Hello all, I think that Brighton Mainline would be great if it got remastered. Update it to TOD4 Add GSMR to the class 377/4 Add GSMR to the class 387/4 Passenger improvements Scenery improvements Possibly add London Bridge extension Add class 700 services, they are such an important part to the Brighton Mainline Update timetable to include special services such as 1H91 and 1H92. Make it so the Littlehampton and Eastbourne/Ore services are separate. I would definitely be happy to pay for these improvements as BML has so much potential.
What bml needs is optimization. Remember rush hour passengers still do not exist. It's basically at a point where if you try to add more, it would bring more bad than good so unless it gets optimized, I don't think it's wise to get all that
I definitely agree, I think the issue is they would need to remake the route from scratch as they have said it has memory issues. I would love ToD 4, GSMR and extension to London Bride, would make the route perfect.
Services that are to Littlehampton & Ore, Southampton Central & Bognor Regis and Portsmouth Southsea & Bognor Regis run as one train to a certain point. Splitting these would make no sense as they run together irl. Please do research before making requests.
My research is actually living on the Brighton Mainline. As per the timetable there is 2 trains per hour to Littlehampton and 1 train to Ore per hour and 1 train to Eastbourne per hour. The Southampton/ Portsmouth Hbr still do uncouple at Horsham. The Ore services still do uncouple with the rear 4 continuing to Ore and the front 4 terminating at Eastbourne.
At the time BML was released they ran as 1 train. Thats what Im getting at. BML isnt based in 2024. The only reason it only has 377 and 387 is because they chose not to make a 455.
I'd personally love to see Littlehampton terminus, as Littlehampton is my home town so I know the route especially well. But optimization is definitely required Makes you wander what could be done with all the routes when you consider the improvements that were done to WSR
After all this time BML still hasn’t got Rush hour passengers so I find everything else besides ToD4 and GSMR very unlikely. The only reason Boston sprinter and Dresden got their updates is becuase of the Acela & Vectron, if it wasn’t for those 2 they would’ve remained untouched. Unless they add other train (which is also unlikely due to performance reasons) BML will be left alone. HMA is in a similar state, look how long it’s been since the BR 420 was announced, it’s not coming until performance is better.
I bet BML is a can of worms they just won’t ever open. All the best parts of BML are the reasons we’ll never see the worst parts get fixed. Personally I’d like to see all the oddities chucked out (SE Redhill diverts & HST later) & the southern stoppers & 700 put in, with a 442 DLC. A 455 DLC would be a nice as a break from all the electrostar running. I reckon that unless forced by an Unreal issue, BML will never be touched again.
Tbh I’d accept sorting the blurry wheels, open rear doors, lit cab in tunnels and having passengers post Gatwick airport.
BML definitely needs an update in some form. London Bridge is probably off the cards as although the extension itself is relatively short, the time needed to model the very complex network of lines around London Bridge itself would likely be a lot of work. TOD4 and a Thameslink layer with the Class 700/1 would be most ideal.
I would definitely be up for this, however as far as DTG is concerned there is a major snag; not enough ram on gen 8 and Series S consoles. Wouldn't be against this coming to PC and the premium consoles exclusively but I doubt that would happen. DTG said when console support was added to TSW 2020 that it would not hold back the game’s development, yet here we are.
Consoles are massively holding back the games development. Look at the NYT timetable, it got freight removed due to exceeding ram limits of consoles. I have 64GB of ram on PC, I am never running out of memory, no matter what TSW does.
The route doesn't need remastering as it still feels quite fresh and accurate, just try and make the gorgeous view of the South Downs more solid when coming into Hassocks as at the moment they look like they are being broken up by the sky! I would love a 90s Brighton route with the slamdoors and 73s though but one can dream.
Sony have now outright said that we are halfway through the lifespan of 9th gen, the 9th gen pro consoles are on the horizon, and DTG still allow themselves to be held back by 8th gen...
I'm playing it on XBOX Series S right now, (7V00 Newhaven Day Aggregates to Acton T.C) and can't say that I'm experiencing any more lag than other routes, so it can't be "that" badly optimized. I honestly get worse lag on TVL and NTP than I'm getting on BML.
BML doesn't crash for me. SEHS does. BML maybe isn't that optimised, but it still runs almost perfect on 8th gen. The only thing I would like to see is the 700 added, and possibly a 455 for the London suburban services.
For the franchise to grow technically, I would imagine TSW5 or 6 will have to drop support for gen 8 and the Series S due to their ram limitations. Perhaps at that point we'll see a remaster of L2B. Matt has already said that shortage of ram is the reason why the 700 layer was not added.
The fact they never went back in and fixed the missing track at Redhill South, the various stretches without lineside fencing and the farce that is Reigate says it all. The route is well and truly off the DTG Flywheel, IMHO.
