Route Linke Rheinstrecke - Feedback Thread

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  1. yardem

    yardem Well-Known Member

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    Just completed this, gold medal.
    It's possible that the issue was fixed since reported, or it may have been a save game issue.
     
  2. yardem

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    I was able to complete the service, but I cannot win the gold medal. I tried twice, and I came up ~250 APs short each time. I think the problem is that I get no score for arriving on time. This is the last service in the Short Circuit chapter of the Journey.
    Same happens for 63759, the first service in the Alternating Current chapter, and 70195 in the Winter Wunderland chapter.

    My journey is complete, but these 3 services prevent me from getting the Completed to Gold.
     
  3. mkraehe#6051

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    Since the TSW4 day 1 update to Linke Rheinstrecke, I am now getting "Wechselblinken" (85 and 70 flashing alternately) in restrictive mode, which is good. However, there is now also "Wechselblinken" after acknowledging a 1000 Hz magnet, so the PZB indicator lights are still broken, just in a different way than they were before. This is on the class 103, haven't tried the 110 yet...
     
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  4. fabienlimp95

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    -Still missing 110 kmh warning board (Mainz Direction)
    -there is still a weird 120kmh section of about 10m just before an actual 100kmh restriction outside of Boppard Hierzenach (Mainz Direction)
    -we still miss a signal at around Uhlerborn (Koblenz Direction) leading to inevitable SPADs (because there is the Vorsignal Missing, you only got the repeater signal, giving you an Instant emergency break with about 250 to the red signal. In a 160kmh zone)

    Checking this again, it seems to be the "Asig" going out of Uhlerborn. There is a main signal that is missing an attached distance signal. This was stated here in this thread already. Confusing why this wasn't sorted out.
     
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  5. TKessel

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    I doubt we will see this patched ever, route is now half a year old, plenty of time to get it right. The feedback was their from day one :-(
     
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  6. fabienlimp95

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    I mean, they fixed the issues with the 'not releasing brakes' on the freight wagons on DRA two years after release.... never say never ?

    Otherwise this would be an (another) example of a route never living up to its full potential and full glory. Can't imagine it is impossible to add some signal boards and one signal
     
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  7. TKessel

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    This! This! This!

    It is one of the best german routes so far and it could be soooo much better with some minor changes and fixes, and as always it is never coming to full potential because no fixes. Maybe with TSW6 and a re-release of the track with TOD5? ^^

    The problems are minor and known since a few days after release, so I will never understand why it is not fixed.
     
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  8. Rutgerski

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    It’s just a guess, but maybe the number of people who play HUD-less is just too low for them to be concerned with this kind of thing :/ With the rate new DLC has been coming out, maybe they don’t want their staff to linger on old routes. But yeah, it’s baffling.
     
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  9. TKessel

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    The signalling problems coexists with the hud, as the hud differs from the "track" information you get.
     
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  10. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, this kind of things not seeing patched, its clearly wrong priorisation or taking paying customers for granted.

    Im still on win 7 and intending to buy the win 10 with a new rig in mid2024, also i decided to take a different approach in 2024.
    I enjoy tsw, but i was pisse'd at dtg a lot in the begin of 2023 because route releasing states, lack of bug fixing etc etc.
    So my plan as a "must own all dlcs player" is to skip 6-8 months and buy everything on sale which has discounts between 50- 80%. It even has the benefit to get "updated" routes.
     
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  11. bdobronz1968

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    Seems that the PZB indicator lights of the Karlsruher Kopf are too dim again. That had been fixed on BRO some time after the release and was fine at LFR ever since, too, now it’s back again at LFR. It’s barely impossible to read them in daylight, even in cloudy conditions. No clue how DTG manage it to make those long time resolved bugs come back again. And the thumbnail in the train selection menu is wrong, too. It shows the red KaKo from BRO instead of the mint blue one from LFR. :(
     
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  12. fabienlimp95

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    I absolutely agree on that.

    And it is understandable. I have moved from buying anything long time ago and trying to focus more on stuff i really want (mostly german content). For me it was the increase in pricing, which i still think is to much especially given problems like mentioned before.

    Still, LFR is one of the beste german routes. And that single reason alone is why it deserves to be polished up if you asking me.

    Also, i would like to bring up the Idea of a modern Timetable version for LFR. There is enough Rolling Stock available and propably could use some services from the old time table aswell.

    The Route hasn't changed that much over the time and didn't lost its flair, so just taking the Route as it is wouldn't be no problem either.
     
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  13. TKessel

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    lierhein.jpg

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    I just played another service on Linke Rheinstrecke (TSW4), these two AI trains (yes they are two different ones) both had only the upper light illuminated?!

    Edit: And another one: lierhein3.jpg
    Problem is only on 463 cabcar, a 628 didn't have the problem:
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  14. TKessel

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    So to check this I 've choosen to spawn on foot at 21:30 at Mainz Hbf knowing a train would leave at this time...
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    So this is the issue...
    Checked BRO as well, it is working for the 463 their.
     
