And why on earth didn’t he have a backup. If you have a big installation full of third party content, that’s quite an investment, and yet he didn’t? It’s like people who never think about backing their digital family pictures up, and when the harddrive finally chashes, bam, gone! I’ve been saying it for years, and astonishingly there was a thread here about a year ago, where someone vehemently disagreed that backups were necesary. Have people learned now? If you have something valuable on your computer, BACK IT UP!
I think if you have anything installed on TSC which is anything other than something downloaded through steam, especially mods or something you are creating yourself then not to have at least one back up of your contents and assets folder is careless and down to you. Obviously this chaotic update has caused a lot of problems and I should imagine there are investigations going on at DTG. Thankfully I haven't had time for train simming this week so haven't started steam. I have around three back-ups of TSC installations, one going back to around 2020.
Tell me if I am wrong, but Isn't that a post from 2013. Its easy to be wise after the event, but same answer though, always have a back up.
I'm hoping the core gets updated to the point where the Portsmouth Direct Line actually gets reasonable performance. Between 20-25fps isn't exactly great, especially when most of the other routes get somewhere between 60-90fps on my PC.
The Portsmouth Direct Line (Waterloo) is certainly one of the top routes in terms of detail, but they overshot. I absolutely recommend using the PDL optimization patch available from ATS, which improves performance a lot without visually degrading the route noticeably. https://alanthomsonsim.com/downloads/pdl-portsmouth-direct-line-waterloo-portsm-optimization-patch/
Yes, indeed I found it odd it specifically mentioned TS2014, but the post was published on 1st December 2013. If you read the post, they did: I do wonder what it was now.
How can steam wipe out a backup? I mean surely the idea of a back up is to keep it away from the install? Although not sure if it's mentioned but you can have a source folder outside of Railworks - and Blueprint editor should recognise it (so not in the folder = less chance of it being removed - I mentioned in the past and was told that i was wrong - but it does work ) (ignore GTA V on there - I think i've played an entire 5 minutes on this PC ) Edit - proof
I already downloaded it, and saw very little difference. For reference my system is a Ryzen 5 3600, 1660 Super and 16GB 3200MHz RAM on dual channel mode and the game is installed on an SSD, so whilst the system isn't brand new, if it can get a constant 60fps with Red Dead Redemption 2 on near max settings, TSC shouldn't be an issue! I do know it's largely down to the ancient core of the simulation itself.
I think it's also the Class 444 which plays a role. This is one of the most detailed locos, check out how the cab is modelled, the switches, the telephone cable. It's looking better than some TSW cabs.
I do think that plays a part, although it's definitely at least partly the route itself. I tried a quick drive with a Class 421 and I did see higher frame rates, but still less than I see on other routes. However, I do also drive the 444 on the Southampton to Bournemouth route and get over 60fps on that, so I do wonder how much of a difference that is making.
I must say i call b..l on steam wiping a backup. Either he didn’t really have a backup, or he is not observing the basic rules of “how to backup”.
Just taking a 4CIG out of Waterloo, game runs at (capped) 75 FPS using the patch. (Max settings) This is a QD with no AI - high framerates, so it's not the route.
I was getting nowhere near that with the same train on a QD, but I'm wondering perhaps how much the clock speed of your CPU is helping with that? I see you have a 12th gen i9 and I have read somewhere about although in the real world these days CPU clock speed is less of a factor, it can make quite a difference in TSC due to how old it is.
Check my post history, I just added in another thread. Short version, they must have corrupted the DLC list config file accidentally. They also uploaded changes, which looks like a new route and a train.
Agreed. I ran a few quick drives previously and there was plenty of stuttering and trouble. Since I'm creating my own mini scenarios, there are no problems. So the trains definitely add to the trouble. Once I tried 2x2 supersampling on the Northeast Corridor (carefully chose an old route which might afford it), I was very happy with the overhead lines and trees, until two trains came into view - it felt weird, even the simulation slowing down, and it was down to 25-35 fps. The Amfleet is relatively detailed, but still. However, the route is extremely dense, which can become an issue if everything is turned to eleven. Supersampling, ambient occlusion, 4K, best shadows, reflections, projected headlights, and the forest areas become a recipe for disaster.
