Semmeringbahn Discussion Thread

With full Route do you mean the entirety of austria as in your map? Yeah, keep dreaming.

 

With "full" I mean Vienna to Graz

 

it's a Railjet route only map

 

maybe

 

If DTG have any commercial sense, they will do a Railjet (WITH cab car, dammit) as a loco DLC which layers into Semmeringbahn, Rosenheim, and any future Austrian main line they may do (and as AI traffic in a revamped HMA, since they are in and out of München all the time, though obviously not on the western Ulm leg). Rather like the Acela, designed from the get-go to run on both Northeast Corridor routes.

 

Vienna Flughafen to Graz - that would allow for the railjet to be used for a full journey.

 

You will need this at Semmering Station.

 

well, kind of, but then, Wiener Neustadt Hbf is FAR from being an anonymous station - there are literally three corridors leading in there from Wien Hbf (Modling/Baden Line, Pottendorfer Linie recently upgraded to a highspeed one with vmax 200 when all stuff is done there and Aspangbahn), and it has like 2 freight yards attached... with trains coming out of Vienna and back there like every 2mins... the town might not be huge but it is a major railway junction in Ostregion and on Sudbahn

 

jokes on you, on an ICE T video (the train, obviously) someone in the comments seriously asked "where is Ice-T? all I see is a white man and a train" like bruh

anyways back to topic

 

200 km. Yeah, right.

 

I mean we got the 186km long Kassel-Würzburg route...

 

I’d be shocked if we got near 186km again, at least anything outside of desert/tunnels.

 

186 km of nothing but bridges and tunnels. The route across the middle of Austria would require much, much more intensive modeling.

 

100km of those are buried I believe but yeah you're right

 

With 90% of tunnels, best route ever

 

It would have been nice if they also updated the ÖBB 4024 with the new CityJet livery. (Depending on the year this route is set in almost all units have been refurbished)

 

IIRC, the route is set some years ago, ca. 2013

 

So one thing this thread proves: there's a huge desire for a Railjet. Now if everybody who quoted here (and anyone else who sees a railjet and thinks "hell yeah") opens a new thread in the suggestions forum for a Railjet, chances are high someone from DTG notices this and says on their next meeting "you know what? people want this railjet. Can we do it?" and Matt will (hopefully) be like "hell yeah"

 

Could also have been a white train and a man

 

That was Rosenheim - Salzburg set in 2013. On the Roadmap Q&A stream Matt said this year was chosen because it is a window in time where Salzburg is a modern implementation with the overlap of running Deutsche Bahn trains. Later than that would be private operators which they do not have the licenses for.
Source: Train Sim World Roadmap Q&A - February 2024 @31:05

 

To be fair, DTG have barraged TSW with many a Taurus & TRAXX etc. If they don’t see the demand for Railjet then we’re in trouble.

 

yea but there are railjet routes missing.

 

Rosenheim Salzburg upcoming is one, Semmering Bahn is two I believe, third is Vorarlberg (Bludenz, Dornbirn, Bregenz are RailJet stops on some services)... besides old school IC trains, RailJet is the go to intercity and international flagship thing so any major Austrian route would have a layer of that

 

how i seen it there is the Railjet Südbahn missing. that goes from Bregenz to Friedrichshafen and then to Frankfurt (Main)

 

Done:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/Öbb-railjet-with-br-1116.78854/

 

Tried a quick shift in Wiener Neustadt in Stellwerksim, the meetups of local branches are truly something.. if TSW had even half of it, it would still be busiest station in the game..

 

To be fair, the Railjet (come on, JUST DO IT) would also be some kind of easy money! Because: The loco is already in game, would only need a new livery. The sounds for the wagons could just be used from the normal IC coaches of the 101 and the cab of the cab car is (almost) the same as the Taurus one. They would literally only have to do the cab car and the wagons and could charge 20 bucks- and still everyone that eventually touches Austrian routes would rip it out of DTGs hands

 

Would be ideal for a loco DLC (and if an Austrian Loco ever goes on the roadmap I’m sure the forum will be alight with RailJet predictions), but I wonder if DTG will hold it back for a route loco.

RSSLO is on the third party list so maybe it’ll be there way into TSW, similar to Simtrack.

 

the wagons/coaches on RailJet are totally different from regular IC coaches, they are called Viaggio Comfort, also have different suspension and all since they are designed to withstand 230 km/h speeds... so not such an easy work

 

I know that they are different- but I meant that sound wise it should be fine to use the sounds

 

Distance is not necessarily everything though. For a route like Semmeringbahn with all the twists and gradients (plus not forgetting all that stunning natural landscape to admire) the speed limit is quite low, just 50-60km/h I believe at times which is unique. Plus, I believe that non-stop Intercity services still take around an hour to go between Wiener Neustadt and Murzzuschlag and obviously considerably longer for local stopping services.

I'm just happy to see more Austrian routes come to TSW as Vorarlberg is one of my all-time favourite routes and Semmeringbahn is a fantastic choice.

