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  1. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    Third Party Summary, then:
    BR 104 for Peak Forest [SimTrack]
    - First Gen DMU (hello, 101, we have a friend for you) in BR Green
    - Comes with two wagons [See above]
    - Comes with improved timetable, including Buxton Shuttle 104 services.

    Cargo Line Vol. 2 - Aggregates [Skyhook]
    - Follow-up to Cargo Line: Petroleum, focuses on aggregate movements.
    - Again, for Midland Mainline and Great Western Express

    Fife Circle Line [Rivet with Skyhook]
    - Route from Edinburgh to Markinch via Fife, crossing the famous Forth Rail Bridge.
    - Features the BR Class 170 'Turbostar' in ScotRail Livery
    - First 'Turbostar' DMU in TSW
    - Features the BR Class 158 [from MML] in ScotRail Saltire Livery, courtesy of Skyhook Games
    - Remake of TSC Route, third Scottish Route

    Tadami Line: Aizu-Wakamatsu - Tadami [Union Workshop]
    FIRST:
    - Route in Japan

    - Route in Asia
    - Route outwith the Atlantic World
    - Union Workshop Debut

    Revealled third parties list:

    I missed half of this and will need to go back through it later- although I did manage to make out RSSLO - who develop a plethora of German/European DLCs for Train Simulator Classic.
     
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    Crosstie Well-Known Member

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    Relieved that it's not one of those high speed Japanese bullet train routes. More like Forest Rail.
     
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    Purno Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I feared our "Asian route" would turn out to be a dedicated high speed route. Either Japanese or Chinese. Fortunately it's something much more interesting. :)
     
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    I went through and tried to make out every third party they mentioned:
    Rivet Games, Skyhook Games, SimTrack Studios, Luminaries?, Alan Thomson Sim, JustTrains, RailTraction, Train Motion, TSG, Union Workshop, Ticket to the north, Halycon Media and RSSLO
     
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    FIFE CIRCLE: More to Come?
    Stealing this one from the Dovetail Direct Thread:
    Credit goes to matt#4801 for the transcript.

    This is very open to interpretation. My theories:
    1. 158 Loco DLC
    This would be... unfortunate.
    The 158 is a staple on the Fife Circle Line and having it behind a paywall (especially for those who own Midland Mainline) would be a kicker. It could put people off of the route and many will just use the 158 via Livery Designer and Scenario Planner, I'd think. A shame if true, the 158 is a good DMU in-game.

    2. Inter7City inbound.
    Skyhook have already modified the HST once; why not a second time?
    "A couple of packs" leaves the possibility of an additional DLC open. ScotRail's HST-Powered Intercity service operates on the Fife Circle Line, with all services calling at Haymarket and Leuchars - just off of the route. Whilst this means AI Running from Haymarket north, it does allow the HST to be involved.

    Unfortunately, the HST doesn't have much to do in existing ScotRail routes, unless Fife Circle goes to Leuchars - which you shouldn't bank on happening.

    3. Class 68
    If we're going down the TSC Remake route, then the Class 68 could well be involved. With the Mark 2 units, the 68 temporarily ran faster services around Fife, mainly as the HSTs were waited upon.

    Beyond that - not much. Considering Matt references a "ScotRail" collection, I doubt he's referencing any freight, Steam or alternate operator Loco Add-ons.

    Oh, to hell with it. While I'm here, let's talk...
    Fife Circle: LNER and Other Operators
    London Northeastern Railway run 4tpd (each direction) between London (3tpd) and Leeds (1tpd) and Aberdeen.
    Along the Fife Circle Line, these call at Edinburgh Waverley, Haymarket, Inverkeithing and Kirkcaldy.

    Of course, LNER Operations would require either the Class 800 or, perhaps more excitingly, the HST. However, 8 Services at a very different pace would be interesting.

    CrossCountry run 1tpd (either way) on the Penzance - Aberdeen service. Caledonian Sleeper also run 1tpd on their London-Edinburgh-Aberdeen services.

