If we get a XC livery I want it on BCC between Aston and Bromsgrove get some more traffic on BCC why not
Back to the topic my dear friends ! One wish I have is the addition of the quite dense maritime traffic under the Forth Bridge ! And isn't that bridge beautiful
May we finally see a different train at Birmingham New street in the future I hope so as BCC is a fantastic route and one that deserves more attention .
Right, I think that is enough needless bickering. I will take appropriate actions against those that felt the need to derail this thread, but won't close it as I feel that would be a disservice to those that are interested in actual dialogue.
Those are 2 cracking pictures. Amazing the difference in the atmosphere from the weather that you can make out on the same structure.
They also run between Derby and Nottingham on an hourly service - which would be really good to have. (Like for like trade? Skyhook offer a SR 158, Rivet give a XC 170?)
Have the 2 dmus this route is offering into the sim opens up so much more potential for other routes which reading the Cargoline threads is what many players want and that is more variety in current route offerings in the sim. I am all for packs like the centro line 323 pack where you pay a small price to have a train added to a current route to enhance it more and I am sure lots of others will be happy to pay that price as well. Why have these amazing routes in sim and not run them to the full potential the sim is desired to create.
I think the passenger ships (which would run from Rosyth) have been absent for years. The ferries between the two Queensferry's have been suspended, I think because of the Queensferry Crossing - possibly for another reason.
The fact we're now getting a 170 in the game gives me hope my Doncaster to Hull via Goole suggestion will have a (probably very small) chance. The 170s on the line still have SoctRail branding in places, so it fits.
So, we know the route will be populated with AT LEAST an AI 385, alongside the 170. SHG are adding their 158 later, is the Scotrail 158 different to the MML one (other than just looks) As in same or different powerplant? Is the Scotrail one 3 coaches? What else could we see added in? 4+2 HST I7C LNER Azuma AI KGX - Edinburgh LNER Azuma Driveable KGX - Aberdeen/ Inverness 66 + coaches masking as that fancy highland hotel on rails? (Belmont/ Royal scot? I forget the name) Freight/ Engineering pack services? Could potentially be a fairly busy route!
That has been a much requested route in TSC for years and it has never made it to the sim. Hopefully it can make its appearance in TSW
Rosenheim is 2013, yeah. Fife Circle; Assuming it is directly in-line with Edinburgh-Glasgow, is 2022/23 (roughly) If it includes the construction of the Levenmouth Rail Link - it's 2023/24. If it includes the Levenmouth Rail Link (open - there's about a 0.001% chance of that one happening) then it's late 2024.
I'd hazard a guess it'd be in the same timeframe as Edinburgh to Glasgow. Gives us the opportunity for a 385 layer as well as some interesting scenery of the construction.
Scotrail's 158s run on Cummins engines too. I have never heard a Scotrail 158 with a Perkins in reality. The only thing I expect from the SR 158 is a reskin and the seats changed into a Scotrail Moquette instead of an EMT one. I just hope Skyhook (and even Rivet to an extent) provide both DMUs with a sensible timetable.
I'd too love to see this region although it is a bit flat and straight or maybe York to Burley Park via Harrogate as you'd get the view going over the viaduct in Knaresborough the 170s tend to be used quite a bit on that route too.
Pretty sure Scotrail doesn’t have any Perkins units, as they’re numbered 158815 - 158862, last I saw Scotrail didn’t have any of those units. The difference on the Scotrail sets are in the cab & skirts of the unit, so would need a slight remodel.
Rivet's timetables (since Arosa) have always seemed to be easily achievable, certainly with EDN, there's always at least 90 - 120 seconds dwell time. The only one that had issues was WCL when the 150's physics got 'adjusted' (turned down too much)
It's mainly Skyhook I'm concerned about given they still haven't fixed the MML's impossible timetable for the 158. With Rivet I just hope they don't unnecessarily omit services from the schedule like they did with E-G.
I don't think we're likely to see any Azuma Services beyond the static ones at Edinburgh unfortunately. It would be fantastic, but it's the wrong type of train. We have 801's but not 800's and as the majority of the route has no OHLE you'd struggle to get anywhere fast on that single emergency engine.
Rivet Games don't really do much with layers... So I'm expecting Fife Circle to be pretty dead when it comes to AI variety. Wolverhampton - Coventry via B'ham international Airport Birmingham - Shrewsbury Birmingham - Walsall I am probably missing a few, but the 170s did fill-in for a lot of routes in the not so distant past.
To be fair to them, they did well with the E2G layers considering they had very little to go off. WCL they even overdid it and hashed up the route era. I think they’ll utilise everything we have, Matt has made a song and dance about a Scotrail fleet & the LNER stuff is a never ending request.
The LM/WMR class 170's worked New Street to Worcester and Hereford services before the new DMU's came.
That would be because they couldn't. Ignoring freight; IoW - No layering options Arosa - No layering options WCL - Layers used (NTP) LZN - No layering options IOW2022 - Same as IoW EDN - No layering options at launch (801 came later) BNL - ?
I hope the Class 158 is improved upon and not just the one from MML with a different livery because if that's the case it should be included with the route as a layer.
I'd hope not. Edinburgh to Glasgow used the pandemic timetable which is why it's so empty compared to irl. I hope it's modern day. Gives us the best traffic opertunities.
It would only be drivable on the Aberdeen services because the Inverness services go via Perth and Stirling.
Even so, the class 170 layering onto non-scottish routes wouldn't happen anyway cause it would require a full livery and interior overhaul.
Which wouldn’t be worth while as the lner service only calls at Edinburgh, haymarket, inverkeithing and Kirkcaldy where it would finish in the route sadly and be unrealistic as no crew change would take place there and no lner service would terminate either.
They’re just trolling at this point, best to ignore. There are whole DLC’s in TSW built with services that are shorter than Edinburgh to Kirkcaldy. It’s a 30-40 minute service even on an LNER service. The problem really is that you can’t power our 801’s in TSW on that section (although in TSW we have the super special 801 which uses electric diesel power plants at the same time).
I wouldn't be surprised if the Class 158 is another £4.99 reskin, and the Class 68 is another £11.99 loco DLC a few weeks after Fife Circle is released. Steam Summer Sale is only a few months away, and the Winter sale should see a nice discount failing that... so not going to rush into buying this route.
Yeah you’re probably right with the pack pricing, but the 68 would need some Mk2’s so I wouldn’t be surprised if it hit £14.99. Fife could unlock the true potential of Scotrail in TSW, which in turn could theoretically build the majority of UK’s diesel fleet. I really hope Rivet understand the weight of getting this DLC right.
