Cargo Line Volume 1 - Questionable New Pack From Skyhook

Nowt wrong with a bit of variety as long as the price is right.

Mk2 air cons next please!

 

Two classes of loco which span almost 5 decades worth of ops both BR and private. Could fit on most routes old and new. Mind you it's took years and a 3rd party just to get a Large Logo 47 so not holding breath. Tank wagons would be much more appealing if something moderately interesting existed to haul them. Red 66s finished off 31s, 33s 37s in.large numbers, 47s, 56s, 58s to name most of the affected types.

 

I wonder if the solution to things like this would be some sort of subscription model, like TSW premium. Not replacing full addons, but let's say you pay £6 monthly and get a couple of Gameplay Packs every month, plus 10% off full addons or something. You could tailor your membership so that you don't get e.g. German addons if you don't need them.

 

If you check "Skyhook Games" you have youre answer!

 

I personally dont mind the pack too much which is saying something for me because I'm sick to death of the 66.

But it's nice to get a little more content for GWE. I enjoy the route still and imo it holds up quite well.

It is just a point of what the price will be. It has to be less than a loco dlc surely, can't be more expensive than the ROG37 imo.

 

i would be up for more Dlc packs like this for all routes in TSW as long as they decent in quality price etc. i may pick this SHG tanker add on forGWE MML definitely be nice to have some freight service scenario timtable freight would like to see one of these packs done to serve the power station in MML its a impressive lineside industry that needs to be a part in MML it the main reason i purchsed it thought they would have plans for services to it I have gone into power station in free roam on TSW4

 

Definitely not going down that road.
Release something I want and it’s of reasonable quality, I’ll buy it.
Release something I don’t particularly want or of dubious quality and I can leave it, or wait for a sale.
And, without abusing it, the Steam refund system does allow for viewing things on approval, so to speak and getting your money back if not up to snuff.

 

What this thread demonstrates I think is that there exists consumer demand for a new UK freight loco DLC. Or a route that features a new UK freight loco. If anyone is listening......

 

This would be a idea to help add more variety to US routes add more paint schemes to locomotives freight cars along with new scenarios timetables .even add some new and classic locos and cars might add some new life to existig routes ..and any new routes that come along

 

Your'e manner of writing wins not a gold medal! And i guess you try to winn likes but luckly this is not gonna happen and people looking forward to this DLC as well! I wait until the update for MML will come and than i make my choice to buy or not. It depending on the update quality! But its more yes than no at the moment.

 

Not only UK Freight Loco DLC but also UK freight wagons DLC

 

I keep touting for the Yorkshire coal field and power hub based around Knottingley, @1995 basically an expanded area of the SIAM Aire Valley traffic simulation. Class 56's and Class 60's thundering through Sudforth Lane with coal trains to and from Eggborough and Drax power stations. (Not Greta friendly... ).

 

Thanks for your advice....however I will completely ignore it!

I am sure these forums are getting less and less pleasant.

I am all for free speech and people making their own choices but the trend since the announcement of TSW4 for posters to belittle those that are enjoying TSW4 and almost villify them in some cases is unedifying and unwarranted.

You do what you want with your money and I will do the same, I don't tell you what DLC to purchase so I don't expect to be told what I should be doing!

 

Only way it would add value if they were actually added to existing timetables, but as seen with the BNSF SD70ACe, sometimes thats too much for a DLC.

 

Oh forgive me for saying a company that is worth millions of dollars who in turn is owned by a publishing company that is worth millions of dollars is somehow not responsible for paying it's employees. It's not like the company that is worth millions is not able to pay It's employees or help third parties fund minor projects such as making tank cars that we already have which will be pulled by a freight train that we already have, right?

Or will there be the same ridiculous excuses that if they don't make this type of dlc which is just modeling a new bogie a new livery and a couple of services, that they will go bankrupt and out of business?

The lengths people try to go to justify some practices is sometimes ridiculous.

This pack would've been better if it included a new freight train. How many times does the class 66 need to be reused when there have been those wanting a new freight locomotive for a while.

 

DTG is in business to make money, and we get to decide whether or not to buy their products- it's just that simple.

Regarding, "why is it not a new train"? Presumably they had the dev time/budget for a smaller project at this time- i'd guess a piece of rolling stock is at least an order of magnitude less work than a new loco.

