Okay so I have seen and downloaded quite a ton of HST liveries and there is a issue that has been bugging me to no end. When adding numbers to the HST (or class 43) power cars. Please have the numbers to be different when the numbers are being added. Its literally impossible to have 2 exactly same power cars at each end. Just add another layer with the number with the same or similar size. And HSTs sets arent DMUs they are locos at each end sandwiching some carriages. Hence why the each end of the power cars have different numbers. I hope people when making HST liveries would be aware of this.
I am certainly aware of it and it really frustrated me when I made my LNER Farewell livery and less so the FGW/GWR crossover, however it isn't possible to do. What you do on one power car is replicated on the other one, including the number.
Yeah, this one is a bit frustrating. I raised it when the update for GWE was first released with HST LD support. Not only does it mean both HSTs have the same number, but it makes it impossible to have special liveried Class 43s at one of the ends. So it's very much out of the hands of livery creators at the moment.
I must say the assumption by the OP that every livery creator didn't know what they were doing is quite a good one. (Mind you I have no idea what I'm doing most of the time so he might be right ).
Wait really? because i swear I have seen some custom liveried HSTs with 2 different numbers on each end. Is that not possible?
Not on the formations with coaches in between, I will try and get a couple of screenshots when I get home later to show.
The only way to have 2 different numbers is to have 2 different numbers on each side of one Power Car. This works well if the train is passing you, you see one number, then the coaches and then the other number on the second Power Car. I've done that with a few of mine - the What if... LNER Green set and the Silver Jubilee set, for example, but I'm aware I haven't done it with my BR Blue or InterCity liveries. I may go back to them...
Ah yes. I did think about this 'solution'. However as the O.P was talking about number authenticity then I didn't think he would like that one. Also it still doesn't really resolve the issue of having power cars with completely different liveries at each end. It will be great if Formation Editor gives us that ability.
So, this thread made me look at my HST liveries and I discovered than all of my MML 2+8 HSTs have lost livery to 2 of the coaches! So I've spent a little time reliverying them as well as adding secondary numbers. Made a few other small adjustments too, so if you have subscibed to any of my HSTs, you may need to re-subscribe.
Hello I’m planning on making a few and noticed straight away the Power car issues. Originally they would have been in the same formations under class 235 but due to fleet tracking this was addressed with the use of TOPS 43XXX. So any full set will be in a full formation and anything else as Class 43 will be a separate unit so then users can mix and match to the respective powers cars and formations. I have a small list of interesting formations using different liveries on all powers cars and coaches. So if one wants to a make a scenario from say 1973 or 1998 they will be a mix of power cars and coaches to match the real time table. How the duplication of the end unit missed is beyond me for it was hardly seen under TOPs even tho they may have still been arranged in the original sets under Class 235. I’m still learning myself a little so if you or anyone else has any tips then please let me know so we can avoid silly mistakes when it comes to classifying powers cars. I guess you could say finding out what the original sets was and what they was then moved too during TOPS then you could find out if they are sets in original form under TOPs. I have a little bit of information on those original sets and re classification but you guys probably already have that in order to make liveries for the class 43. I haven’t even made one so. I guess that’s why I’ve seen this post and come here as I’m in the process of working around this problem you so angrily bring up. I’m just glad I spotted it before posting a class 43. So from my end I’d say problem is sorted. Full formations on the Class 235 and Individual Units under TOPs. To mix and match for a tailored scenario or timetable. Easy.
