Dissapointing Rolling Stock In New Routes

There has been a dissapointing amount of new stock in the upcoming routes. The salzburg route only coming with the 111 and nothing else new is ridiculous, No new Freight wagon, WIKO cab car, 4023 or even just a basic reskin for a pre-existing freight loco. The new semmeringbahn also only has one new coach with no other versions and a loco very similar to the 182. No new freight wagon on that? London overground also just has one new train and San Bernadino only has a refit of a pre-existing loco from the looks of it

Please try to add more stock to the routes. more similar to what RSN or BRO had, even just a new freight wagon reskin will help instead of doing gameplay packs for all reskins

 

The mp36 on san bernardino is really the only other locomotive that metrolink uses in modern day. Yes there's the f59ph but very few exist today and they barely run regular service so you wouldn't have a full experience.

The 710 is also really the main rolling stock for goblin line. Idk what else runs but that's really it.

 

It is surprisingly odd they went from many vehicles to just one or two vehicles per route. I hope that doesn't mean some development is taken into TSW5.

 

It's not odd, it's making DLC more profitable by cutting development costs but maintaining price. Simple economics. Myron222

 

It's been like that for a while. Usually 1 new, the rest recycled. Really depends on the route itself. Sometimes it really just has 1 or 2 main rolling stock. Like san bernardino line. Besides the f125, it's just the mp36 and the fleet is complete. Adding a f59ph in modern day would be pointless since I've heard very few exist and they don't do much. Making the f59ph as a main loco would require the route to be set in the past and you would lose the possibility of a busier timetable introduced recently which I'm hoping dtg will implement.

 

Yeah this is a personal preference i guess! If you build a smaller route with 2 locos or a longer route with 1 loco there are always complains... So you can not match everyone's expectations i guess....
Due to the fact that DTG have to earn money they will create a level what will bring quality but also a good amount of income....

 

Doesn’t one of the two new German/Austrian routes not even include a 1st class passenger car, let alone any form of restaurant vehicle? They really need to get the 3D modelling side of things into a higher gear, for £30 should be a treasure trove of new stock for each route DLC.

 

They dont seem to do that anymore tho, maintalbahn was short but had just one new loco and nothing else for a cheaper price

 

Thats what they have told fairly that this route is a small extra route. Nothing to hide or to be unfair

 

I miss when routes would come with more than one new train, remember Northern Transpennine? The 47, 45 & 101 came with that route.

 

For some routes, it makes sense, such as the Goblin line.

Main line routes, however, are different.

 

I think back to the early routes. GWE, NTP, RSN etc. We got a selection of locomotives and stock and then also some quality locomotive dlc later on.

Obviously I don't expect that every time but even a few different liveries for the locomotive/unit included would give it some variety.

 

Just lately I've really taken notice of a pattern with TSW releases, only featuring a single new unit. On top of that the graphics they use in the reveal teasers almost seem specifically oriented towards single trains, as though that's literally the business model going forward. It's worrying, to say the least.

Allow me to demonstrate the pattern. Below I'm going to type out every UK TSW release and all of the locomotives and coaches they featured. I'll label them as 1st or 3rd party, and whether each piece of rolling stock was a new thing, a remodel, a retexture or a cut and paste re-release.

It shows a worrying trend I think. Back in the day every release was loaded with new or remodelled stuff. More recently however, particularly since the release of TSW3, more and more routes have been releasing with only a single new locomotive either accompanied by re-releases or even completely on its own.

TSW2020
Great Western Express - 1st Party
Class 43 HST - New
MK3 coach set - New
BR Class 166 - New
BR Class 66 DB - New
BR Class 66 EWS - New
FKA Container Flat - New
HKA Aggregate hopper - New

West Somerset Railway - 1st Party
BR Class 47 - New
BR Class 09 - New
BR MK1 TSO - New
BR MK1 BSO - New

BR Class 33 - 1st Party
BR Class 33 - New

Northern Trans-Pennine - 1st Party
BR Class 47/4 - Remodel
BR Class 45 - New
BR Class 101 - New
BR MK2 FK - New
BR MK2 TSO - New
BR MK1 BG (dual brake) - New

BR Class 52 - 1st Party
BR Class 52 - New

Tees Valley Line - 1st Party
BR Class 37/5 - New
BR Class 08 - New
BR Class 101 - New (middle coach)/Re-release
BBA Steel Flat - New
HEA Hopper - New
Asides from middle coach, Class 101's only other change was a new depot badge.

