Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! It's Almost The 3 Year Anniversary

A real person, stating an opinion.

You didn't have to reply, or acknowledge what I said. You could have easily ignored it.

 

He didn't quote or acknowledge in any way. If you look carefully, deeuu#6908 was quoting me in his response, and I likewise was quoting someone else.
Does anyone bother to read anything in this thread?
Oh the Irony of the infinite time loop......
See you on page 45 deeuu#6908!!

 

This very much reads like you are creating new accounts to agree with yourself, I'm not sure that is the best approach.

 

Some people at war with Kant (Yeah, Whom?)

I think we should get our causality chain straight here: There might be few exceptions, but I´m convinced that the overwhelming majority of forum members visit and participate on these forums with the best of their intentions. What causes all this negativity are the somewhat economical interpretations of business ethics and moral standards on DTG side.

The forum is just a reflection of it.

Action ----> Reaction.
Cause ----> Effect.

Simple, really.

 

Only the hard of thinking would think you have to purchase every piece of DLC. Anyone with a semblance of a whit about them would surely celebrate the amount of variety available and the fact you can pick and choose what you want! Still if it suits someones argument........

 

1st off like to add I'm not a bot, well i don't think i am but I'm sure the wife would disagree on some level . 2nd so far far most of the reply's have just reinforced what i said earlier, why be helpful when you can attack/be-little any poster who does not agree with your own version of reality, 3rd yes i did read the entire thread where some people made very good points and even dare i say it recommendations, my post was mainly focused on the modern toxic environment that exists in many forums including this one, which brings me to my final point, i bet there are tons of people that read these threads on a daily bases and never post or reply because god forbid they have an opinion that differs from the small minority of keyboard warriors with the loud voices, i wont name names or point fingers as i outgrew that behaviour about 45yrs ago.
p.s. just to clarify have DTG made mistakes, god yes and lots of them, but how do you help them get better by name calling and generally being abusive to there staff and other members of this forum?

Take Care
Gary

 

How do you help them get better by there being zero consequences to their incompetent actions? Beyond walking away (which if you genuinely want a good product isn't an option), shouting at them is all there is.
If I had the power I'd sit them all on the naughty step and make them think about what they've done but sadly my appointment to "Dad of the world" hasn't come through yet.

 

No idea why you think that.

 

You've already told us who you really are (erm, like we didn't already know anyway) so I think it's time to drop this whole charade before it becomes even more boring than it currently is

 

You do realise you are making false accusations, right?

 

Do you know why that is?, ok, some of it is the anonymity the internet brings, but a lot of it is down to the way that everything is so half-arsed these days, no one is a craftsman any more, the focus is on the minimum amount of effort for the maximum return, and people like yourself enable that.

There are some very legitimate issues with DTG, one of those is the continual blowing smoke up the ass of people who complain about bugs "this will be fixed" and "we will do better" are terms that have been over used over the years, and people have, quite rightly had a gut full of it.

You can bang on about keyboard warriors and other such nonsense, but the bottom line is, the complaints are legitimate.

 

Question for SimRail users: Do they have any plans to expand into other places in the world, such as UK or US? Or might we see an Australia Route from them? Asking out of ignorance because I know nothing about the developer other than the current route is in Poland. Thanks

 

I was replying to what he said.

The second paragraph wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.

 

In Development is US and DE route, see SimRail topic for more details

 

That was not my argument but rather the fact that DTG has a generally bad image outside of it's own player base.

 

Care to share any examples?

 

It's been quite a while since I watched some SimRail stuff but after having a peek at a couple of the more recent post-patch streams I'm genuinely speechless at how much it's progressed over the past year....and now understand why people are starting to pay a lot more attention to it.
Above everything else though, it just goes to show exactly what can be achieved by spending time developing a product instead of churning out endless overpriced DLC's.

12 months ago I'd have confidently said that, where SimRail is concerned, Dovetail Games didn't really have much to be concerned about....but now? Hmm, maybe time for them to think about resurrecting that fishing game or sinking a few extra quid into Tramsim or another dull board game in order to balance those books. Better to be safe than sorry, eh!

 

I realise it wasn't your argument.

Howeve if others are using infelicitous and disingenuous arguments to sully DTG's reputation then that speaks volumes about them and isn't something I would take any notice of. It seems you can say anything on the internet often without consequences and that something is repeated as fact.

On the old steam forums every week there would be a new post moaning about the cost of TSC DLC, and every week there would be the same response "you don't have to buy it all". It didn't stop the idiocy though. And that is going back ten years when there was a far smaller volume of it then, than now.

I base my own views of DTG and TSW and TSC on my own experiences and frankly I don't particularly worry what others think about them, I would only worry if it was clearly causing a problem to DTG and possibly the future of their products.

 

Totally agree, and put more eloquently than i was able to do LOL.

Take Care
Gary

 

Some people discuss the game. Some people discuss other people...

