Exactly mate. US freight on TSW actually is a disaster. If I remember back in 2021/ 2022 we got 3 impressive US freight routes in less than a year. But since then nothing. It's frustrating.
As a Gen 8 console player I think DTG should drop it. ECML does not run smoothly at all nor does SEHS. If routes are gonna continue to behave like this on gen 8 the I do think its time to say bye bye.
Comparing sales figures in the first few years is pointless, the new gen consoles have had serious stock shortages due to the pandemic, a problem the old gen didn't have, as from day one the shelves were full. Gen 8 users will have to look forward, now they are saying that if DTG abandons them they won't buy anything from TSW anymore. In my opinion, it's blackmail because they are comfortable in that position and it's their way of putting pressure: "if it's not thanks to me, the company will go bankrupt!" Stop creating fear, what will really happen is that if DTG is brave and turns the page, most of these customers will buy a gen 9 console, because life is like that, renew or die. You can't pretend to stop evolution and hold a company and thousands of users hostage just because you decide that playing on 11 year old hardware is great.
I think this is a little over dramatic. I certainly do not feel like a hostage due to the existence of gen8 console support....but I do believe upgrading to a newer console benefits all parties. Being a PC player myself, we are quite accustomed to this song and dance when feeling the pinch to upgrade. Of course, this is entirely down to the individual knowing when it makes sense for them, I doubt this one single game will be a deciding factor
Easy… two scenarios: If “detuning” the game releases and DLCs so they remain playable for old generation consoles isn’t much of an issue and the older hardware isn’t holding back the possibilities for newer and more powerful platforms, they should keep supporting it because that ultimately guarantees more customers and more revenue (which in turn benefits all players). If the older hardware is beginning to limit the overall scope/ambitions of TSW game releases and DLCs and/or making the new content playable on the old consoles is taking away too much development time, it may be time to start considering dropping the older platforms. This also applies if the newer TSW content is too demanding for the old hardware (= performance issues / “unplayable”) even with significant time spent on optimization for old gen consoles.
Yes, I usually get 50-60fps. Although there are a couple of places that experience lower dips like Dartford & the yard on approach to Doncaster. But overall a much better experience, when I made the switch I was shocked at how much better the game looked and ran
Drop PS4 and you will lose a very large part of your customer base. I only have a PS4 because I got it at a huge discount. I'm not going to pay £450 just to play a couple more new routes. I wouldn't use a PS5 for anything else and I suspect a lot of older rail fans are the same.
But final figures show if ps5 continue to sell at the same rate they will overtake ps4 way before the 10 year stage making them way more popular
I love this take. I'm holding thousands of users hostage because I don't want a PS5. I'd apologise but I just don't care.
Sooner or later they have to get rid of that little 8GB RAM LOVE. Better sooner than later and I will celebrate this moment very much
I'm indifferent to the Gen8 situation overall, but I will say that should be the point that they do a TSW5. Personally, I still think we should be on TSW2 and the moving on from Gen8 should be where TSW3 becomes a thing. What I'd like to actually see on the console side is some general stability improvements on PS5. The game feels extremely choppy in comparison to PC/XSX, and I feel that the minimal difference between the PS5/XSX specs isn't the cause of it. It needs a full on optimisation pass. If the PS5 version ran smoother, I'd drop the PC version in a heartbeat as I generally prefer the console gaming experience.
What gen 8 users have to understand is that they would not lose TSW overnight. The last TSW version they bought will continue to work as well as all the DLC they bought for it. It is only future versions of TSW that would not work with their platform.
Sales numbers of the different consoles are irrelevant; the only numbers that matter are the number of people on each system buying TSW content. As long as gen 8 supports TSW development for gen 8, it will stay. This is exactly what they do. Last I heard, there are seven different builds--Xbox and PS gen 8 + gen 9 = 4, then Steam, Epic, and presumably MS Store. Given that, I'd bet DTG themselves would be fine with trimming the gen 8 work, but gen 8 usage needs to drop to the point where it's viable first. Rather than try to convince DTG to drop two still-lucrative platforms, which isn't going to happen, those advocates would be better off taking up a collection to help people buy newer consoles or PCs.
So basically, if you are playing TSW on a £2000 gaming PC, the only benefit is that the graphical bugs look prettier.
As I have said elsewhere, we are at the same stage with last gen now as we were with 7th gen consoles in 2017. What came out in 2017? The original TSW. TSW4 being on last gen is like if OG TSW was on Xbox 360 and PS3 or if GTA IV was on PS2. You can keep going back and it stays the same.
So far in this discussion, no-one who wants DTG to abandon gen8 consoles has stated clearly what benefits he or she thinks will accrue to TSW if they do. Will one of those people tell me specifically how the game will be better for gen9 and PC?