BR Heavy Freight Pack - 1st Party
BR Class 40 Disc & Domino - New
BR Class 08 - Retexture
BR VAN wagon - New
BR TEA tanker - New

BR Class 31 - 1st Party
BR Class 31 - New
BR PCA-V cement tanker - New

East Coastway - 1st Party
BR Class 377/4 - New
BR Class 66 EWS - Re-release
BR JNA Aggregate wagon - New

BR Class 20 - 1st Party
BR Class 20 - New
BR PGA Limestone hopper - New

TSW2
Bakerloo Line - 1st Party
1972 Stock - New

Isle Of Wight - 3rd Party (Rivet)
BR Class 483 - New

Southeastern High Speed - 1st Party
BR Class 395 - New
BR Class 375/9 - Remodel (Drew from ECW 377)

BR Class 465/9 - 1st Party
BR Class 465/9 - New

Diesel Legends of the Great Western - 1st Party
BR Class 52 - Retexture
BR Class 08 - Re-release
BR Class 101 - Re-release
BR MK2 FK - Re-release
BR MK2 TSO - Re-release
BR MK1 BG (dual brake) - Re-release
Class 101 had new depot badge and unit numbers, MK2 coaches were ammended to western region codes instead of midland region

Cathcart Circle Line - 1st Party
BR Class 314 - New

London Commuter - 1st Party
BR Class 387/2 - New
BR Class 377/4 - Re-release (new sounds)

London Underground 1938 Tube Stock - 3rd Party (Rivet)
1938 Stock - Remodel/New

BR Class 313 - 1st Party
BR Class 313/2 - New

West Cornwall Local - 3rd Party (Rivet)
BR Class 150/2 - New
BR Class 37/5 - Remodel
BR Seacow Hopper - New
BR Turbot Wagon - New

Spirit Of Steam - 1st Party
LMS Stanier Jubilee - New
LMS Stanier 8f - New
BR MK1 FK - Remodel
BR MK1 TSO - Remodel
BR MK1 BSO - Remodel
BR MK1 BG (vac brake) - Remodel
LMS 5 Plank - New
BR Standard Van - Retexture
BR Conflat wagon - New
BR 16t mineral wagon - New
BR 20t brake van - New

Isle Of Wight 2022 - 3rd Party (Rivet)
BR Class 484 - New

TSW3
Southeastern High Speed Extended - 1st Party (Fully replaces old SEHS)
BR Class 395 - Re-release
BR Class 375/9 - Re-release (new sounds)
BR Class 66 EWS - Re-release (new sounds)
BR Class 465/9 - Re-release
BR JNA Aggregate wagon - Re-release (new sounds)
BR MFA Ballast wagon - New

Rail Head Treatment Train - 1st Party
BR Class 66 EWS - Retexture
RHTT wagons - New

Birmingham Cross-City Line - 1st Party
BR Class 323 - New

Scotrail Express - 3rd Party (Rivet)
BR Class 385 - New

West Cornwall Steam Railtour - 3rd Party (Rivet)
LMS Stanier Jubilee - Retexture
BR MK1 FK - Re-release
BR MK1 TSO - Re-release
BR MK1 BSO - Re-release
BR MK1 BG (vac brake) - Re-release

Rail Operations Group BR Class 37/7 - 1st Party
BR Class 37/7 - Remodel
BR Class 375/9 - Retexture

Midland Mainline - 3rd Party (Skyhook)
BR Class 158 - New
BR Class 43 HST - Remodel
BR MK3 Coach Set - Retexture

Peak Forest Railway - 1st Party
LMS Fowler 4f - New
LMS Stanier Jubilee - Re-release
LMS Stanier 8f - Re-release
21t Limestone hopper - New
BR MK1 FK - Re-release
BR MK1 TSO - Re-release
BR MK1 BSO - Re-release
BR MK1 BG (vac brake) - Re-release
LMS 5 Plank - Re-release
BR Standard Van - Re-release
BR Conflat wagon - Re-release
BR 16t mineral wagon - Re-release
BR 20t brake van - Re-release

Glossop Line - 1st Party
BR Class 323 - Retexture

Thameslink Class 700/0 - 1st Party
BR Class 700/0 - New

TSW4
East Coast Main Line - 1st Party
BR Class 801 - New
BR Class 66 EWS - Re-release
BR FKA Container Flat - Re-release

Flying Scotsman - 1st Party
Gresley A3 'Flying Scotsman' - New
BR MK2 FK - Retexture
BR MK2 TSO - Retexture
BR MK1 BG (dual brake) - Retexture

