At the 11. of January the Bernina Pass Stream will be live from DTG with Jasper from Rivet. does that mean that we get Bernina in 2 weeks? is that realistic?
Yeah but whats the problem? You never or in rare occasions found a route that's 100% build from A to B..... One of the most played routes in TSW is Kassel Würzburg and nobody is complaining about the end to end thing there... Otherwise its impossible to create a route like what you want.... If you follow this argument than you have to build routes like Hamburg St. Anton am Arlberg but yeah thats a end to end route....
I think you are doing the strawman a bit here. No one expects a route to run from infinity to infinity but it should start and end at logical locations. In the case of Bernina they have chosen to build south from a minor intermediate station in the middle of nowhere, missing out not just the section to St Moritz but the major interchange to the rest of the RhB network (Pontresina) and depot. Certainly no way this is worth a full price purchase. At least the TSC version ran from St Moritz to Poschiavo which is slightly more logical, then we got Poschiavo to Tirano which could be seamlessly joined with the mod. But go ahead, be my guest and support Rivet's half hearted approach to producing one of the most iconic railways in Europe.
That exactly is the problem. Of course it is understandable for long routes, you wouldn't expect the whole NEC to be one signle route. But Bernina could very easily be one.
I have been building routes in train sims since before MSTS and always made sure they went from logical end points. I built the Stratford on Avon and Midland Jn Railway in MSTS and it included Blisworth to Banbury Merton Street and Stratford on Avon plus the line from Towcester to Olney which was considered most of the SMJ network. I also created part of the Swedish Inlandsbanan in MSTS from Gallivare to Arvidsjaur. Not the whole of the route which extends over 600 miles but a logical portion of it. I would certainly never have considered taking a route like Bernina and only building 60% of it. Otherwise when I did the Blackpool Tramway for MSTS and RW/TSC, perhaps I should just have gone from Pleasure Beach to Thornton Gate instead of the full route from Starr Gate to Fleetwood.
Did you create all the assets and points of interest? Or did you use the ones from other routes? Building routes like this is way more than create a route will the assets are cooked and ready to use right?! Otherwise you don't need to live financial from income of it... So you can build for years and dindt loose a cent
[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome] None of your points have been valid, and you are trying to justify something that cannot be justified. It's a usual DTG practice which needs to be stopped and I'm sure that besides it being 2 illogical start/end points, it will be ridden with bugs. [EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]
Okay thanks anyways..... Okay everything you buy in a shop needs to be modified specially for you're needs? That there are people with different wishes they even pay for the same product doesn't matter?! Interesting yeah! Trust me not everything is turning around you and you're wallet I guess..... #selfish
Some of the assets I created, some were created by friends with more skill in 3D modelling than I have. All the routes were freeware I hasten to add. In the case of Blackpool for MSTS, the route was adopted by the community and given a massive overhaul with many more custom objects and trams. But once again you are doing the strawman, (maybe you are someone from the Rivet on the defensive?) trying to deflect from the point. Rivet are a professional developer who should have people on board to take care of that sort of thing and you don't start work on a payware project if you are not confident of having the capacity to do the subject justice. They shouldn't have gone beyond the white board stage if they couldn't do the whole thing. I highly doubt outside DTG anyone is doing this and expecting to earn a living from it. A nice little supplementary earner perhaps working in spare time maybe some beer money, all the more reason if you are doing it for love of the prototype to do it properly. Anyhow you have your view, I have mine and no amount of keyboard sparring is going to change the fact I will not pay full price for just over half a route (and a boring train compared to the classic Japanese built 4x and 5x railcars).
Looking forward to the stream for this one. Wish more of the route was included, but if the rolling stock and scenery, etc are done well, I can enjoy it. Problem with Rivet is I always run into infuriating bugs with their content, so I’m definitely going to hold off for at least a few weeks.
So it's 100% confirmed by now that they will not extend the route a single meter before the relase, probably I will skip this one until a DLC with the rest of the line is in works. In this case it will be the third route DLC for me to skip, after HSC and the christmas train. But waiting for the Thursday stream by now, will see if I change mny mind.
Coming soon the iconic Settle and Carlisle. Run trains between Armathwaite (nearly Carlisle) and Dent (Somewhere in the Yorkshire dales so more or less Settle).......
Okay fair enough and you're right Rivet have professional workers but that's not the point of making choices.... They have a budget to create the route and they build what is possible in this budget right?! Let me be totally be clear I'm not from Rivet Skyhook or DTG! I have no clue how this nonsense is coming on this forum but yeah I have an other point of view.... That will not mean that I'm connected to any developer right? The question that I try to approche is it a good point to raise the selling price and slow down the process?! We pay paid already nearly 40€ so price raising is difficult slow down the process either. And I'm not a troll or try to be shuffle down you're opinions but only thing that I try please respect also other point of views and do not think that I didn't listen to you. But not everyone has the same point of view.... And the reaction from alexjjones6024 is ofcourse not really healthy in the way of respect to each other and will not bring any success.
