Did Dtg Give Up On Us Fright Routs Are They Not Profitable No More It Seems Like It's Just Been Pass

They could with Chicago to Elgin.

Also I believe Donner Pass or Marias is about to be announced.

No more New York routes for 12 months. I could be wrong. but like Matt banned south of England I think a similar ban is in place for NY area.

 

That's where the license is unfortunately. It's either east or west coast considering the current situation. Only other option is freight but as Matt explained, there is little interest in freight and they are more restrictive in terms of access to reference material.

 

Where the hell did you pull that info out of?

Also, I don't think it's a freight route, only thing Brandon has ever done recently for freight was the scenarios for Tehachapi Pass on TSC.

 

If you want people to take you at all seriously, you need to start quoting some genuine sources for your " information ".

Not that I believe you can, of course.

And since you say Matt has " banned the South of England " , I guess the Goblin Line must have been developed by some rogue group of coders on the down low, in some secret recess of Chatham Towers, unbeknownst to the rest of DTG staff.

 

The plan seems about as abandoned as the amount of northern routes what came out during that, well it also seems fair to say DTG considers the north anything above London.

 

I think the ban was 3rd rail south of the Thames, not Southern routes in general.

 

I am sure that the popularity of the route depends little on the era, the name of the railway operator, the type of traction or its location.
My love for the route is determined by:
- rich and varied gameplay;
- a branched and long railway network providing all types of transportation (highway, regional and city traffic, shunting and haulage work, passenger and cargo traffic, different types of traction);
- variety of rolling stock;
- modeling accuracy, realistic sounds and rolling stock physics;
- realistic terrain, environment and decorations;
- beautiful and rich vegetation and good lighting;
- packages of interesting scenarios;
- packages of rolling stock and timetables on the route of the second era.

An example can be Blackpool and Niedertalban. It cannot be said that these are very exciting sections of the railway, with saturated and branched traffic in real life. They won their popularity due to the quality of their performance. If he was created by another team at the quality level of the majority of DLS, his popularity would be second.

Reverse example: Reina's line, NEС, LIIR and ECML could have offered us a crazy and varied gameplay, but we didn't get it. And the player ratings correspond.

 

Yep. Yet DTG keeps insisting that certain routes are popular or unpopular because of their setting and that quality does not sell.

Same logic when people say Euro Truck Simulator is so popular because trucks are more appealing than trains, ignoring the fact that pretty much noone played truck simulators before ETS. Yet in the early 2000s we had MSTS, Trainz, Rail Simulator, Densha de GO, etc.

It's like saying SimCity 2013 flopped because people are just not interested in city builders anymore, despite the fact that just 2 years later Cities Skylines released and was a big hit.

 

But prople have played driving simulators and games practically since the dawn of videogames. ETS is a branch of the same tree as Mario Kart, Forza Horizon and GTA V.

Go into any game store and you will see a selection of wheel controllers, gearshifts, clutch and brake pedals. Now, try to find a Raildriver anywhere but online.

 

A very, very far-off branch.

 

I feel like at some point DTG should look at doing some kind of mega packs with existing locos with any avaliable liveries just to add some kind of variety to routes. Most of the modern rosters are covered, aside from a few locos here and there.

Like an example would be a large ES44 pack.

And it could come with the following...

-BNSF ES44DC (H2) (Layers to Cajon)
-BNSF ES44AC (H3) (Layers to Cajon)
-CP/CPKC ES44AC (Rare spawn chance on any route)
-CN ES44AC (Layers to Oakville?)
-CSX ES40DC (Layers to SPG)
-CSX ES44AC (Layers to SPG)
-NS ES44DC (Layers to HSC)
-UP ES44AC (Layers to SH, CC, Cajon, AVL)

Of course some work needs to be done for small things (Like different horn models per railroad or the Steerable trucks on CSX units, and the different Simugraph between AC and DC) but the base model is mostly there with the ES44C4.

