Dovetail already have the necessary agreements with whatever's left of BRB). In this era there were also still 86s and 87s in widespread use for both passenger and freight, and I think these would make an excellent combined "tap changer" pack.

    As for a route choice, I'm going to be completely unreasonable and suggest an ambitious, diamond-shaped "network" area bounded by Crewe, Liverpool, Preston, and Manchester Piccadilly. These four major stations are already in-game in some form. The electrified routes connecting them offer a mixture of both fast running (Crewe to Preston) and more challenging routes (Crewe to Liverpool, or to Manchester via Stockport), with a decidedly mixed-traffic and intensively used railway. There's a major Freightliner terminal at Speke, with a rare example of facilities to shunt container trains into the terminal using electric traction - but be careful not to run the pantograph off the end of the wire!
     
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  10. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    West Coast Mainline!
    Would love to see a Class 390 in Avanti West Coast livery! A class 350 would also be brilliant to see has dtg have proved they have and can get the sounds for that! :)
     
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  11. OldVern

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    WCML, preferably over Shap and in the early 80’s with Class 86 or 87 and before push pull era with DVT’s.
     
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  12. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    Provided the route comes with AC locos rather than 390, 350 or 745 tosh I would take either as I'd love to see some old electrics in game. I did go for GEML though as there is a representation of part of the WCML in game already and although the eastern Region has a route East Anglia doesn't.
     
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  13. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Where????? The bit at bakerloo doesn't count. There isn't really any drivable section of the WCML in the game. Unless you count being able to look around Glasgow Central and Preston. Even then there are no drivable services onto the WCMl there. We have alot of the stations. But we certainly don't have the route.
     
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  14. TrainGeek08

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    I voted for the West Coast Mainline (WCML) because I would like to see Class 86s and Class 87s in BR Blue (which would please those who like BR routes) but if that wasn't possible in any way, I would definitely take a Pendolino on any section of the WCML.

    On the flip side though, like matt#4801 has said above, the GEML has not been represented in TSW before and you could have your Class 86s in Anglia Railways livery and also Class 312s for First Great Eastern (remember them?). I think that would make a great route :)

    I wouldn't mind if either were made whether it is AC Electrics like Class 86s/87s or Class 90s or modern units like the Class 390s, Class 745s etc.
     
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  15. Taihennami

    Taihennami Well-Known Member

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    Crewe to Weaver Jn is WCML proper, and the branch from there to Lime Street is generally considered part of the WCML network. It's just modelled in the steam era rather than electrified.
     
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  16. Steuerwagen

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    WCML carlisle to glasgow/edinburgh set slightly back in late 2019/early 2020 with a AWC 390 and TPE 350 (could also have a DRS 68/88 or FL 90 as a dlc to make freight more interesting) would be beautiful.
    or something older like WCML preston-carlisle set in the early 1990s/late 1980s with Intercity 86/87 and a 90 or APT dlc would be nice too
     
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  17. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    As said above SoS is on the WCML.
     
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  18. I would dearly love West Coast over Shap in the full entirety of TSC (branches etc)....
     

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