I will guess they never extend this route. Extending routes in TSW are very rare... But you can wait but maybe you wait to long For me the to St Moritz is also a wish in a ideal world
Its purely that Devs for DTG and 3rd party creators will listen to your view and continue to find it acceptable to construct routes that aren't built to a main terminus and if we keep seeing half a**ed approaches like that, it will continue to be the trend when producing DLC. I just feel that no matter what I say, you'll find an excuse to come back at me.
No its fine to have this opion! So i written already that i accept youre opion as well and this reaction is way more respectfull than before. And you have the same rights to have an opion as i have so not always have to be come with an excuse. So if you give respect i will respect you as well right?! Its not so diffictult either!
If rivet had like another year, then maybe we see the entire line because building 1 mile on a scenic route with many twists and turns is not easy work. It's harder than a linear route with nothing to look at. They probably wanted to go all out which meant making the route as detailed as possible, so it used up all the development time with the section we are getting. Don't want them to mess up what a scenic route looks like. A lot of the things they used are probably brand new to them so took a while to understand and master. Last thing I want is for them is to crunch and rush things.
rennekton#1349 That's the whole point... This route is not easy to create there are so many points of interest and assets that is needed that's a hell of a job. If you look at Tirano and Brusio it's so iconic so if you even try to make this represents the actual situation you have to create a large amount of realistic assets. If you compare this with Bremen Oldenburg this is ridiculously more work. On Bremen Oldenburg the most assets are reused from other routes that's fine but will not useble for the Bernina line. If you look to Edinburgh Glasgow the route is really good but the negative side is the train and how this is implemented so if they make the train good I expect no issues with this route. The build quality from Rivet is way better than the beginning and I hope and I guess this route will be a success. The sounds for the Alegra are fine I'm sure about it... They have good experience with TSC so I'm not so worried
Still cannot see the sense of a start from Ospizio!!! Unless Rivet has a plan to release a route from St. Moritz to Ospizo later in the year?
I am merely giving feedback on what I dislike about the product I am shown. I am not stopping others from buying and enjoying it. If it ends up very good, even I may buy it despite the short length! But the short length and unlogical endpoint is objectively a shortcoming of the route, even if you choose to ignore it and enjoy the route anyway. Do they need to modify it to my needs? No. But neither do I have to buy it. Which is why I am giving feedback regarding why I probably won't be buying.
Just a polite reminder that Just Trains were give almost 2 years to create a highly detailed add on and also to create a route up to spec with TSW4. My point being that Rivet could surely be given the additional time to create a longer route etc. I do feel that there is more to it than what we see on these forums.
Fine is very logical but the frase that you're the one that paid makes that developers has to listening is not the right expectation I guess.... Other people have other expectations so that difficult than.
Time is not always a solution... I guess you can also not live with no income for 2 years... A few months maybe but not 2 years
I mean considering the state of their previously released routes, I can't imagine the quality is going to be amazing. Hope I'm wrong however.
Rivet games is fully self operated and nobody says something about time.... Only there financial state maybe xD
This is a route I will not be buying. Ending the route at the middle of nowhere makes no sense. Not to mention Rivet never want to improve content but then ask players for money only for the route to be abandoned.
You won't generate a good income if your DLC is below par, particularly Rivet games who have a track record and a reputation within the community.
Of course it's quality. Other 3rd parties have produced better. I mean Rivets West Cornwall Local is awful (St Ives, Class 150 sounds), the Arosa Line is poor (limited trees buggy cars that pop out in front of trains) , Luzern Surzee is bug ridden (others can elaborate on the bugs) and Edinburgh -Glasgow is poor too (sounds, scenery quality). Shame they focus more on animated moths under lampposts than the sound quality of their featured train (385) within their DLC's.
I may watch the preview (on one hand it may help to keep interest in TSW or on the other a bit pointless if I’m not able to get back into it) on Thursday, see how things are for the dlc, (must admit I’ve not been on or followed as much as usual TSW4 properly since early December, explained more below) if it shows a decent state and enjoyable gameplay then I will consider it for potential future intentions. Though due to a core issue with TSW on Xbox (Not Rivets fault) I will not be purchasing dlc or any new iteration until that issue is fixed. No fix no Buy. I do hope to get back into TSW sooner rather than later, but stuck with the current situation. Far too much console neglect when the game is cross platform or usually a PC only game, is a trend I’m noticing more and more with several games. edit: on a side note seeing a preview stream not always on PC would help quite a bit, not much help seeing a version what doesn’t greatly represent what I would be potentially purchasing.
why should the devs listen to that single view when they ignore yours… inquiring minds want to see that logic.
DTG, bad reputation... Rivet, bad reputation... Skyhook, bad reputation... I'm starting to see the pattern here.
What worries me about Rivet is, their lack of attention to detail. St. Ives and Penzance and other towns in WCL are nothing like reality, same with IoW and Glasgow Edinburgh. St. Ives is disgraceful and all their routes need work to be done. Just Trains are spot on with their route design. Rivets in comparison is extremely poor and amateurish.
