Should Another London Underground Route Feature In Tsw?

I enjoyed the Bakerloo line and i do feel that it has been a while for tube related services, my dream would be to have the Metropolitan line from Aldgate to Amersham and Chesham with perhaps the Uxbridge and Watford lines as well, you could also feature railtours with the Mk1 set and class 20 as has happened previously on special trains on the Met. Another deep level line would be ideal to feature too though not the Piccadilly as it is just too similar to the Bakerloo in terms of traction and station design.

 

I agree, a sub surface route should do like the District line as it has the most stations

 

I'd like the District too, maybe with the Edgware road branch included

 

Im not to interested in underground lines but would think it could be interesting having one from usa or Germany as we don't have one from there yet.

 

The NY subway or maybe even the Washington metro would be quite interesting, maybe something from Berlin as well, literally nothing has featured from Berlin in TSW despite coverage of Germany being very thorough.

 

I'd love the MBTA Red Line.

 

I'd like it but I wouldn't want one that was all in tunnels... I like the Bakerloo route because it has a decent above ground portion.

 

NYC subway is off the menu due to access and security issues, per Matt P.

Another London route would be nice, the sub surface lines would need to be exceptionally well done to beat the Met and VDL in TSC. However I would be quite partial to the Northern Line if done in its entirety there is a decent network of alternative routes and branches. It also largely avoids parallel running with the main line network so less non productive railway land to build. Era wise, well I would like to see transition period in the late 70’s or early 80’s when the 1938, 1959 and 1972 stock could all be seen on the line.

 

Having given this some thought, I think I'd only really be interested in the Metropolitan line (preferably as part of a Marylebone - Aylesbury route) or at a push, possibly the District line, although I'm not sure either would be feasible right now.

The reason being that I don't find long stretches in tunnels underground to be particularly interesting, and the above two are the only lines that would offer much in the way of varied services and traction (particularly the Met) simply because of the nature of underground metro routes.

Only my opinion, others will feel differently I'm sure.

 

Yes it would be nice if Just Trains brought their Metropolitan Line to TSW4.

Alternatively DTG could do the Overground East London line from West Croydon/Crystal Palace/New Cross to Highbury and Islington with the Class 378. Despite it's name a goodly section of the route between Surrey Quays and Whitechapel is in tunnels - several stations, so it would please both sides that liked tunnels or not.

 

Well my view may not be popular, but I believe that TSW should step away from London and the South into the other areas of the UK including Scotland, Wales and the North of England, perhaps Yorkshire and the Lake District.

I also would prefer not to have another repetitive subway line like Bakerloo, one is more than enough.

Subway lines are just another version of the one- handled, stop and go emu paradigm which is so typical of recent UK routes and has already been continued with the Gremlin ( I mean Goblin ) line shortly to be offered. Boring would be an understatement.

 

I think all of GB has been pretty well covered with the exception of Liverpool and the NE, I may be a bit biased being from the SE but I think here there is the advantage of electric routes which are more exciting to drive than diesel as they accelerate faster, then there is the scenery aspect, built up cities are more interesting to drive than semi rural or rural routes as I said if another tube line is done it should be the met as that has decent fast runs and a combination of urban and semi rural scenery.

 

Anyone would think that TSW was composed of nothing but London-centric routes when in actual fact only one modern London termini is in the game. It's taken nigh on 5 years to even get the Overground. I'm sure DTG can't help modern traffic operating with one handle instead of two, whatever paltry difference that might make to our enjoyment. London has the oldest and the best and most significant rail network of any city in the world, that should be represented in-game. I'm sure other North of England routes will come to add to the several already in game if you are patient, but in the meantime remember not everyone is of the same opinion as you perhaps?

 

If we're doing district line then my preferred era would be the transition period with BOTH D78 and S7 stock so between 2010-2017

 

Technically, there are 2 modern London termini.

Paddington and St Pancras.

 

Has anyone forgotten East Anglia? The part of the UK with no routes whatsoever (apart from the tunnel on SEHS).