Also, for fans of free roam like myself, these packs can potentially add a lot of value even outside their home routes, which is another plus.

All that being said, DTG really need to look at whatever broke with substitution. Hopefully part of this winter core update?

 

That does not make it immune from criticism. Also I'm pretty sure it doesn't take that much effort to basically add a new bogie, some letters, a different colored livery and a couple of new services that doesn't add much since it will use a class 66 that has been used so many times

 

I'm still confused that irrespective of who has millions of dollars there still needs to be a stream of income...... that's the logic I don't get that you suggest the publishers are responsible for paying the employers but we don't connect to it as a consumer to provide the millions to do so.

Secondly, it could have had twelve locos, new tree designs, 18 different sets of collectibles, offered you a holiday abroad and a free cash prize.

Unfortunately it's a gameplay pack so none of these are included.

Everything we buy in life could have more but you'll only ever receive whats being sold.in this instance you'll note, there is zero mention of this being a loco pack so perhaps your expectations are misaligned to whats available as a choice to buy or not .

 

Those tanks are already in the game. As I have said before, it's just a new livery and a different bogie. It doesn't make the product immune to criticism.

I don't understand how you don't get the logic. Either that or you are just trying not to understand. This company ain't broke. They have plenty of money to pay their employees. If they didn't release this product, it wouldn't have made them go out of business or hurt their bottom line. I don't get why there are those that think that. It's just a ridiculous take when other companies can release things on other simulators like free buses, liveries and truck trailers come from smaller studios as well

If it had a new train, then I wouldn't have a issue. I and others would like to see and would be willing to pay for a new U.K freight train in game. The issue is that this isn't new. It's for the most part a reskin of existing content with a new bogie using the same freight train with a couple of new service that doesn't add much.

If you want to buy it, then that is fine. But I'm not gonna just keep my mouth shut and not have an opinion

 

Community: We would like a new UK freight Locomotive.

DTG and Third Parties: Let's reuse the Class 66 for the 100,000 time.

There will be those that wouldn't mind constantly reusing the 66, but surely there would be more value in making a new freight locomotive. I'm suprised that after several years, there is still not another uk freight locomotive in the game

 

This release is not by DTG It's by SHG which is a third party developer and probably has nowhere near the resources DTG has.

 

How dare someone make something totally optional for the game that you personally do not find use for or want!! I recommend DTG and their partners vet all ideas with you to ensure you personally would like to buy it before they make anything else...

 

Consider also this brings other services to the game you do not have which have had to be coded in, tested etc to ensure it doesn't brake other things. It is not just livery and bogey to be fair.

Their prerogative is to offer any consumer options that we take or we do not take. Each company has their own operating model and stratefy in regards to release. I'm assuming that there is disdain when you find out about other companies releasing similar products (perhaps even the car you drive) that still comes with four wheels, a different trim level etc. Perhaps even those pesky builders that release yet another house just with a different roof on to your own that you again have the choice to buy. I'm not berating your view, I'm just saying I do not understand the logic that because they may (or may not be cash rich) that they can only offer a product to suit you with a new loco.

A valid comment until you don't get the route or train you want or expect and then you're in the same place as this pack, with a choice of whether or not to buy or not.

- So we've moved from earlier in the post of it just being a reskin etc to recognising there are additional components to the pack. It doens't add much to you, thats fair, it may to others. In fact, it's similar to if they released a new train and loco that doesn't add much to you. [/QUOTE]

I purely expressed in a polite manner I didn't get the logic of your post as I read it that unless a product is 100% applicable to your desire then it is a non starter and purely for corporate greed. I'm all for a critique and feedback but there is more to DLC release choices than one person.....

 

DTG are the one who would have to approve and publish it. Again, that doesn't make it immune from criticism

 

My post was to point out that the wagons would have to be coded by that third party. Or did Skyhook code the original tankers as well?

 

Immune? No of course not. But I think OP is being a bit extreme and is ranting more than offering criticism declaring it "useless" and urging people not to buy it. Lots of rage for a small content pack that will likely cost for me in the US the equivalent of a Big Mac Value Meal.

 

You are allowed to buy what you want, but this pack is objectively a waste of money. It could be the best wagon pack of all time (not that it will be) but ultimately it's still a £10 wagon pack. For slightly more (or in the case of New Journeys, slightly less), you could get one of the loco add-on bundles. None of them include new trains, but all three have new things to do on the routes they're released for, and each serves much better value for money than this. There is really no reason for somebody with around £10 to spend on TSW DLC to go near this pack. Frankly any of the other gameplay packs or loco add-on bundles are a better spend than this.