Very thankful I saw the many posts about this broken update before I've even had a chance to let TSC update. I constantly backup my install as I have tons of custom stuff I would be devastated to lose (okay, dramatic but you get the idea...) I understand a new update to the broken update was released that fixes the issue of it wiping your DLC and TSC install. I will still double and triple check I have everything backed up the way I want before I even think about opening TSC and letting it update. This begs the real question though... how on planet earth is this allowed to happen time and time again with updates? The last TSW core update broke a bunch of stuff that required it to be rolled back. Now this TSC update wipes the entire game and DLC and makes it completely unplayable. Aren't these updates quality control tested? Aren't there ways of making sure the update is good to go before pushing it out? How is it missed that an update has this many issues that wipe the entire core game? I feel like there would be a way of knowing that before hand. To make matters worse, a post from Jamie in another thread says DTG wasn't even aware an update was going out...? I'm so confused at this point. I literally do not understand it at all. Make it make sense.
I swore off this drama queen forum but I have to post. I got the download. I experienced the inability to get TSC to load. I then saw the next D/L happening. I waited until it was done. Nothing was lost nothing was messed up. All is well. A mistake happened and it was quickly fixed. [EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]
You were better off just staying off of here then. You couldn't stand not having your voice heard and just needed to add a comment when you're otherwise quiet. Accusing people of being drama queens and to get medical help does absolutely nothing other than make you look extremely arrogant and rude. You succeeded in that but not in trying to get a point across you were trying to make. There's a valid reason to make the comments made in this thread as we are all paying customers of a product and expect a certain level of professionalism. The fact DTG wasn't even aware this update was being pushed out and how that could even happen in the first place is cause for concern. So please don't come on here and act high and mighty like we're the ones who "need help". Sometimes it's best to just not say anything and remain quiet. This was one of those times.
Summary of this thread: DTG fecked up but do you know what? You're the one to blame because you underestimated their level of incompetence and didn't have a backup. Hillarious
There's lots of other reasons why you should make a backup of something so expensive as your custom TSC collection. Not only updates or verifications, a hardware defect also comes when you least expect it. It's of no matter who's to blame, if it's DTG or higher forces. Blaming someone won't get your lost data back. Make backups. Nuff said.
Going to fix a backup today. Took me 14 hours to restore everything(490 Gb). 8 hours the coregame with all the routes I have and another 6 hours all the third party routes. So now I am going to do a backup with everything I have with TSC.
I do wonder why people have such massive installations, do you really use all that stuff? I regularly uninstall what isn’t my current interest. It makes backup and other tasks so much easier. I suspect TSC runs faster too.
For those of us not ‘in the know’ so to speak, the worry is the amount of cross-dependency that might exist between different pieces of 3rd party stock. Also the benefit of uninstalling ‘old stock’ is fairly limited as it is the newer, high quality stuff that tends to take up the most file space. TSC has desperately needed something as powerful and useful as the MSTS ‘Trainstore’ for a while now but I’m not holding my breath.
TSC won't run faster. Each scenario only loads the dependencies it needs, regardless of how big your asset folder is. Removing routes and therefore scenarios will only improve startup time, when the Scenario Database is processed for the Drive Menu. Removing assets will improve loading times for the QD loco selection only. (As all asset folders are scanned for preload consists) Storage should not be an issue today. My installation is 750GB on a dedicated 1TB RailWorks SSD and in order to be able to play any workshop scenario I want, I have never removed a single asset folder ever. They don't slow you down. The specified route/scenario dependencies are protecting TS from being slowed down, and were introduced for exactly this reason instead of always loading everything you own.
Because the only effect it seems to have is loading time which is not that long anyway. I have so many liveries, mods and AP packs, it really isn’t worth the effort of uninstalling what I’m not currently using. It would take more time than just waiting for it to load. I just find it easier to keep one backup of everything as I go. Then if I do get a forced Steam File verification (or DTG mess something up again). I’m back up and running with everything within an Hour. Each to their own though. Different things work for different people.
It's a bit difficult to keep track of what I should have and what I shouldn't. I have considered to remove DLC I finished, or only install DLC I wish to start. But each PC has its own list, so only remove works, and even that requires a spreadsheet. I also couldn't copy my installation to another PC so I will need a fresh install which is automatically full. Silly argument but I'm still haunted by ISP traffic limits. They are not enforced anymore but last time I checked it was still 100 GB per month. There are also some potential errors with missing assets, and unexpected dependencies. I also like to mix and match DLC and I like to occasionally return to run something on an old route. For example, when I decide to play and photograph the SW1500 or GP9 pack, I will want to visit a set of routes. Currently I can't even list good shunting routes except All Aboard. The day when Rascal & Cottonwood is lucrative. Quite seriously, weather updates during recent years made old routes so much more enjoyable. Plus my own skill with photos. For example I'm quite happy with my set from this spring on the SDJR but easily 90% of the old ones are LOVE. That's a bit of motivation to revisit.