Blackpool Branches - 3rd Party (Just Trains)
BR Class 142 - New
BR Class 47/4 - Remodel (new headlight + new smoke)
BR Class 08 - Retexture (new smoke)
BR MK2 FK - Retexture (new sounds)
BR MK2 TSO - Retexture (new sounds)
BR MK1 BG (dual brake) - Retexture (new sounds)
BR TEA Tanker - Retexture
Best retextures there has ever been, with multiple variants of several

Cargo Line: Petroleum - 3rd Party (Skyhook)
BR Class 66 EWS - Retexture (new lights)
BR TEA tanker - New (modern variants)

Centro Regional Railways Class 323 - 3rd Party (SimTrack)
BR Class 323 - Retexture

Engineering Express - 3rd Party (Rivet)
BR Class 66 DRS - Retexture
BR Class 66 ONE - Retexture
BR Seacow wagon blue - Retexture
BR Seacow wagon rusty - Retexture

London Overground: Gospel Oak - Barking Riverside - 1st Party
BR Class 710 - New

Cargo Line: Aggregates - 3rd Party (Skyhook)
BR Class 66 EWS - Re-release (presumably)
BR HOA Aggregate hopper - New

Fife Circle Line - 3rd Party (Rivet)
BR Class 170 - New

BR Class 380 - 1st Party
BR Class 380 - New

Scotrail Class 158 - 3rd Party (Skyhook)
BR Class 158 - Remodel

 

Lower Quantity, Higher price. Seems about right.

 

Over the years they have got lazier and lazier. I remember being a little boy watching Moleman978 on TSW2020 GWE in awe as to how a game could look sound and act so good. Now we sit with TSW4 I load the game look at my routes and come off because nothing is interesting. All A-B 1 train routes. DTG just leave us in the dark and then release content and then we go back to radio silence. Goblin, no matter how good the route is and the 710 is it will be a let down for me. They could have done so much bigger and better with the TFL license but instead chose the shortest A-B route possible JUST so they can say "yeah we have the London Overground in our sim." If we continue to buy this bs they put out they will continue to put them out. They only care about money not their community. WE pay THEM not the other way around.

 

I don't think they are lazy and frankly think it is wrong to label them so, I am sure a lot more effort goes into building routes and trains to just dismiss them in such a disingenuous way.

I would like to see more trains per route where applicable however with layering it means routes are getting more variety. I am watching the stream of the new German route and it will have plenty of variety assuming you have the layers and if you purchase it and don't have any of the layers it still features two loco's and a EMU.

Everything will be costed, that is how the vast majority of businesses work.

 

Wouldn't call them lazy. That means their efforts mean nothing. A short route or a long route or any length route still require a lot of dev time and resources. If you think it's that easy, you can do it yourself

 

It is laziness. They do the bare minimum. That is laziness in my book.

 

Calling them lazy is just insulting.

If they were really lazy, then all routes would have the literal bare minimum of track laid for the trains to run on, timetables would be hare, and loco add ons wouldn't be a thing.

A lot of their DLC are actually of a good enough quality for them to not be lazy.

 

I guess we must be playing different games then. The timetables often are quite bare, the routes are often very short (more often than not partly or significantly shorter than the TS version of the route, especially in the case of the Goblin which in TS has that in addition to the West London Line and North London Line to Richmond), they don't do as many loco packs as they used to, and the DLC that they do release are almost universally not good enough.

 

I wouldn't own a product or certainly buy any DLC for a product if I thought the producers were lazy!

I have no idea how much goes into making routes and especially trains with all the functions and systems, plus making a timetable, but it is clear it isn't done in a week and is probably hundreds of hours of time and effort.

I suggest that someone calling them lazy hasn't actually thought about what they are saying, or is just trying to be deliberately insulting. It isn't a very classy way to behave that is for certain.

 

I truly can't wait for your home made loco DLC my dude, that what I would only imagine would be a cardboard box with cut outs for the windows, sitting on casters, won't be at all lazy, just the most exquisite cardboard box on casters ever developed for any game in human history.......

 

Get off it. It is laziness. They give us 1 train per route sometimes thay train is simply reskinned. Example Glossop line. Not only was it really short, the train on it was recycled too! Only differences being what colour the seats and exterior was. That is laziness. 700/0 but no 700/1? 465/9 but no 466? Of course the average TSW user isnt gonna know what goes into making a route for TSW, so? Does that mean we cant critique? Does that mean we cant have expectations? Does that mean we should just accept anything? No. And I personally will never accept a bare minimum lack luster route / train from DTG or any 3rd party. Whether the whole community agrees with me or not.