 

erm Victoria as well though to be fair Glasgow has 2 termini in the game and is about 10 times smaller than London!

 

Forgot that one. So, 3 then.

To be fair, its at least the largest city in Scotland.

 

Oh I generally agree, but I would make an exception for a historically set LT tube or sub surface route. My thoughts re the Northern or Distric/Met/Circle Lines is that done in their entirity they would offer more variety than the A to B of the Bakerloo - which would have been more interesting set in the 70's with through running to Watford Jn and the Stanmore route part of the Bakerloo branching off at Baker Street as opposed to now being the Jubilee Line.

 

Yes I like the Scottish routes anyway and I would be happy to see another out of Edinburgh especially which is a city I love and has scenic lines in all directions. As I have said we need another fairly fast electric route and Scotland could feature again in that aspect with a run down to Carlisle or Newcastle/Berwick on T.

 

We don't have a single Welsh route, all of GB is most definitely not covered.

 

There also isnt: anything East Anglia, nothing between St Austell and Brighton, one West Midlands Route, the Southeast hasn't really been covered in depth, and there's also a lot of Northern England and a fair bit of Scotland missing.

Most of GB definitely isn't covered.

 

There were issues with licencing I heard for Wales, much like with France which is why both nations are much less covered than one would expect with only one line for France and non yet for Wales. But yeah the South doesn't have that much coverage in tsw outside the London Sussex and Kent region and Isle of Wight, I would say the midlands and much of northern England are pretty well covered and parts of the SW and Scottish central belt.

 

Waterloo & City line anyone?

 

The North of England isn't that well covered:

1. ECML ends at Doncaster.
2. Glossop Line runs to Hadfield & Glossop from Manchester Piccadilly.
3. NTP goes via the TransPennine route between Leeds and Manchester.
4. TVL between Darlington and Saltburn.
5. Spirit of Steam between Liverpool and Crewe.
6. Blackpool route between Blackpool, Preston and Ormskirk branch.
7. Peak Forest between Ambergate and Chinley.

Whilst that is 7 routes, the ECML doesn't really count (if at all), and Glossop is the only modern route as the rest are backdated to the 80s (except for Spirit of Steam which is 50s and Peak Forest which is 60s). None of those above even scratch the surface; they're not particularly long either.

Not that we don't have many Northern routes, but there's still a lot of untapped potential.

 

I do think that the north has too many older routes and the south too many modern ones, the south ideally could do with a slam door southern route or maybe a Thumper route from London bridge to Uckfield, though to be fair the older routes based in the north are pretty good, especially the scenery on peak forest or the detail on Blackpool branches.

 

There would be no issues with Wales. It's operated by TFW which is government run. They've already given the license out previously.

 

That's true so I do hope they do a Welsh route soon and preferably the electrified one in the south!

 

Personally, another tube route wouldn't interest me enough to buy it.

I know you are new to the forum and all that but I can't let this slide. Look how small the South is compared to the 'North' and then the North suddenly looks very bare. Really anything in the south should focus on the SW or GW lines, but there are still plenty of areas away from the South which are uncovered (East Anglia, Wales, large parts of Scotland etc.). As I say you are new so I suppose we mustn't be too harsh!

 

I would love to see another underground route at some point. I actually got TSW2 originally because I was fascinated by the virtual recreation of the Bakerloo line. It’s still one of my most-played TSW routes to this day, and I took an extended trip along the line when we visited London last Summer. The effect Bakerloo had on lots of casual fans who gave TSW a try because of its release can’t be underestimated. I can only imagine how amazing an underground route would be with today’s tech.

 

Exactly and a tube line that is more like a rail line i.e the Met or maybe even something like the great northern metro to Moorgate along with a LNER pack from KX would be ideal as too much tunnel as others have said would be boring but those routes i mentioned don't have too much tunnel even on their underground sections.

 

If we get any new tube route, then it's MANDATORY to implement the announcemets. WOS was so much better immersiowise just because of that small detail. If DTG can't make it then it's better to leave it to JT or other 3rd parties.