Well, taking the fact, that I started back then with a Sinclair ZX81 (3,25 MHz, 1 kB RAM on-board, 32kByte RAM memory expansion), well now I'm on a PC with 3.700 MHz, 16 GB RAM, and this is five years later again completely out of date, well, computer technology is still evolving...So, not sure about the specifications of an 8th Gen console vs. a 9th Gen...at some point in time a newer console will be an improvement. Even though, with a 50/50 diversion right now, I guess it wouldn't really make sense economically for DTG to drop 8th Gen.
I am not sure how much the Gen 8 is holding back anything else. It is not like TSW runs amazing on Gen 9 and PC as is so that there is room to grow. It is already a taxing game even on newer hardware so if they dropped Gen 8 I don't know if that would change much.
The argument is that Gen 8 would be holding back Gen 9, since the game has to run on Gen 8. IE that the graphics are dumbed down on Gen 9 or the timetables are weaker because they don't want to hurt Gen 8 performance. But I don't know if I agree with that side. They already have reduced timetables on Gen 8 so what would Gen 9 gain? Eventually Gen 8 will have to go because there is only so much tech from over a decade ago and do but I don't know if I'd blame those consoles for current issues.
Occasional stutters on PS5, not so much ECML but for sure SEHS in spots. The odd thing with TSW (on all platforms) is that even when it is running pretty high FPS, close to 60, it gets momentary drops every couple minutes where for like a second it drops to 20. Those momentary stutters make it feel less smooth than it actually is.
A big thing that changed starting with the 8th gen is both the consoles went to x86 processors instead of their old proprietary stuff (like that weird Motorola that was in the PS3). Now the consoles have a more PC like architecture that carries from each generation. So a PS5 is not fundamentally different from a PS4, it is just more powerful.
This point has clearly been picked up on the other pages as not the answer. the time it takes to do things like the separation of the timetables purely for the purposes of Gen 8 is however a point on time/resources and thus a hold up/drag as I’ve said in the other pages (not my only point) It’s a 3 page thread now if I answer this kinda point I’ll be doing it for the 3rd or 4th time, I can only say the same thing so i won’t. if you’re looking for specifics no one can tell you what DTG has planned, and like myself I and others can’t lead the game in a direction for certain features.
I finally bumped to gen 9 wanted to sooner but due to the supply issues and scalpers was hard to get one or cause of scalpers they had to sell bundles for higher prices ..but lately stock of both x b series x ps5 been good the day i got my series xwas a good stock of both system s on the shelves and been in other stores and cases fairly full so if you want a gen 9 shouldnt have a prob finding one
Im glad i made the bump to gen 9 there IS a difference in quality between gen 8 and 9 so anyone who is sitting on the fence as far as quality is concerned go for it...also mean gen 9 x box series x or ps 5 the 499.00 ones US..I watched comparison videos on yt tsw on x vs ps5 its close ..I went with the x since all my TSW content on x box so can just re download it to my x ps5 i would have had to start all over ..so im not recomending 1 over the other ive seen others that have bumped to gen 9 from 8 for TSW on either system and said what a difference that also helped me make my decision to upgrade
I have a PS5 and when I play TSW2 I play the PS4 version, not the PS5 version. Why? Because it runs at 60fps with few if any stutters. I tried the PS5 version which looked much better, but it played at 30fps and maybe less, and I'm in the camp of '30fps is unplayable'. I will always take a graphics downgrade to get up to 60fps, and I'm not bothered about less services on the PS4 version because I just don't play Service Mode. As for performance, I have only seen people talk about timetables and things related to the trains themselves. But in truth, when it comes to performance trains really aren't the only source of issues. In TS, framerates will be consistently lower in cities or areas with lots of foliage, especially 3D foliage. Unreal can make beautiful dense foliage but too much of it and the older consoles will still have performance issues. There are plenty of TS routes including my own that have better scenery than many TSW routes because we don't need to worry about system requirements, because PCs are highly adaptable - but to avoid getting into a PC Master Race debate, I'd like to point out that both the PS5 and Xbox Series X are perfectly capable of running TSW with the current level of graphics at a much higher framerate than what is currently achieved with some optimisation work, but if you want better looking routes (which TSW really needs because as a hardcore TS player there's not much else convincing me to jump other fully) you have to think about what can (and can't) be done with the older versions of the game.
Erm, the X1X has 16gb of ram and not only is it gen8 but it's technically more powerful than a Series S. Also, when I visit our caravan I occasionally play TSW4 on X1X and the only obvious difference I've noticed between that console and my XSX is the loading times, so let's not get too hasty when judging gen8 consoles as a whole.
Yeah, it was a typo but I couldn't edit it due to some weird onscreen message warning me about spamming...!
