Dissapointing Rolling Stock In New Routes

Right from the start of TSW, for cabs you can sit in and drive there has only really been one new train, as in multiple unit or locomotive, in each route, except in circumstances when the route has been the very first route in the game or the first of a different era or genre. That is to say unless a route has been the first BR Blue route or the first steam route or the like then one new drivable train has always been the norm. That isn’t anything new or an indication of a change.

 

Well there is always class 378, but it would only show at Gospel Oak (it could be layered on BML as well but DTG would never do that) from what I know. However, there are quite a lot freight runs but considering DTG it will be return of 66, well those runs are gbrf and freightliner so i can't expect those really.

 

I am, but quite often I'm waiting a couple of hours for one to come. Even then, half the time I can't get on it before it goes to be fuelled.

 

It’s funny reading all the comments from the same people. Who hate on the game, on a daily basis. The types of people who haven’t said one positive thing since day one. I don’t know what to tell you, maybe this game isn’t for you.
I used to love FIFA, but haven’t bought a main entry since 2018, since it’s a pay-to-win, micro transactions fuelled game now. You’ll never see me on the EA forums bashing the franchise even though I’m passionate about football.
The same could be said for train enthusiasts on here. There are plenty of other train sims out there if this one isn’t meeting your expectation's. Just because you love trains, don’t feel the need to keep playing a game you’re not enjoying.

 

I wish I were as brutal as you mate. I have said this every year since FIFA 15 but I always end up cracking! I do only do the career mode these days though!

Sorry, slightly off topic I know, but I feel you deserved to be recognised for going FIFAless for 5 years!

 

Sure, why complain about something? Why give feedback to something? Why should anyone wish to life in a better world (get a better train sim in that case)?

From that POV we would still life in caves.

 

It’s not easy being a footie fan lol, but I have to be honest I’m not a huge sports guy when it comes to gaming. I think the lack of FIFA in my life has contributed to that.
Love my FPS’s, Single player story driving games though. Oh and not forgetting TSW of course.

 

There's complaining and giving feedback, and there's calling them lazy.

 

No, it isn't "laziness," it's business reality. Everything that goes into a release takes developer time, which costs money. DTG is not a charity; they don't exist to spend more money on a release than it will realize in sales.

 

I too think it's not laziness, but a business decision. It's called shrinkflation.

If the route is too expensive for the content it offers, don't buy it. Or wait for a price drop to a point where you can say it's a fair price for what you get.

 

No one has said don't complain so to try and suggest otherwise is completely ignoring the point. There is constructive criticism and then some of same rant fuel and sometimes insulting posts we often get on these forums.

 

Did you ever create a loco in TSW? No? Don't say such things if you have no clue how much time it cost..... Please be respectful and without DTG this game never exists... I can only say not everythings is 100% okay but gamestudios like Rockstar are also far from perfect but that's not a point to insult a complete studio

 

Just 710 and freight locos on the Goblin, it’s only 13 miles long. Class 378’s at the Gospel Oak end junction.

 

Actually I haven't, so your baseless assumption did not work. Your comparison is flawed anyway. As a longtime employee, you usually get a bonus. I did not get a bonus for buying TSW2020, 2, 3 and countless of DLCs on multiple platforms, spending thousands of hours on the gale, uploading hundreds of screenshots and talking about the game in group chats, acting as promotion for the game, the opposite happened.

However, raised ticket prices paired with significantly worse services provided is a problem here as well, and the consequences of that is people not taking the train but their car instead. The car is a bit more expensive, but it's astronomically better in every way, just like a AAA game would be, compared to a TSW DLC.

 

This is what we need here! Someone with the necessary insight to be able to comment and debunk the negativity of some posters who have the cheek to accuse DTG of producing anything less that the absolute software perfection that we all know Train Sim World to be.

Thank whatever deity you follow that we have a commentator who both understands and has inside knowledge of the processes involved in making this incomparably superb railway sim and who can speak out in steadfast defence against all the vile detractors who say nasty things about it.

Remember folks, "Knowledge is Power"

Q.E.D.

 

The usual reason for sarcasm failure is the employment of a weak straw man.

 

It is funny how many people always slate dovetail as I have in the past but continue buying the products.

If you look at it one way they have been releasing content for 10 years and the base DLC has only gone up £5 so to some extent it is not to bad, but if you think it could be way more expensive if they put it up every year like most companies do.

One thing I never get is the sales they lower prices some 20-30% in sales after a couple of months so they must be working on quite some margin to do that so quick.

 

Make sure you put your money down early to pre-order TSW5 and 6 like I am trying to.

DTG just loves people like us!

 

Technically, this is an EA forum, as most of the DTG staff worked there.

Please look forward to TSW'24 aka TSW5

 

Again a bit OT, but I just saw my annual premium with Bank Of Scotland jump from £211 last year to £599!
Went on GoCompare and managed to find an alternative but still over £400.
This for a small Toyota Yaris, no change in circumstances just a year older.
Daylight robbery!

 

DTG is not focused on quality, that is something that I think we can all agree. It has a ¨quick delivery¨ business model.

Generations change and so does business models since they are built by people and their demand. Nowadays people rarely have patience and want things to be delivered instantly if possible.

When people go out to protest against governments they use all sorts of sayings and messages. Some are hilarious word games, others are more insulting. There is always a minority that participates in this kind of actions and it is no different on this forum.