There are a lot things that should happen for TSW to grow, but DTG always take the path that leads to the pot of gold. If sales are significant on Gen 8 still (which I suspect they are), DTG will keep them on board. The series S isn’t so simple though, they’d have to deal with Microsoft’s bizarre rules on that one. There are a few communities now though where resentment for the S is growing, as its existence is almost a punishment for series X owners. When the new Xbox & PS Pro release, I doubt DTG will do much to push the game to fit the new specs, it’ll likely be more about breathing space for the current versions. Either way, a couple of years ago I didn’t really see the need to drop Gen 8, but I do agree it’s probably something that needs to be on the table now. So many things are in need of DTG’s focus at the moment, if Gen 8 is taking any of that time away, then it needs to go.
I mean gen 8 is 11 years old for god sake. It should have been dropped about 3 years ago. It's absolutely ridiculous that we are being held back so much by it at this point.
did they even add London bridge - Brighton services at all in the timetable? terminating at east croydon without the extension i don't think i have ever seen them south of redhill the line starts to feel more and more empty. with the slow lines from redhill - three bridges not having any stopper services still hopefully if they come back to the route then these gaps in the timetable will be filled. even if the 700 isn't included it could still be better
Microsoft will never allow the XBOX Series S to become obsolete this generation. A £150 box getting casual gamers to subscribe to Game Pass is too much of a gold mine.... Casuals ain't dropping £450 on a Series X. You'll be waiting until Gen 10 in 2026/2027 before the Series S gets killed off.
Sorting out the state of performance and crashes would be good, but I’m praying dtg keep tod4 away from the route. It would ruin it
Playing on pc Ive already got the 700 on the BML and it works great, no memory problems whatsoever as DTG suspected and have their excuse about not adding them to this route which is just weird. I guess it’s the console players causing them to be cautious? I’d love the extension to London Bridge, this should be some sort of priority.
Even then them being cautious isn’t really a good excuse. There’s 375 diversion services, so why not swap them out for the 700? I’d take that in a heartbeat
Yup, quite a few diversion services, cut them out and replace them with what should be there. It's 100% 8th gen console memory limits.
As LocoBilly noted above, the timetable with a full Thameslink set added to Southern and Gatwick Express does not even tax my pc. It makes the route a lot of fun to run, since there are so many services, you are hard pressed to get from London to Brighton without experiencing yellows somewhere along the route.
Exactly, I cannot understand the strange logic of DTG in bringing a great new train to the game in the 700, then just limit it to one route. Are they being lazy?
I’d put it as far to say they’re scared. Scared to try new things with tsw. Just try it, if it doesn’t work then fine, but they should at least push the boat out a bit
Push aside the technical reasons given & I think it’s just being held back for financial reasons. The 700/1 would fit right into one of their loco packs & with a BML layer it would fly off the shelves. If you’re DTG you’d be thinking why do it for free. In fact come to think of it, Matt’s teased about a ‘desirable’ train coming.
So, you forgot the BR Class 33 limited to WSR DB BR204 limited to MSB Heck, the BR Class 142 Pacer has destination blind sets for TVL, but is locked to the Blackpool route only for whatever reason. This DTG logic is nothing new.
TVL is old and doesn’t work the same way as the more modern routes, JT couldn’t get the 142 to layer unless DTG make changes to TVL. It was nice of JT to do as much as they did with it though in regard to WCL, PIS & announcements for other routes.
It's not "locked" to it. You can use it in free roam or scenarios on other routes. You can also use my timetable to use it on TVL if you are on PC. To make the 142 work on TVL DTG would need to make an entire new timetable, which is a fair ammount of work.
Well, I mean no timetables. I dropped £12 on the DB BR204 yesterday, only to find I'll be lucky to get an hour of timetable services on MSB and nothing more. Last time I buy a loco DLC. It's no surprise that DTG has such weird logic with the Class 700/0 on BML.
Considering that pc players can dl a full timetable that includes the 700 services for free, where is the incentive for DTG to add it. No one on pc would buy it, unless it includes the other upgrades we want like ToD4 and rush hour traffic.
Then you've got players who would complain layers are gone. I think the last thing dtg want to do is to remove layers completely and having multiple timetables would likely cause headaches.
It’s also time the BML 377 finally got put on ecw. The sounds of the old 377 are the only reason I don’t own ecw yet
I mean, there really isn’t anything different besides the sounds and physics. And I’m not sure why DTG didn’t just update the ECW 377 instead of making a new version
Given the way DTG have built the rest of TSW, I doubt it’s far from something simple. Shame really as ECW has always been a well received route. There’s a lot of requests for remasters, but I think ECW has to be up there with one that would get a lot of benefit from one.
If I'm being honest I don't really notice the difference. The Class 66 has had a new version for each route, so another 377 version wouldn't be off the table.
I think the BML could do with remastering With three expansions From the East Croydon end to London Blackfriars at least we see the river Thames At the southeast side of Victoria Victoria to Orpington that way we have more services to play with add the class 700/1 and class 700 Make a class 707 for southeast Add the class 710/2 as AI And special services like a rail tour Add GSMR to all BML Trains Gatwick could do with upgraded as just had a new entrance Also at the Brighton end add the east coast way to the BML could have Victoria to London Bridge service driver that service