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  15. bdobronz1968

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    Yup, this bug exists since the update in which the headlights of the Karlsruher Kopf and the 110.3 had been made brighter. Maybe it will be patched some day, but I suppose it won’t since this is an TSW3 route now…
     
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  16. TKessel

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    So we can only hope for mods which will fix this...
     
  17. bdobronz1968

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    Or a fix by DTG. There are some annoying bugs left - some major, some minor - which should be fixed. This lovely route would deserve it.
    Especially the missing advance signal between Uhlerborn and Heidesheim. But also things like certain wrong PZB states, wrong PZB magnet at Gau Algesheim, too dim PZB indicator lights in the cab car, too dim (compared to BR110 and cab car) headlights of the 103 to name just a few of them. And of cause the misspelled station names like „Gau Alghesheim“ and „Büdenheim“. Or the fact that Bingen HBF is still called Bingerbrück in the HUD.
     
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  18. TKessel

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    Yes I would love to see all of this fixed too, the route is great and still have potential for the future, so could someone from DTG say something about that? DTG JD maybe?
     
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  19. neonym#9140

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    I haven't bought TSW4 because of this. Bugs in Rheinstrecke are gamebreaking to me, because this addons is not possible to play as "simulator", mainly because of missing/wrong signals. This route is most beautiful one to me, but these bugs are so immersive breaking that I don't play it anymore. And these bugs are baked in most of TSW content and they were never fixed. If DTG will ever fix these, I will buy some more content then.
    EDIT: Just quick-looked to Voralberg topic and it is still the same as it ever was - missing OHLE, wrong speed signs, indicators too bright or too dim, etc.
     
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  21. TKessel

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    I think I had zoomed out a bit (god mode is more possible zoom levels) + it is my ultra wide resoultion UWHQD (3440x1440p) which is 21:9.
     
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  22. Dinosbacsi

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    God the route in the latest sale, and I do enjoy it, the atmosphere and the setting is great! Love the old german stock and the length is perfect.

    But man, the scenery quality leaves much to be desired. Empty trackside area everywhere, just big blocks of repeating ballast textures... Noticeable even at 160 km/h when driving an IC service, but during slower services with the 110 and when stopped at stations it is really bad. Makes the whole route look unfinished.
    Assets have noticeable LOD issues, tracks in snow condition looks horrible, some crossing gates don't lower, at other crossing cars drive through even when they are closed.
    And despite the scenery looking weak, the performance it still horrible. It goes from 40 fps to below 20 fps for no apparent reason at places.

    I like driving on the route, with a 50% sale it was an acceptable deal, but god does it scream horrible craftsmanship. Great setting, very good rolling stock and timetable, but horrible route building.
     
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  23. TimTri

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    Which platform are you on? I’m asking because I just got it on PS5 and am having a completely different experience. Trackside scenery seems fine to me, definitely didn’t stand out negatively. And performance was satisfactory despite having all layers, I honestly can’t remember more than a few micro-stutters throughout my end-to-end timetable run.
     
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    I am on PC. Granted, I do have old hardware, so I am not expecting the best performance. But most of the time the route is running a good 30-40 fps, then in certain curves it suddenly drops to 20 or even lower. I assume it might either be the trees (when there are too many of them too close to the tracks) or the grass. A certain grass asset used to cause horrible framerate drops on Sherman Hill as well, I assume it might be a similar case here as well.

    As for trackside scenery, just look at these screenshots. Note the incredibly ugly repeating texture pattern on the track ballast - it is a problem on many TSW routes, but not all of them. But if there are cases when they can do nice looking tracks, then why do half of the routes end up with such ugly track assets? This looks very bad.
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    And my biggest annoyance is the big emptiness between the tracks. It's just empty terrain texture, once again with an ugly repeating pattern. To makes it worse, the color does not even match the track texture.

    On this screenshot below you can see it also, look at how empty it is between the tracks and the road. No detail at all, just empty terrain texture.
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    And very noticeable repeating track ballast texture everywhere you look.
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    It is most noticeable in big yards and at stations, where it's all just endless rows of ugly tracks with ugly terrain texture between, and no other detail. At least here they tried to include a bit of grass texture between the wide empty area between the tracks, but still, it looks empty and unfinished.
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    To present an exampe of how it should look, just take a look at Hmmsim Metro. Track ballast has no ugly repeating patterns, it blends in nicely between tracks and into the surround terrain, avoiding the model train track look that TSW has. Empty areas between the tracks are also nicely detailed with grass
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    Both games are train simulators running on Unreal Engine 4. TSW could also easily achieve this look if they spent a bit more time creating better looking assets (to prevent the repeating pattern texture issues) and a bit more care when detailing routes (honestly, using asset brush to put grass between tracks is not that hard). We know it can be done, because there are routes where the tracks look nice, also routes with areas that are well detailed. So this is just the case of carelessnes and lack of attention to detail.
     
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    There’s a lot that DTG can learn from Hmmsim Metro.

    And that game is being developed by a small team. I guess it comes down to time, care and pride of craftsmanship.
     
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    I didn't know TSW3 had a Fallout route? Nice job on getting that nuclear blast style lighting. Your screenshots nearly blinded me!
     