 

Tell me you don't know what the word "objectively" means without telling me you don't know what the word "objectively" means.

 

Ah yes. Adding new timetable mode services that need to be tested. Gee it's not like we have gotten new timetable services made by one person in their spare time released for free. Surely that would've made DTG bankrupt.

The whole "I don't have to buy it" does not make a product immune to criticism. I don't understand why is that such a difficult thing to understand. I don't have an issue with anyone who wants the product, but that doesn't mean I'm just gonna keep quiet about it. It kinda comes off as those that don't want this should keep their mouth shut and not offer their take if they don't want a particular product.

Now yes there may be a train released that I don't want, and if that is the case, I wouldn’t buy it and explain why. I would say why and move on to something else. Nothing wrong with that.

But I am interested in seeing a new freight locomotive in the game and there are those that do want a new freight locomotive in the game. I do like freight trains and would want to see a change from the overused class 66. I don't see value in this pack. I wouldn't notice the wagons since I mostly play in cockpit cam anyways so this to me is just a reskin of wagons already in the game with a new bogie. A easy way to make a quick buck.

If you like it, then that's OK. I don't think people should tell people what to do with their money, nor would I bash people for doing so. But people can offer their views even if you may not agree. It just feels like there are those (not you specifically but more generally speaking) that would rather some not have a critique of a product and keep their mouths closed.

 

Just to say, having made a timetable myself now. Assuming the freight runs are just A-B, with no shunting or coupling/uncoupling. Its only a few hours (2-3) work to make 16 services. A-B freight are the absolute easiest services to make. Scenarios obviously take longer though.

I'm happy to buy it for the new wagons, but it really should include a new livery for the 66 at least.

 

I can understand why there are those that don't see value in this pack. I don't think making 16 new services wouldn't be much of a challenge for skyhook (with assistance from DTG) to make and from what I've read here, it doesn't seem to offer much.

From my understanding, it is mostly reskin of fuel tankers already in game with a different livery, a different bogie and 16 new services for MML and GWE with some scenarios. However it will use the class 66 which has been reused so many times so the driving experience won't be different.

I think new freight locomotive would've had much better value than reusing the 66 and there wouldn't be criticism but that is just my take

 

I see this talk of this pack not being good value, but we have not actually been given the price of the pack yet. This sort of thing is what TSW needs and this will be a good DLC, providing the correct price point is chosen. Any judgement on it's value can't be passed until we have a confirmed price, which unless I have missed something, we don't.

 

So that 2-3 hours includes testing to make sure the added services don't break the hundreds already on the route? Seriously asking because i'm not a programmer/coder of any sort.

Also, we're just assuming that they're all A-B services. Probably true but we don't know for sure.

I mean if they try to sell it for $30 nobody will buy it, but for $10? Seems like decent value to me

 

No, the pack is a waste of money in your opinion, not objectively and yes I will be buying it, having more services to help liven up mml and gwe is only a good thing.

 

Question. MML (PC) How many there are real (not rhtt) freight timetable services on PC MML currently?

 

Maybe people just want to buy content they are interested in?
There is no 'reason' to buy any video game, or add-on.

Don't tell people how to spend their money.

 

As ever on here, people know the price of everything (or in this case are surmising) and the value of nothing! I am glad most of these posters aren't my employer!

 

The simulation will tell you if it "breaks" anything. It wont complete if it it does. For A-B routes, not involving passengers or coupling? Very little testing required, simulation and playback view will do it for you.
Adding services requires no coding/programming of any kind. All done through the editor.
If it included a loco skin as well I would say its worth it, but I'll still be buying it for more freight.

 

3 freight (require tees valley and 31 dlc for 2 cement services. Don't know which route is required for the one aggregate service. There are also 2 railtours and 5 rhtt services.

 

I recommend to study the diagram book of the br freight wagons. Its like saying we have the mk1 coach already in game.

Freight wagons are devided in batches. Bp shell ordered many different wagons in the category TEA. Basicly the wagon numbers are the reference for the batch, owner, the diagram and its factory configuration.

For example the PCA on the tvl route are specified to bcc (blue circle cement), dtg put a lot of research into that included the numbering.