 

Agreed, generally I do prefer routes with significant start & end points (specifically for IC/RE runs), but I also look for routes that offer a better experience.

Between the mountain pass & racetrack this route will give a good prospective on the high speed running, aswell as giving you general sense of going to & from somewhere. Fast trains feel faster when you have sections that throttle you.

Definitely more in this for me than something like KWG, where the feature is 186mph running, but then you don’t really feel that special because all of the route is high speed.

 

just shut up and take my money already lol

 

For those of us patiently waiting, the RailRelaxation YouTube channel just posted a Graz-Wien cab view that includes the Semmeringbahn:
https://youtu.be/YI2Jvhj7Yn8

 

You know the maximum speed for that train would be 200 km/h as that is the limit for the passenger coaches.
In a way I would love it if some checks of the maximum speed of the rolling stock would be implemented and scoring would be done accordingly, in a game where the word "sim" is used and people can regularly ignore the speed limit of the train.
In real life this would be as serious as going over the speed limit of the track itself and you would probably be sent to shunting duty for a while, or even sent looking for a new job.

 

thats why we need RailJet... that one has revised coaches, different bogies etc, to handle the maximum speed of 230 kmh

 

After today's roadmap, it has got me even more excited for Semmeringbahn - especially how very superb Rosenheim-Salzburg has been - I'm super optimistic. While the 1116 will be great, I'm actually a big fan of the 4024 so some longer journeys across Semmeringbahn - like that of Vorarlberg - will be enjoyable in such an interesting and picturesque route I hope!

 

sadly there is just a 2. Class coach coming with the 1116

 

I would have liked to get a new livery (Cityjet) for the 4024 as this is the third occurence already.

 

Unfortunately DTGs 1-dimensional thinking always stayed below the "bare minimum" mark when it comes to boost a dlc with extras to advertise it.

The only exceptions are the initial releases of new TSW iterations. There you get a lot for the money.

 

There is another locomotive that runs up the entire route the fastest locomotive in the whole world 1216 which operates ÖBB Nightjet 456/457 Graz Berlin Hbf EN 477 Metropol Budapest Keleti Prag Bodenbach KkStb Elbtalbahn Dresden Elsterwerda Berlin Hbf. In the future they should make nightjet pack that changes Main Spessart Bahn making the NJ420/421 Nürnberg Duisburg Oberhausen Emmerich am Rhein Zevenaar Arnhem Utrecht Amsterdam playable HMA 420/421 468/469 Paris Gare L'est/Bruxelles Gare du Midi-Strasbourg/Aix en la Chappele (Aachen) Mannheim Stuttgart Augsburg München Hbf. KWG 490/491 420/421. Lastly the new route Salzburg Rosenheim 468/469 462/463 Kalman Imre. In the case of Munich to Augsburg nightjet typically use the fast tracks overtaking 143 112 146.2 425s

 

been there a couple times... and if you are travelling to Vienna, you have 0 reasons to hurry at buying a ticket from a ticket machine, cos a train to Vienna usually goes every like 1-3mins, from RailJets to AspangBahn and such cr.p aaand it has also freight sections and sidings... branches to like... everywhere

 

last couple trips to Vienna I made it a point to watch for Taurus + 2nd class coaches only consist, to see if those really operate from Vienna and beyond... and yes, I encountered quite a couple of em... some had 1st class coach, many didnt include that... so it isnt unrealistic

 

Amazing to see ppl get crazy for recycled content, then asking to recycle content again to pay for it again. Dont get me wrong, i absolutely see the demand of railjet trains, but in terms of rolling stock that seem to come with this route its rather mild. DTG really isn't pulling a leg here. Even more, the community seems happy about it.

This Route should have come with a completely new loco at least. This way, they are separating it again to make more revenue. A Route is 36 Euros, a train DLC is 18 Euros nowadays, that summs up to 54 Euros..... Big nope from me to this price politics.

 

I fully agree with you, it's quite frustrating that even a 1st class IC Coach was too much to ask for... the unfortunate trend of very little new rolling stock per DLC continues.
I fear it's a mix between limited accessibility and lack of (personal) resources for train modelling.
Since LFR with so much potential for further addions which seems to be another completely abandoned piece of content now I don't have any hope that much content is about to follow as well. And if, then not for Semmering which will then lead to another iconic route with only a minimum of rolling stock variety...

 

I hope in case that there are plans to do the railjet, they already built the Semmering timetable with a railjet layer. I mean they built Salzburg-Rosenheim with a layer for the 1116, so it's not too far off to hope for that.

 

That's kind of interesting- given that Railjet is the conceptual equivalent of DB's IC and ICE, which both derived from the TEE, and all of which were first-class only services for many years, the idea of no first class at all seems a little bizarre.

Besides, it's not like first class on OBB costs all that much more.

 

The Railjet is a fixed consist. It can't not have first class coaches.