    The Fife Circle will soon include the Levenmouth Rail Link, too.

    I'll do a full preview of Fife Circle at some point.
     
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    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    I think a 68 would be a great addition to the route, more so than the HSTs personally.
     
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    The full 3rd party list from the Roadmap:
    Rivet Games, Skyhook Games, SimTrack, Luminaries, Alan Thomson Sim, JustTrains, RailTraction, Train-Motion, TrainSim Germany, Union Workshop, Ticket to the North, Halycon Media, & RSSLO
     
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    FIFE CIRCLE PREVIEW
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    Welcome back to Scotland, folks. This time, it's a trip to the Kingdom of Fife, in TSW's new northernmost UK Route.

    Let's explore the route, and the potential it has going forward.

    The Route
    This is just a direct copy of https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/fife-circle-line.51127/ - edited to fix grammar and offer extra explaination.

    Edinburgh Waverley

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    Eastern End of the station, looking over the platforms. Edinburgh Castle is visible in the upper-left of the image.

    Edinburgh Waverley. Located near the city's iconic Princes Street. Situated in a trench between Edinburgh's New Town and Old Town - the station is the main station serving Scotland's capital, and serves as the northern terminus of the East Coast Mainline from London Kings Cross.

    The station was opened in 1846, as part of the North British Railway, and went by the name of North Bridge. On 17 May, 1847, two stations - General Station (Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway), and Canal Street (Edinburgh, Leith and Newhaven Railway) - opened. In April 1866, the North British Railway demolished the existing stations, and in their place built Edinburgh Waverley. 100 years later, in 1966, the station was renamed as simply 'Edinburgh'. At a later date, the station's name was changed back to Edinburgh Waverley once more.

    The grand glass roof protecting the station from the (harsh) Scottish weather, and the wonderful, classic ticket hall, preserved to hold it's traditional looks, are only part of what give this station character.
    Most services to/from the station terminate, with all services (ScotRail) from the west terminating, bar a few exceptions. Many LNER services terminate here as well.

    Haymarket
    The Second Station out of Waverley, Edinburgh's Haymarket serves the Haymarket area of the City, and is a key stop, located where the Lines to Carstairs, Glasgow and Dundee (our one) diverge/meet. Near enough...

    The Station has five platforms, (numbered 0-4). Platform primarily takes services in/out which have originated from, or are going to, Haymarket Depot - rather than seeing much regular passenger services.

    Haymarket Depot
    The Primary Depot for ScotRail's Diesel Fleet; Haymarket is the only Depot on the Fife Circle Line. Already seen in TSW3's Edinburgh - Glasgow route - Haymarket will now be brought to life by the Class 170 and Class 158 units that live here.

    South Gyle
    The first Station after leaving the Edinburgh-Glasgow line, South Gyle serves the West Edinburgh suburb of the same name, and is a relatively new station, having opened in 1985.

    The station sees roughly 400,000 passengers a year, and has two platforms.

    Edinburgh Gateway for Edinburgh Airport
    Edinburgh Gateway is a station/interchange in Gogar, Edinburgh, located near Edinburgh Airport.

    The Station was opened in 2016 to connect to the Edinburgh Trams route between Edinburgh City Centre and Edinburgh Airport - acting as an interchange for passengers in Fife and from further north. With a quick and direct service to Edinburgh Airport from Gateway, it eliminates the need for travellers to go to Haymarket or Edinburgh before returning to the Airport area.

    Dalmeny
    Our Final Station before we cross the iconic forth bridge, Dalmeny is located in Queensferry, to the south of the famous bridge.

    The Station is elevated, as trains make their way up towards the Forth Bridge.

    Forth Bridge
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    The Forth Bridge; a UNESCO World Heritage Site and an icon of Scotland. Voted (2016) as Scotland's greatest man-made landmark. Running for 8,094 feet (just under 2.5km), the bridge is an icon, towering over the River and Firth of Forth, and it's neighbouring towns.