So no, skyhooks tea wagons are entirely new types, but in the end its a tanker wagon yes.

 

To the people who complain about the Class 66 in this pack, I do agree that it is annoying to be having what will be now our 9th Class 66. (2x GWE, ECW, SEHS, RHTT, ECML, 2x EDN, this). However if I might offer a different perspective...

Ignore this Class 66. It will likely be a straight cut and paste of the SEHS version and there is a reason for it. Since the launch of TSW3, new loco packs or gameplay packs are detached from their parent routes. Somebody out there could possibly buy this pack without owning GWE or MML. The Class 66 featured in the pack is there solely for the slim possibility that someone might buy this pack and not own any content that has previously featured a Class 66, it solely exists so that the buyer will definitely have something to pull it with.

How slim is that possibility? I would argue it's borderline impossible. If you didn't have any Class 66s and only got the wagons for free roam, there is still the possibility of every single other UK diesel there has ever been. Even if you didn't have any other UK content, every German locomotive operates on the same air brake system as the UK stock so the wagons could also be pulled by them. The only way you would possibly have no other locomotives capable of pulling these tankers is if you had bought TSW4's American regional edition and only had American content, and at that point what reason would you even have for so much as glancing at this pack? You would either only be interested in US content, or if you were looking to expand into UK content you would buy routes first and would pretty quickly own something capable of working with these wagons.

So the Class 66 being in this pack is not only a cut and paste, it's also utterly pointless. There are dozens of coach and wagon packs for TSC which exist and still get new releases to this day, I honestly believe this would be a fine thing to bring over without sticking in a re-released Class 66 that only serves to inflate the price tag by a few extra quid. I suppose it's down to personal opinion as to whether or not we want that release model in TSW, I personally think it would be a good way of releasing wagon variety that wouldn't normally fit in a given route such as with the grouping era coaches, Free Roam and Formation Designer certainly give those things purpose.

Regardless, that is the point of the locomotive being in this pack. It's not even aimed at people like ourselves who already have locos to pull the wagons, so ignore it entirely. This pack adds new TEA wagon variants which are entirely new models, four new scenarios and twenty new timetable services across two new routes.

 

For a reasonable price yeah. £10 for reskins etc is far too high

 

They could at least put the 66 in a non EWS livery.

 

Even just changing it to the rebadged DB version would have been better. We shouldn't have to ignore the locomotive entirely. The result is that if someone somehow does get this pack before any other EWS Class 66 addons, those addons are then devalued by the person already owning an identical locomotive. New liveries cannot be that hard, even if they do have to remain within a certain license.

 

Now we're getting somewhere. So, what would be a fair price?

I just paid almost $10 (including tip) for a cappuccino- it took me about 6 minutes to drink it, but it was delicious and i don't regret it. If all i did was sit and think about how it would have only been $5 ten years ago, i'd probably be a little grumpy. But then again, my salary has also increased over that time (it hasn't doubled though that's for sure lol), right?

Put it another way, I know i'll get at least an hour of entertainment from the pack, even if i just do one end to end run on each route and never touch them again.That's TWELVE times the entertainment value for an equivalent price.

But, really all that is beside the point.

My approach to TSW content is very simple- if I like it and have the disposable income, then i buy it.

Trying to divine absolute value or constantly debating whether the price of some piece of DLC is "fair" is just a recipe for indigestion IMO.

 

The pack contains another Class 66 purely because of how the game works. It needs a specific loco for the services, it can’t just pick any other Class 66 that you may have.

 

Gee a different bogie and some specs makes it entirely new. This is like saying all the class 66 in game are all new from one another. It's pretty much the same wagons we already have bar some minor and hardly noticeable differences.

 

For me, for no new locos/trains. £5 or less. But it's very subjective. They can price it at what they think is good value. Us consumers need to wait for sales or not purchases it to make a point.

Me, I mostly miffed that they've spent time making this whilst the MML route using the HST is unplayable on ps5.

 

Thats how it works like everywhere else. Every owner has different demands on what he needs to bring from a - b and how. The 377 and 387 are completly different train configurations but look the same.
In the end engineering of vehicles start with the specs / demands but in the end its moving on wheels.

So depends how look at, but TSW is simulating / representing many technical aspects, so its just normal that some players look closer into technical configurations.

 

True. But considering that these are quite minor, I just don't see any value in this still.