As a ban was put on southern based route over a year ago can the be a ban on northern routes in the coming months to get western and southern routes a chance to come out Routes like; Isle of wight steam railway (preserved line) Isle of wight steam days Portsmouth direct line Southampton to Bournemouth Rivera in the 50th Rivera in br blue Bristol to Swansea Blue Bell railway East summer set Spar Valley railway
please no more 3rd rail southern electrostars..... also surely we should get more northern routes in maybe scotland? cathcart is good but kinda small and edg is well... edgy
there are more then just 3rd rail routs in southern England in clouding London there are more 3rd rail trains in the south line Desiro class 450 and 444, slam door, tube stock, 700, class 455. yes electrostares who'd have services on a few line like Portsmouth direct line and Southampton to Bournemouth but they who'd not be the main trains
well i wouldnt mind a thumper but i think southern england has had more than its fair share of routes compared to places without any eg wales, or france or even eastern anglia
South west hasn't had any. The island is more central the west or east southern England. For British routes France does count in this but do agree that there needs to be more French routes. Germany gets the most Austria and Switzerland are starting to more of a notice so French railway could soon get more
I think they're referring to the territory of SWR. WCL usually falls under "west" rather than "southwest"
Well they have just announced the Goblin line which is a London aka southern England route. However agree it is time DTG addressed the lack of routes in Wales or the West (Gloucestershire, Avon, Somerset, the Marches).
Northern routes, I count two: Glossop and Blackpool. There are still vast areas of Britain missing in game with the South West having big gaps as you highlight but please lets steer clear of Electrostars and South East for a bit longer, especially with this overground route just taking us back to commuter London. Edit: Forgot Peak Forest too, but that is a steam route. Also talking about in the past year since the last southern route.
Northern Transpennine, Glossop, Blackpool, Tees Valley and (it could be argued) Spirit of Steam would all count as Northern. Although, there's a lot of variety in the experiences with plenty of different diesel locos/MUs, NTP's Gradients, Glossop's EMU running and Blackpool/TVL's branch emphasis. Same goes for the Midlands three (MML, BCC, PFR) - One's Steam, One's Diesel, One's Electric. The South has IOW, IOW2022, SEHS, ECW, BML, GWE and BKL All run on third rail apart from GWE... Three have electrostars, three have tube stocks (IOW Stocks being counted here), and two are the exact same route. So, aye, unless the South starts to offer something new, it should stay on the sidelines.
Again I should have added in the past year. However you do make good points in regards to the experiences.
Goblin offers something a bit different. It's the first 'true' Urban Commuter route. Cathcart and BCC could be argued for, but they do go a bit regional at their ends. Goblin offers something new. (And, as it's a complete route, it may be easy enough to string services together as a "shift")
Manchester is not in the Midlands. No chance. I could give Glossop because it heads into that Derbyshire area close to Peak Forest, which would be counted as a Midland Route, but NTP is undoubtedly Northern. (If not Manchester, look at Leeds. Nowhere near the Midlands!)
Manchester is the representative city of the North West. How can it be in the Midlands? I've honestly never heard anyone say that before. People's definition of where the North begins differs from person to person, but this image does a pretty good job of showing it. The North/South divide isn't strictly geographical, hence why you get people lumping Wales in with "the North".
As I said, it's not as simple as geographical location. The North, the Midlands, and the South don't follow strict straight lines depending on latitude, they're cultural lines that have been formed throughout history. Anyway, I wouldn't go to Manchester and try saying it's in the Midlands if I were you.
Great Britain is the name of the island England, Scotland, and Wales are on. So, even if the UK ceased to be, they would still be a part of GB.
We can't leave an island. Just because Manchester is close to Midlands doesn't mean it is in the Midlands. If we extend this logic south, Birmingham is pretty close to Rugby, which is pretty close to Northampton, which is fairly close to Milton Keynes, which is close to Watford, which is right outside London, which is just northwest of the Medway towns, which are close to Dover. There, the Midlands suddenly extend to Kent
Oh dear, such nonsense. How divided we all are. It doesn’t really matter where the routes are set as long as they are good and varied. There wasn’t a southern ban and there shouldn’t be a northern ban. With all the new UK third parties now on board there will be a greater than ever mix of routes to choose from so we should all count ourselves lucky we have the prospect of any region getting a route or six. If you look at a globe we are all most definitely in the north. Sorted.
The north/south divide debate never ends does it? Being from Manchester I’d say we’re in the north west. If we’re speaking technically, Manchester is part of Lancashire which is obviously northern, but the metropolitan county of Greater Manchester is counted as its own separate area but I suppose does kinda leak over to the Midlands a bit.
I would say the Midlands expires at Stoke On Trent where the NW is concerned. However, anecdotally, there is a similar argument about Swindon which sits uneasily between West Country, South Midlands and (north) South.
As far as I know, none of the TSW PS4 maps model Newcastle station. Surprised really, as it is a major northern station. So on the contrary to your post, I’d really like to see Doncaster to Newcastle incl Heaton TMD with an option to merge with the existing ECML to get PBO-NCL. I know merging can be done on TSC on the computer, but not for PS4 AFAIK
These are the Midlands: Everything North of it is the North, everything South of it is the South. Northern England isn't just Northumbria, Yorkshire and Cumbria. Nobody in their right mind splits England into three equally sized sections to define South/Midlands/North. The regions aren't solely Geographical, and their geography holds no relevance here. The OP refers to "Northern" routes - i.e. The North of England - which is the region that encompasses Manchester, Liverpool and North of that. The Midlands end at Stoke and Nottingham. Regardless, for TSW purposes it could be better to think more about the TOCs. Manchester and Liverpool are firmly in Northern/TPE territory.
You're the first person I've ever seen claim Manchester is in the Midlands. I think you'll find you're in a tiny minority that think that, opinion or not.
The North is a Cultural and Political region in England. The reason it's called the north isn't because it's the northern third, but because it is North of the Midlands and the South, and because there is nothing else above it- in England. Liverpool and Manchester are as much in the North as Newcastle is. And by that, I mean 100% in the north.
Probably a good idea. No point trying to pursue such an incorrect stance. You can have Manchester in the Midlands ‘in your book’ but nobody except you is dividing things up using well recognised terms such as “The Midlands” (which has a definite meaning) and using their own lines for it. If you want to divide it into two, North and South, that would be understandable but as soon as you bring in an actual term from the well established regions of England then you must accept the real boundaries. Outside of the cultural and political system there is no concept of “The Midlands” at all. Manchester is in The North.
I just can't believe I have been grouped in with, the Mancs and Scousers. We may as well say the Geordies are from the Midlands too!
I can kinda agree on what ur saying as we do need less northern routes as there's not many other routes in the UK I say, and there's probably just a few northern routes but not a single Welsh route in sight and only 1 Scottish route...
I want some scottish and welsh routes ~ coming from someone from the south Ofc id love more southern routes specifically south western but wales and scotland need some tlc
I would love more West Midlands routes as I'm from there like my local line Worcester to Birmingham to Stratford Upon Avon that would be great to see in the game and bringing the 172s to the game