 

People can of course have whatever view they want and no one has ever stated that "someone" cannot comment or critique, not that I have seen.

But if all you can do is resort to petty insults and belittling peoples work then I am afraid that says more about you. DTG staff have said before that they find the word lazy when used against them to be insulting. It isn't some kind of brave act using it, it isn't impressive.

As I have said many times, if I thought DTG/TSW was that awful I wouldn't waste my time and energy hanging around their forums.

 

Either way, calling them lazy, when that is clearly not the case, is insulting.

They do more than they're given credit for.

 

Then why don't you try creating a 50 mile long route with several stations, 3 different brand new locos? Oh, and there has to be zero bugs.

You'll find that it takes a lot of work for less than half that to happen.

 

Using your own logic then my friend I have the laziest job in the world, because once I've been to a pub and delivered their beer, I never deliver any different beer to them, so the over 1000 tons of beer I chucked down their cellar in 20 years, which is bloody hard physical work and effort, was lazy because it's nothing new or different......

 

DTG just squiz every penny from each keyboard tap. Mediocrity of their current products is being covered and blurred by fake marketing hype.

 

I can top that.

I spend a lot of time at work sitting down doing nothing

 

I am unemployed and stay at home doing nothing productive lol. I could do a million different things but I choose not to

 

If DTG would at least overhaul older content when bringing it up again. JT has done a great job with fixing bugs and refreshing older locos. With the new german route we will have a comeback of the Dostos. Would have been a perfect opportunity to bring in some better sounds and make improvements to them.

 

Dont care if you work in a pub, dont care if you are unemployed and dont care if you sit down all day at work. Your comparisons make no sense.

You cant compare working at a pub to software or game design. Laziness in a pub and laziness in game design are completely different things.

Unemployed by CHOICE is laziness.

 

I think it is important to distinguish between laziness from the developers and restrictions put in place by management as to what can be achieved. I would not even accuse any dev of being lazy for one minute, however they are following restrictions placed on them by the management.

This however does not mean that DTG as a company should be excused of their more lacking approach to the variety of rolling stock with new releases in more recent times.

 

So trying to make a living is insulting. Yeah, that makes literally no sense.

They're not the only ones charging too high prices, it happens everywhere.

 

By ripping people of? Yeah, it is.

This statement is so problematic on so many levels that I'm not even gonna go there.

 

How are they ripping you off?

I actually think they charge decent enough prices for what we get. Its not like they force me to buy their stuff.

 

Oh they dont, I have enough self control and self-respect for that matter, not to buy anything,but everything isn't about me...

Of course you do... 1 dollar is too much since the content is broken and will never get fixed. It IS objectively bad value though. Half a triple A game for a train, no...
But then again, all new content is locked behind the scam that is TSW"4" so I'm forced to buy that if I want to buy this spectacular DLC, so...

 

The comparison makes perfect sense, even if they used the same traction and coaches in every route they dev'd they would have spent hours making scenery, laying tracks, scenarios and building the timetable. Just like me delivering the same beer to the same pub every week for 20 years, the principle is exactly the same, that beer doesn't get itself off the lorry, it takes hard work from me to do it, same with the devs with what is in your view lazy selection of trains and stock, it doesn't magically put itself in whatever route is being developed, you just refuse to see past your self imposed blinkers......

 

It's not laziness, it's called "Minimum viable product".
The management figured out new DLCs are going to sell even with less content, so why should they add extra and lower their profit margins? Think of the poor managers and shareholders! /sarcasm off

 

If the real line have the same trains that they reuse in the game, for me it's Ok but, when they choose a line with 2, 3 or more new trains, I'm expecting they bring this new entry to game; maybe the first two with the line and the next one as DLC.

Hope they read this discussion and take note about our opinion and discuss it in the next meeting, maybe to develop well the new trains where it needed (the coach in the Semmeringbhann it the first case where do this IMO).

And about the timing to develop, after approaching the editor, I can say it very difficult building something speedy but this is only for me and I'm new to this world!

 

Lazy is not a word I would choose to use, but lacking in imagination or determination does seem to be the driving force. What’s the minimum we can get away with as opposed to, we had better put together a few more Mark One vehicles when doing SOS and PFR for more authentic formations (plug my buffet car request again, there). And why not a set of reskinned blue/grey Mark Ones while we’re at it. NTP could use those along with BPO and any other 1970’s/early 80’s routes that might be in the pipeline.