    North Queensferry
    Located on the North Bank of the River, and just off the Bridge, we have North Queensferry. The station has a mural on it's western platform, and that's about it.

    Inverkeithing
    At Inverkeithing the line splits, with the Inner Line going via Dunfermline, and the outer going via Kirkcaldy.

    Inverkeithing is located near the M90's junction to connect with most of Southern Fife - which the railway does intersect.

    We're going to stick by the Coast here, heading up to Kirkcaldy, then Glenrothes, then we'll loop back around via Dunfermline and end up here.

    Dalgety Bay
    Opened in 1998, Dalgety Bay serves the town for which it is named, and is located right on the Fife Coast. The station is very much so a pleasant one, with trains practically ontop of the North Sea.

    Aberdour
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    This Station has a fairly nice building. It also had a camping coach here until 1957.

    Burntisland
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    Burntisland was the Southern Terminus of the Edinburgh & Northern Railway, with boats going across the Forth. to Edinburgh, while the railway went north to Leuchars and Perth. The station was intended to be the southern terminus on a permanent basis (this was 50 years prior to the Forth Bridge's construction), and therefore a lot of care went into it's design.

    Kinghorn
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    Kinghorn station is located at the perfect height and position to get a great view out to the sea.

    Kirkcaldy
    Dating back to 1847 - when, along with Burntisland and Aberdour - it opened on the Edinburgh & Northern, Kirkcaldy is now a major station on the line. Firstly, it's the last station before the line to Dundee and the Fife Circle split. Secondly, Kirkcaldy is a major town in itself.

    The Station has a fairly modern station building on the southbound platform, and the BTP also have an office at the station. There is also a mounted version of "Boy in the Train", a poem by Mary Campbell, which is about returning to Kirkcaldy by train, and smelling the industrial smells of the town, which can be found above the stairs to P1.
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    Markinch
    Whilst not technically on the Fife Circle, it's a more sensible place to end Perth/Dundee services, and means we don't have to leave trains as AI at Kirkcaldy when they still are on the Circle.
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    Glenrothes with Thornton

    This is the First 'terminus' station on the line, with many services "terminating" here - terminating is in quotation marks because most then do a service on the other side of the circle, meaning it's basically just Edinburgh - Edinburgh, but anyway.

    The station opened in 1992 and is by far secondary to Markinch (in terms of Glenrothes traffic anyway), and is now quite a quiet station.

    Cardenden
    Opened in 1848 on the Dunfermline branch of the Edinburgh & Northern Railway, Cardenden was a terminal station from 1969 until 1989, when the line to Thornton and the mainline re-opened - at which point services then loop round, or terminate at Glenrothes.

    Lochgelly
    There's not much here.

    Cowdenbeath
    Opened in 1890, Cowdenbeath is another major station on the line. Despite it only seeing around 150,000 passengers a year, the station has Terminating services to/from Edinburgh, with trains reversing at points to the north of the station. Prior to 1989 when the line became a circle, this was the primary terminus on the Dunfermline Branch - with some continuing to Cardenden. The station, despite surviving the Beeching Cuts prior, slowly continued to lose services until the revival of Fife's connections.

    Dunfermline Queen Margaret
    The Station with the longest name in Scotland. Dunfermline Q.M. opened in January 2000, talking it's name from the nearby Queen Margaret Hospital.

    The station is the secondary station in the town, seeing about a third of Dunfermline City's passenger count.

    Dunfermline Town City
    The bigger station in the City of Dunfermline, seeing 650,000 entries/exits pre-Covid; Dunfermline Town is probably the main station on the Fife Loop.

    Opened in 1890 as 'Dunfermline Lower', the station became 'Dunfermline' in 1968 - standing as the town's only station at that point. In 2000, when Queen Margaret Opened, the station became Dunfermline Town.
    In 2022 - the station was renamed Dunfermline City, as Fife's traditional capital became Scotland's 8th City.