 

Done as substitutions it could be cheap. Done as layers it would be a lot more expensive.

 

You can find racing wheels with paddle shifters and sporty looking gear shifters, not huge truck steering wheels.

Comparing racing games with truck simulators is quite a weird take.

 

Very good idea. And they could do AC44 and C40 packs too. Because even NS, CN and BNSF use that locos too.

But a new loco like the ET44 and the P42 would be nice too.

And perhaps there is a hint for the P42 inHSC allready : See at the top of this post.

 

I think at this point the P42 isn’t a “if” we get it’d but more of a “when” we get it. The P42 and charger are the only heavily requested locomotives I’ve seen most people ask for as a DLC or new locomotive with a new route. Personally I think it’s overdue..

 

If Donner Pass is almost finished then that will be one very likely possibility. I think they had the P-42 in Donner Pass in TSC.

 

Sorry did I miss an something? Did they announce this as a DLC?

 

Nope

 

Just gonna ask this here since I haven't been on the game since release, are the spawn in locomotives still broken and not working on free roam?

 

I have a hunch... like I got accused for breaching confidentiality clause LOL because I knew (well I was speculating but I had read quite a few posts and seen a few hints) the editor was coming.

I am not working for DTG and to add.... I am 'purely speculating'.

Sometimes we use maths too.

Like for every 3 US routes we will get one freight route. So 2 will be passenger and 1 freight.

The other route I have thought it could be is Marias Pass.

Both can use the P42s on.

 

Class 47 I think hasn't been fixed.... I think US locos have no probs. What specifically???

 

All previous games locomotives weren't working at launch. None of them had power. Matt mentioned it was the way they were built. Didnt know if they fixed it yet.

 

Saying this:

isn't speculating. That's practically a confirmation.

 

It seems so, because SMH, HSC and CJP were at TSC before TSW too.

 

That's not what I was saying.

 

I used the opportunity for watching what TSC offers for northamerican freight. And it is impressive. Almost all known american freight routes are included. Why not simply overhaul them a bit and bring them out for TSW4? Especially aslong we have only 3 routes with 50+freight car trains at the moment in TSW4.

 

Read what Matt said.

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...e-its-just-been-pass.76639/page-2#post-760294

and

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...e-its-just-been-pass.76639/page-2#post-760422

 

What Matt said is from the perspective from a player who owns TSW and TSC. For them it would not be so new to have the known routes from TSC in TSW too. But a lot of TSW players (especially they who play on consoles only) don't have that known freight routes with 50 car + freight trains. For them it would be new routes and more variety and impressive landscapes (like Soldier Summit). And they would be very happy for getting this routes.

 

I think they're a completely different market to be honest. The skills needed to be fast in a racing car have almost no overlap with the skills needed to be a good truck driver. I play Gran Turismo almost every day. I like driving my collection of cars, often comparing them on what I have as my test track (the small but fun Maggiore West End course). I have ETS and play it every once in a while, but it just isn't something I'd put lots of time into. However, I know plenty of simulator YouTubers who play ETS and Train Sim (Squirrel for example) but racing game YouTuber SuperGT hasn't played ETS once from my knowledge.

 

Well, the racing and road or dirt driving market is much more competitive and extensive than the train simulation side.
Look alone at the hardware, from cheap $10 plastic wheel rims you can click your joystick into to $1000 and more racing wheels, pedals, shifters, seats, F1 copy cockpits and associated hardware and paraphernalia.

While a decent stocked with DLC TSC or TSW game can easily cost you over $1000, the choice of commercial hardware is very limited still. Keyboard and mouse, joystick or RailDriver, and that's it.
Most racing, rally games offer multiplayer and races against the clock for a leaderboard position, most truck driving games offer a business model, while TSC and TSW have nothing to offer in this aspect.

 

What an opportunity to do historic steam freight in the US!

 

Down the basement; they have frequent leaks

 

I agree, as a US freight conductor that's our normal day.