 

Train Simulator was released in 2007 (as Rail Simulator) and since then has been getting continuous updates and content additions. Very few games have had 16 years of that, and naturally there will be a lot of content available for the game. Similarly, few games have as much variety of content as Train Simulator. However, as mentioned earlier the intention unlike other games was never to own all of the DLC, at least for the past twelve years or so. You buy what you want and play what you want. There are hundreds of DLCs I own because I want them, and there are hundreds I don't want and will never think of buying. Quite frankly, the '$10,000 of DLC' argument is only valid to people who have no interest in this game or simulators in general and then have no understanding of why it is this way. The value of an expensive car only makes sense to someone who has at least a passing interest in cars, as an alternate explanation.

 

My argument to anyone complaining about the quantity of DLC was that they must become very upset when they go into a book shop or a restaurant... How am I going to read ALL of these? How will eat ALL of this?
The problem is that they have been convinced that DLC are required parts of the game and without them it is incomplete. So they MUST buy everything, FOMO, etc. How will they enjoy playing without the latest AK47 Christmas wrapping paper skin and the purple striped beanie hat?
Gamers who understand how a simulation platform works don't have this issue - flight sims have been doing it for years.

 

Half-Life has just gotten its 25th Anniversary Update.

 

I think we can probably all agree some people are just stupid.

 

Searchlight Simulations is handling a US Canadian Pacific route set in Minnesota.

Locos are at least the EMD SD70ACU and potentially the GE AC4400CW



Its also worth noting after DTG's TSC botchup update yesterday, that Anthony Wood of SS has uninstalled TSC, so at least him from the SS team is probably now only focused on SR.

 

Seems a bit childish to me... "Peace out to your dead game" and "half baked lionel train experience" are the sort of things I'd say when I was in the sixth form. I guess we won't be getting the third wagon pack then, I was looking forward to that.

 

From what he said in the TSC discord, only he is done with TSC, so the freightcar pack will probably be moved to someone else in the group.

 

For today, mentioned US route, german route Dresden-Gorlitz, extend of recent route to Kraków and Łódź

 

With the SimRail update this week, there’s no contest. SimRail is definitely at a higher level than TSW. The only advantage TSW has is the amount of content. But SimRail is clearly better quality by a healthy margin. Hopefully this can start some healthy competition and inspire better effort from DTG. Otherwise, I’ll keep my fingers crossed and hope SimRail eventually adds content that can replace my favorite TSW routes.

 

Unfortunately, the existence of Simrail has not yet led to a rethinking of the quality of DTG.

 

SimRail focuses on multiplayer, does it not? TSW doesn't. They attract different audiences.

And from what I've seen here from SimRail, to me TSW looks better (minus the obvious issues).

 

SimRail will be adding a timetable mode though in the future and improving the single player. Also simrail is in early access still.

 

Yeah, but until then, TSW will come out top.

Anyone who says SimRail will kill TSW is thinking too far ahead. As far as anyone knows, it could be worse than TSW.

 

I don't think it will kill tsw. I don't want it to. But simrail is showing great promise and is looking like it can be an alternative to tsw once the full game releases

 

As good as SimRail looks, it definitely also appears to fall short in some areas. Plus, I can't see them coming out with UK content, so while it's interesting, it's ultimately not for me.

 

Well, I'm interested only in single player, however instead of getting Niddertalbahn, which I planned to get the next for TSW3, I got SimRail instead (not yet installed).

 

Simrail does look good but not as good as TSW in my opinion, and I wouldn't really say it is really any better than TSC not when using the enhancements you can get for TSC.

TSW introduced me to non-UK routes, however UK routes are still where my main interest lies, so without UK routes then I won't be showing any interest in Simrail, I get enough of a fix with TSC and TSW.

Also the lack of timetable mode is also a negative point.

 

I didn't say anything about those interested in single player not buying it.

 

It was about attracting different audiences, basing it on SimRail focusing on multiplayer, isn't it? Maybe I should have quoted it originally this way:

 

While I enjoy Simrail, until both of these points are addressed, it's not a competitor for me personally. The singleplayer timetable mode especially is a hard requirement.

 

At times TSW feels like it should be Early Access!

 

Yeah, especially when even the developers themselves refer to certain features as "this is still pretty much in alpha stage".

 

Recently it gets a few days of so called "Early Access" each year, like those couple of days would change much for the "full" release (but it's actually just a marketing thing to get more pre-orders, nothing more). A more proper Early Access where you'd expect some significant fixes implemented for the full release would last for at least a month.

 

The passengers agree

 

That’s a shame you don’t use mods as some as them really do improve the look and feel of the game.

Shamelessly advertising my mod here but the signal improvements really make a difference.

Though at the end of the day, things like this really should be in the game as standard.

 

Yeah, I can't actually play TSW4 without your signal mod anymore.

 

The list of issues reported and logged

 

Good point tbh

 

I noticed that SimRail did take a long pause recently to upgrade their game engine. For free. Their developers must be starving given the arguments of DTG defenders. Also if you want a chuckle, look at the number one review of SimRail on Steam

 

It basically is without the label on it. I believe someone at DTG mentioned they don't like the Early Access method, yet they're basically following that model without the label. Hence, expect more frustrated customers.