  27. TKessel

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    This is the TOD4 lightning, bugged since day 1.
     
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  28. Dinosbacsi

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    Sometimes station stopping points also seem to be weird? Driving the cab car for the first time, and there was a station where I was apparently supposed to stop at the long end of the platform overgrown with grass, before the paved section even starts. Does not seem prototypical to me?
     
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  29. TKessel

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    The "range" of the stop is better solved in SimRail where you just have an "area" to stop, not an exact marker. But I think this comes down to the point system in TSW.

    But yes, some stop markers feel widely placed, not only here.
     
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    There are points given and taken away in SimRail, too, at least in single player scenarios, but not for stopping precision, just for various other things, like blowing horn when passing appropriate sign, changing radio channel after passing another sign, arriving and departing according to schedule, opening doors at correct side, not rolling with open door, etc.
    For stopping, SimRail is more like TSC (where you need to stop in what's defined as platform, but the whole train, instead of with subway/metro-like precision to align train doors with something, like screen doors, which aren't present in TSW).
     
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  31. TKessel

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    This is what I meant, in SimRail you have an "area" to stop and you get points, in TSW you get points for how "precise" you stop next to the marker. The more precise, the more points. That's the difference.
     
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    Damn, that looks so good... now all that's missing is the firecracker, aka DB BR 141, at the end that's doing the pushing.
    Oh, Dreams come true, Thanks for the great work :love:
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  33. Dinosbacsi

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    Such a shame the N-wagen does not seem to spawn CC liveries in timetable mode. Subscribed to this, but it never appears.
     
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    Interesting it uses unreal 4 and doest have the shadow issues of tsw
     
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    The AI trains do not use windshield wipers in rain/snow. Please fix.
     
  36. Dinosbacsi

    Dinosbacsi Well-Known Member

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    Do they on any route?
     
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    A little Real vs Game comparison. It's not about the BR 141 here, although I'm certainly not the only one who would like it with the Silberlingen. What I noticed more here is that the trees are quite visible towards the Castle in the background. It's a shame a lot of the view is lost. If the route needs to be improved at some point, it would be nice if the area here could be adjusted a bit
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    Surely many people will now notice that the wall with the fence on the left of the picture is missing or that the form signals are not there on the right.
    The signal is there "A few meters further behind the picture" but no longer the old one but a modernized one.
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  38. Dinosbacsi

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    What year is the real life photo from? If it is an older photo, then it is quite likely that the foliage has grown over time. Though I'm not sure if such dense trees would grow in an incline like this. But it is a possibility that they took more modern reference material when creating the route, as a result the foliage being more dense.
     
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    You might be right. TSW does look closer to today:

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    As for the picture, it’s from 07.07.1981.
    Couldn’t find a proper picture from the late 90s for comparison.
     
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    The picture is from 1981
     
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    40 years is enough time for a tree to grow quite tall.

    In general, I find the hillsides in LRS to be too sparsely wooded. They should be dense, like in Clinchfield, except where the vineyards are.
     
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    I apologise for my previous lack of faith in this route.

    Just rebought it in the sale and thoroughly enjoyed the drive from Mainz to Koblenz. The DB 103 is assuredly a magnificent beast.

    Just a shame it will probably never get extended to Koln in the north and Frankfurt in the south.
     
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    Mainz-Frankfurt is very dull. The point of the route is the actual Rhine gorge.
     
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    Actually in the TSC version I found the approaches to Frankfurt and the tunnel section under the city quite fascinating. Complements the scenic section quite nicely. Though I would tend to favour extending the route towards Koln if that ever became a possibility.
     
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    Glad to hear you’re enjoying it :)
    The 103 is fantastic after the update that fixed the blended braking.
     
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    TSW 4 - Using Steam PC
    Drive with DB BR101 in FreeRoom - The Speed Indicator is wrong 136 km/h in Mini HUD is 101 km/h.
    In the right Multifunction-Display is a date 06.01.2.024 ??? correct is 06.01.2024
    Please correct it. Thanks.
    DB BR101 in LFR - Mini-HUD 101 km.h, Display 136 km.h.jpg
     
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    Just bought this route in the January sale after contemplating the various reports of stuttering.

    Am on PS5 and can confirm that in a handful of places along the route it stutters for a second or two. Not a dealbreaker for me, but all the more noticeable since on the PS5 most other routes don't, at least for me. Having spawned at one particular station, whenever I looked along a building towards the road and tried to move the camera, I could easily reproduce it.

    It's a very pretty route but perhaps there is a little bit too much going on, causing these hick ups.
     
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    route is nice, would use extension(s), that's right, but it would use more locos/trains even more... and ICE 1 has too few services there... I like the fact it is long and nice, but then, more trains there pls... I know it is supposed to be set in the past, but still :P
     
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    Easy solution: Release loco DLCs. A 140 for starters, then a 120 with IR coaches, …
    The possibilities are endless :)
     
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    Personally I would love a bit more freight alongside the route. There are quite a few yards and industry sidings, and it would be nice to have more variety than the 110 with only two type of freight cars.
     
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