 

And what are your favorite US freight routes, that are already missing in TSW4?

 

After playing railroader, anything vintage that DTG does will pale in comparison....

 

I'd prefer a Midwest route to another Utah or Colorado route where you are driving freight, grain oil and fuel etc....

Ie Illinois Elgin-Byron area and Rockford, a single line where you can do crossings (meets). IC&E now operated by CN or CP....

And after that a double mainline Illinois/Missouri where Amtrak uses the route for one of its trains between Chicago and Los Angeles. So its pretty flat.

 

Always thought the Nebraska Kearney Sub “Triple Track Main” would make for a good route though North Platte Yard might bring TSW to its knees!

 

I think its pretty cool taking these massive US beasts down the rails.

 

After taking a long, i mean very long break from TSW, i expect to see some US stuffs (by US stuffs i mean freight stuffs) added to the Roadmap, but here i am still seeing nothing.

 

Exactly. We are still waiting for over 1 year for the next US Freight route. Hopefully Skyhook will bring a new US freight route out. Sure Cane Creek and Horse Shoe Curve had their mistakes, but they were not bad. And both routes are one of my favorite TSW routes.

 

It's not like there are a lack of choices; especially if you look at all the TSC routes and one of them could be recycled into TSW like so many others have been.

 

Well i guess i'll take another long break then

 

Except there is a lack of variety.

Majority of the routes in TSC are mountain passes.

The only ones not are....

-Montana Hi-Line (Plains with numerous grades and grain elevators)

-Grainger Heartland (Flat, double track, not much going on)

-Arizona Divide (Half mountains, half desert)

-Sacramento Northern (1930s-1940s US electric interurban)

-Livonia Subdivision (Not sure what to call it? Medium speed route thru the swamps of Louisiana? But it's usually forgotten)

 

I've been diving into Suggestion part of the forum and i can see so many US Freight Route suggestions and they're varied, but still DTG act like they're running out of ideas. For example they could do something in the east coast if want flat freight route.

 

Where in the hell do you even get this stuff from? Where are your sources for this information? It’s not the first time you’ve said this exact thing on here and like last time, failed to provide any further evidence or source on what you’re talking about.

Again, same as above. There’s been absolutely nothing posted to suggest this route is coming or even being worked on and yet you’re posting your speculation like it’s fact.

There’s nothing wrong with posting about what you think could happen. A lot of us do it on here. But please don’t confuse ‘speculating’ with fact. The two are very different, as I’d think you would know. But sometimes I’m not sure.

Another comment acting blind to the issues all the other users of TSW4 are seeing and making it out seem like we’re the ones with the problem and everything’s fine and there’s nothing wrong. Please inform us which US locos you’re referring to. You must have secret ones we don’t know about.

 

I think even DTG is disgusted by his suck-up

 

thanks for the hint to this game. i really love it.

 

I would imagine at some point in mid to late January we may start to get some announcement article with photos for the next US Route. My guess it's a passenger route, but hopefully it also includes a freight layer as well. I hope whatever the route is, that it is one that DTG got on-site access for photos and audio recording. The best routes with sights and sounds are the ones that they had in person access.

 

Would you buy a route with a generic livery? How important is a company logo to your experience with TSW?

Earlier in this topic when I discussed the TSC Miami-West Palm Beach route and the possibility of a TSW version, Matt stated no license, so no route. Fair enough and obviously the licensing aspect can be a significant hurdle to overcome with regard to selecting route projects for DTG. The Miami-WPB route was released without Tri-Rail branding and appeared to succeed in spite of that. Is branding important to players? Is no branding a deal breaker? Generic routes would open up many possibilities I would think.

As a side note. Without mentioning any names, I see a competing sim using every US logo imaginable on their content. Do they really have that many licenses? How closely do companies monitor this?

 

Logos aren't important to me, a realistic train and route are however. I don't want fictional routes, but I'm fine with trains being without the logo, and just in the appropriate colours if licensing is not possible.