    Rosyth
    Rosyth - known most for it's major Naval yards and port, is certainly a significant location in modern Scottish history.
    Rosyth Station dates back to 1917, when it opened to serve the town's Naval bases.

    Services
    The Main Route
    The Fife Circle Line is a fairly simple route to understand when it comes to service patterns.

    1tph • Edinburgh <-> Cowdenbeath via Dunfermline
    1tph • Edinburgh <-> Glenrothes with Thornton via Kirkcaldy
    1tph • Edinburgh <-> Glenrothes with Thornton via Kirkcaldy - Continues as Edinburgh <-> Glenrothes via Dunfermline - just a circle service.
    1tph • Edinburgh - Edinburgh via Fife

    Additionally, there's the mainline services:
    1tph • Edinburgh <-> Perth
    1tph • Edinburgh <-> Dundee

    As posted already in the Fife Circle thread, here's a diagram of Fife Circle service patterns.[​IMG]

    And, for Comparison's sake, here's the similar-ish Cathcart Circle Line:[​IMG]
    As you can see, Fife Circle may lack the branches of Cathcart - but that doesn't lose the variety. Not at all.

    Haymarket
    Haymarket depot services either go directly to Edinburgh Waverley, or use Haymarket's Platform 0 as a starting point for their regular services.

    Non-Player Services
    Waverley West:
    Edinburgh - Glasgow
    4tph • Queen Street via Falkirk High - Cl. 385
    1tph • Central via Shotts - Cl. 158/385
    1tp2h • Central via Carstairs • Cl. 385


    Croy Line
    2tph • Edinburgh - Dunblane - Cl. 385

    Waverley East:

    Borders Railway - Cl. 158/170
    2tph • Edinburgh <-> Tweedbank

    North Berwick Line - Cl. 385
    1tp2h • Edinburgh - Dunbar
    1tph • Edinburgh - North Berwick


    ECML - Cl. 801
    1tph • London - Edinburgh
    1tp2h • London - Edinburgh (limited)
    1tpd • London - Glasgow
    3tpd • London - Aberdeen*
    1tpd • Leeds - Aberdeen*
    1tpd • London - Inverness*
    1tpd • London - Stirling

    *These services would require a HST/Class 800. As such, they would have to only be shown at Edinburgh - possibly just disappearing along the Edinburgh-Glasgow line.
    London - Stirling and Glasgow would both be fine.

    Potential...
    The Fife Circle has a LOT of potential for DLC...

    This, it feels, has dragged on a bit, so here's a summary list:
    - ScotRail HST (for Express services)
    - ScotRail Class 68 (for Fife Circle services)
    - LNER HST (LNER Scottish Services)
    - LNER Class 800 (LNER Scottish Services)
    - CrossCountry HST (for XC's Aberdeen service - only 1tpd, though)
    - EWS Class 67 (if the 68 comes then the 67 wouldn't be out of place - as they served the same purpose)
    - Caledonian Sleeper (again, Class 67. Certainly would be interesting although services only call at Kirkcaldy and Inverkeithing)

    I won't drag this post out too long - but that's a quick summary of all things Fife Circle.
     
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  9. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    Fife Circle: 26/3/24
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    https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...950.452485695.1710265830-427841163.1710265830

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    It's almost time to head on over to Fife and enjoy the first Turbostar in the franchise; as Fife Circle launches on March 26th.

    Enjoy the iconic Forth Bridge as you leave the Edinburgh side of the Firth of Forth for the 'Kingdom of Fife', on either the loop or coastal lines.

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    You've already heard enough from me on this route, so I won't go on.

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    Pre-ordering is available in the above article.

    And what a time it is to play TSW, especially for UK players!

    Goblin Line and Fife Circle within the same month (+ Rosenheim-Salzburg)

    Things are looking good, my friends.
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