As mentioned elsewhere, I just bought Zusi 3 and while the modelling is much simpler it is packed with just about every DB locomotive, coach and multiple unit you could wish for.

Time for more “can do” at DTG rather than “no plans”.

 

Like everything in life then. Take a simple bar of chocolate. Compare it to the size years ago. The chocolates got smaller the price has gone up. It’s called inflation.

 

So in your job I bet you have gladly taking a pay rise in the last few years. Which means whatever it is you do for a job involves the cost to be increased for services provided. Your employers customers has to foot that bill to cover assets including that pay rise you gladly took. So is your employer ripping people off then as well.

 

I can believe that the amount of time you spend on here :p

I thought you would have been busy cleaning trains giving the mess passengers leave them in with free newspapers everywhere coffee cups etc

 

So they do the bare minimum yet you quite happily buy the routes and spend most of your day in here. Yeah that makes perfect logical sense to me.

 

I'm amazed at some of the people on here who never have a positive thing to say about DTG. I understand the want for products without bugs etc (as I do), but some seem to just have all out hatred for anything produced, and at any opportunity want to put the boot in.
My question.....why do you continue to torment yourself?
If its that bad, then why stay with it?

I knew a guy that had nothing positive to say about Shakespear County Raceway. Stands were LOVE, staff were rude, it's dilapidated and the owner is just taking the money and not investing. The events are poorly run, its too expensive etc. It eventually closed in 2017 due to land procurement for houses.
Saw him at another event at Santa Pod a few years ago and SCR got mentioned. He moaned for about 30 mins that it had closed and how its hurt the sport and an absolute travesty. I had to smile.

Nobody makes you go, nobody makes you spend your money and it's the same with TSW.
Can it be better, absolutely.
Can we have more DLC with more locos and rolling stock, sure.
The big thing for me, after returning to sims last year after nearly two decades. Is you CAN see the progression between the early products, TSW2, and the latter, TSW4. As above its not perfect, but I can see what they are trying to do and it takes time and money for what is a niche market.
Honestly, I would change the current strategy and produce more rolling stock and less routes, but I don't run DTG or have any part in it.

People moan that they don't engage on here enough. If you read through some of the threads, I'm not surprised. It's an impossible situation with no upside for them to do so.

Nothing against constructive criticism, but some are just out and out rants which lead me back to the two questions above!

 

If is laughable really they all constantly moan and it’s the same names time and time again and they just seem to be so fascinated they are here every day waisting time that they clearly have so much off to come and tell us how much they hate the sin and DTG and it’s developers. Yet every time a new release is out they go running buying it just so they can then complain. Clearly got so much free time in there hands. It is actually long overdue that the admin should just straight forward ban these people. Surely if they are banned they wouldn’t care after all why would they if they hate the sim and its developers that much they won’t even care if they get banned.

 

Definitely not laziness, I am at times awestruck by the quality of some of the asset modelling, although it's not always consistent. Over the length of a route that is a massive amount of work, even if some are reused. I would say there is a lack of vision more than anything else. People want more variety and layering, yet where are the rolling stock DLC packs? Instead of route after route, let us have more locos, coaches, and wagons to help make our virtual rail dreams blossom, and layer (and/or substitute) them onto the routes we have collected. People will for sure go back and play older routes if there is a bunch of new stock to use on them.

 

This is why I never pay full price for a route anymore. I'll pay the equivalent to what effort as been put in

 

Exactly this.

I personally would like to see more variety of stock. I completely agree about the lack of variety of British rail period coaches not just the mark 1 buffet car.

However I can only comment on my own experience but I get immense enjoyment out of TSW on the whole, with times of frustration, I certainly don't feel ripped off. If I feel a product doesn't offer enough value for money or has too many issues I don't purchase it or wait for a sale.

I do feel sometimes DTGs releases are let down a little by shoddiness and i vehemently disagree with some of their decisions, not releasing TSW2 fixes and the apparent abandonment of steam are two examples.

However I'm certain some on here do just come on to rant and when you see words like lazy and rip off used then really it negates their argument for me as they are just emotive terms. When you watch a stream you can see the enthusiasm for the product by DTG staff.

Any shortcomings I am sure are directly or indirectly due to the management and finance department, it is unfair to castigate those who are producing and rolling out the product.