 

Thanks, but I don't need reminding that everybody's opinion, including yours and mine, is equally valid. Perhaps re- read the first line of my post?

 

Not so fussed about another London line, but it's high time Berlin had some representation. The S-Bahn Ring route (S41/S42) would be brilliant!

 

Glasgow Subway would be interesting.

 

Yes you were certainly right about that. I wouldn't mind a route set in the beautiful Yorkshire Dales, Lake district or Wales, because any route to me is enjoyable. I'm not sure about Scotland yet though, there have already been two Scottish routes, plus a dlc pack, and the ScotRail livery might get a bit repetitive this early on, my feelings are that there are a lot of other deserving places before another Scottish route.

 

Kings X is the national termini there, St Pancras is really just for international services, and a subsidiary of Kings X. .

 

When DTG or a third party choose a route to be built it must be more than just about pleasing the folk on here, or the sheep and cows in the fields watching one train a day go by in the case of some of the most rural out of the way places! The route has to be interesting to drive and encourage replayability. The guidelines they follow may include the following:
1. Popularity of the route with us all, or at least some of us, though there is a big question mark of how much notice they actually take of route suggestions, but which can be broken down further:
2. Rolling stock on the line and can extra layers be added. The more the merrier.
3. Scenery along the route, but not to the exclusion of below..
4. How regular are services and how busy is the route.
5. Landmarks of note along the route.
6. Historical significance of the route.
Obviously the elephant in the room here is can they get the license for the operator? I personally don't want unlicensed trains. It's also pretty pointless recommending long routes as it's obvious now that this isn't like TSC where much longer drives are commonplace, especially in the past. Now we are being trained to accept routes that might only be 45 minutes long like the Goblin. I will still get this as I consider it a significant London service and the Overground has gone without representation for way too long. But I didn't buy the Glossop line whereas people local to it probably did.
It's a tough juggling act for DTG to please all of the people all of the time.

 

I feel like they’re a bit “scared” of going near Berlin or Frankfurt. It’s just a lot of complexity, and the scenery would need to be absolutely on point. Last time they tried modeling a truly big German city station, we got Munich-Augsburg, and we all know how that turned out…

 

Agree. I think Bakerloo was given upgrade treatment with preservation crew. It rocks now. I adore it. It is a go to route for some quick action. Frequent stopping and need to think ahead.

The District Line YES!

Piccadilly line too.

It would have to be circa 1980s though because the modern routes will never be done by DTG.

 

What is your obsession with this one station? I can assure you it isn't even the busiest nor biggest of the London termini.

 

TSW does not do well modeling large cities, especially in the US and UK as well as, I guess, Germany.

I'm thinking of New York, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh etc.

Difficult, time-consuming? Yes of course it's difficult, we all know that. But since when has difficult stood in the way of software and game development?

TSW's notion of what New York City looks like in the 2 or 3 routes that purport to show it, is truly cringeworthy.

 

I would like to see the Circle line with the old C69 / C77 stock.

 

LA isn't too bad in Antelope Valley. Considering it's age San Fran isn't bad building wise in Peninsular corridor, it's just the actual terrain/mountains that are terrible.

 

Viennese metro... *whispering into DTG ears* lol I am down for another subway experience, recently turned on Bakerloo after a long time and even though it doesnt have any safety stuff it was still an ok experience

 

Can you show some comparison shots from New York routes especially Trenton between Train Sim World scenery and real life scenery from same or close to same location?

I found the scenery in Trenton to b outstanding.

 

Never say never lol

 

Having spent a few evenings in Run 8, it does put the TSW crack at SoCal in a better light, both AVL and CJP. R8 will always have the edge on operations but it really is showing the limitations of their graphics engine.

 

how is Run 8 gameplay-wise? like advanced cab features, maybe "fahrplan" kind of thing in-cab and such?

 

I tried to build the Glasgow Subway but couldn't get the hang of the Editor.
To be honest I just ended up going round and round in circles.