But these arguments are false which is why I and a few others fail to understand the logic of dropping Gen 8 if it is still a reliable source of income. Gen 8 has nothing to do with the issues with the game on Gen 9 and pc. Passenger numbers for example are different on Gen 8 compared to Gen 9/PC. Gen9/PC gets more Passengers whilst gen 8 gets less. Gen 9/PC on freight routes get more wagons than in Gen8. Gen 9 has better frames and looks a bit better. Route length has nothing to do with Gen 8. DTG can make long routes if they wish but choose to make mostly short non linear routes. Not to mention they make routes for PC/GEN 9 but scale the game back to Gen 8 TSW will not automatically get better if GEN 8 was dropped. Many of the issues this game has are self inflicted by DTG. It isn't a hardware problem which is why I fail to understand why there are some here that think Gen 8 is holding the game fact when in reality, it is the upper management of DTG that holds this game back
The XBOX one console family run on 2013 architecture. The XBOX Series S/X family run on 2020 architecture. It"s not just about throwing more RAM at something to make it better, which is a shame as it would make life so much easier.
One S had 8GB total, of which 3GB was reserved for system usage and 5GB available for games One X had 12GB total, of which 3GB was reserved for system usage and 9GB available for games Series S has 10GB in total, 2GB of which is reserved for system usage and 8GB of which is available for games Series X has 16GB in total, 2.5GB of which is reserved for system usage and 13.5GB of which is available for games But crucially, the Series S uses the same 8-core Zen2 processor as the Series X. Whereas the One X is still stuck on that four core Durango processor architecture from 2012 running at 2.3GHz vs the 3.6GHz and 3.8GHz of the Series S and X respectively. Hence UE5 titles which utilise the newer features of the modern architecture not getting cross-platform releases, etc. Anyway, the point being that if DTG are still having trouble with stability issues on the Gen9 systems, dropping Gen8 isn't going to fix those. This is not a matter of anything "holding the game back", the game engine is not suddenly going to gain new abilities to make more efficient use of the newer hardware if the additional act of scaling it (increasingly poorly) to last gen is dropped.
The series S uses a AMd zen 2 running 8 cores a 3.6ghz. The series X uses a slightly stronger zen 2 with 8 cores a 3.8ghz so more powerful cpu.
I literally said that in my post that you quoted. They are the same Zen2 architecture with one running at 3.6 and the other at 3.8. Of course the real difference in performance between the Durango and Scarlett CPUs of the One X and Series S is way more than the 50% increase in clock speed, due to all the other factors.
But as I said, dropping Gen8 is not going to solve any of the problems with TSW. They're simply nothing to do with that. Therefore the only reason to drop Gen8 support would be if DTG released a wholly new sim using UE5 which relied on engine features which the last gen consoles do not support. As long as they do not do that, there's no rationale for dropping Gen8 support.
I do really wonder if the people calling for Gen 8 to be dropped, would still be calling for the same thing at this exact point of the most up-to-date console generation, if they didn't have said most up-to-date version of their chosen instrument to play it on....... ....... I bet a good chunk of people in that camp only want it dropped because they have next Gen hardware, nothing more, only that fact......
It’s the case that the last gen users don’t want to be locked out of new content and the new Gen users want their experience to be the best it can be. This is about personal thought on the subject so for last Gen users they don’t care what others get, and the new gen don’t need to think about what the others lose.
It's probably just more a lack of understanding of the underlying technology and the true reasons for the game's problems They don't get why it really is that TSW runs poorly on their fancy new system that runs other titles much more smoothly.
Or they see that for themselves DTG can invest time/resources into stuff for themselves rather than stuff what doesn’t affect them.
I started playing on the Xbox One in TSW 2020. Until TSW 2 came out it was fine, But now it's just getting too hard to run on last gen consoles, I upgraded to PC last year. Mostly for other games, but TSW is one I keep playing. and its so much better. There comes a point when DTG have to accept the last generation of consoles have been pushed to their limit, especially with the size of addons now. Blackpool was something like 7GB and I presume Salzburg-Rosenheim will be at least 6GB but realistically close to 10
Admittedly, despite being on Gen 8, I have started to realise TSW doesn't run on it as good as I thought, and have been thinking about upgrading for a few months now. Although at the moment, for me it isn't worth it as I touch TSW maybe once a week, if that. Plus it's the only game I have problems with at the moment.
At the end of the day, we're experiencing the opposite of what we'd get if last gen was "holding back" the current gen content. We'd see performance on current gen improving as the game's level of detail was being held back in order to ensure last gen parity. We're not seeing that, we're seeing the quality on last gen constantly degrading to keep pace with how the current gen version is wringing more out of it, and performance on current gen also facing issues as they add features not available on last gen.
As a last gen user it won't bother me in the slightest if DTG drop Gen 8. It will happen at some point but when they do I won't be running to Currys in a hurry to buy a PS5 is all.
of course your decision, guessing either you won’t be buying any more content when they do that unless you got a new gen console of course and/or are happy with what you have and not particularly wanting more, others will be similar and different.
not necessarily what we’re seeing is down to DTG decisions, that is still the overall ruler of what happens to TSW regardless of the drop or not. dropping 8th gen isn’t a miracle solution, it just open opportunities of which DTG would need to take themselves. we are of course looking at this from each perspective, from mine 8th Gen offers me nothing, on the other hand it’s demise offers opportunities. Easy to see why my view wouldn’t be focused on maintaining.