In the end, if these protests are consistent and people genuinely complain about valid points the state will have to make some adjustments. Then everybody benefits from these, meaning the ones that did not participate too.
Protests have always been and with the way the world goes, will be a strong mean to gain back some respect.

People keep buying. This game is an emotional hobby and the developers know it.
Some are angry cause maybe they wanted the new release to be a day one purchase but it turned out to be disappointing. Then they make their voice known here, some of them hoping for a patch or two with improvements. They don´t come so the players decide to wait for considerable discounts and add those routes to their collection at a price that they consider more suitable for the amount of content included.
We need to be more in the shoes of the others and understand everyone´s point. DTG included.

 

I’d happily put my money down on TSW5, though I’d prefer it if they extended TSW4 for at least another year. Unless they plan on adding some fancy new features, then TSW5 isn’t needed. New features are one of the main selling points for a new TSW game after all.

 

I think personally for me I get frustrated at DTG because they could do so much more than they do. JT and TSG have shown us whats actually possible for TSW.

I want TSW to be amazing, I love having it on console especially. It just doesn't feel like DTG want TSW to be the best it can be sometimes. I and I'm sure many others find the corner cutting, missing stock etc just frustrating. Because JT did a bang up job with the offerings for BPO with the reusing of stock, new liveries and all of that. Dtg could do that. But they don't ever seem too. It does seem a little bare minimum sometimes. Especially for recent releases.

Which is a shame because they have a platform here to make some real quality, good and enjoyable content. I hope they start to figure that out soon.

 

I dont really want to argue about laziness or whatever is going on here but it would just be nice if they allocated a bit more of their budget to rolling stocks, i wouldnt even mind reskins but having just one new loco in the new german route is kinda insulting to me, hope they do better

 

For clarification, I don’t think DTG are lazy and I should also add that obviously when there’s only one train in reality that runs on a route like the 710 on the Goblin, I have less of a problem with that because there obviously nothing DTG can do with that. But where there can be more than one train I think they should go for it or maybe not even a new train, maybe more modified versions of certain trains for example, instead on BML using purely 377/4s what about /1s and or /7s? And for Dresden- Riesa, a BR 146.1? It would be appreciated.

 

Well, I would point out that the wildly praised Blackpool only has one new train, plus a number of recycles.

 

BML actually uses 377/1s, as some are numbered so. But they are identical to the /4s which I don't think is the case in real life.

 

Thats perfectly fine cause it has alot of reskins, we dont even get that in the new dtg routes. Some freight wagon reskins would add for variety and the new german route has alot more potential

 

You literally just described half of the TSW routes.

 

I mean that literally is the case for many tsw routes though. I wouldn't use lazy, but it is clear that DTG don't put as much effort into some routes as they could. We keep getting short routes with one new train for the most part with dodgy sounds, poor scenery and other problems. We don't get many loco add ons either. This game could be so much better.

 

Correction: We keep buying short routes. If you're not a victim of "Fear of missing out", you don't have to.

The customer is creating the demand, not the producer. It seems short routes sold well, so they'll serve that demand further.

 

Should bans also be issued for individuals that seem to come on the forum with nothing better to do but complain about those complaining then? After all it's the same individuals that do it as well.

Saying that DTG is lazy is harsh, but I can understand why someone may say that and not get worked up, offended and say that some individuals should be banned because of a difference of an opinion

 

The last route I purchased was the Niddertalbahn for tsw3. Granted it was on a sale but it was a good route. The other tsw3 dlc I purchased was Edinburgh-Glasgow and NY-Trenton although I got that at $10 on a third party site. That's all the dlc's i got for tsw3. I haven't purchased any tsw4 dlc's. Not sure why you felt the need to correct me.

 

It's a nice route.

I was merely saying we as individuals cannot speak for the masses. If short routes wouldn't sell, they'd not be making them. The masses seem to like them, and what sells is what gets produced.

You don't get short routes, you decide if want to get them

 

Could it also be down to the fact is that is what DTG make for the most part? When options are limited, it's no wonder that they would do well

 

It could, but only Focus/DTG have the numbers, and I'm sure they'll be following some simple economical rules. And they need to have a constant output of DLC which limits the development time.

So saying a route with double mileage would result in doubled sales would be quite an unrealistic assumption - unfortunately. Profitability means create the maximum result with minimum effort. Still Focus are in a precarious situation, their share price is still down, the christmas sale just kept them afloat. Let's see if they can "PulluP" in April.

 

"So saying a route with double mileage would result in doubled sales would be quite an unrealistic assumption"

I do fully agree with this 100% but at the same time I think there needs to be some minimum standard for route length, or dramatically lower the price. The upcoming Goblin line better not be £30 for 13 miles of track and 1 train, £20 would be reasonable but not a penny more.

 

I wouldn't think for a second that there was high demand for a route like the Glossip Line though. DTG choose to make mostly short non-linear trains with mostly 1 new train. Now for me, I wouldn’t purchase a route like that but considering the lack of competition particularly on the console market, that doesn't suprise me that it would do well

To say that a longer route wouldn’t sell more or be popular doesn't sound right. If you look at routes like Riesa-Dresden, that is a popular route. SEHS is also very popular due to the network style nature of the routes and the variety of services. It's a long route

The GOBLIN could sell well even if it is short, but I believe if they made the North London and GOBLIN like they did in tsc and combined the two with both the 378 and 710, it would sell even more so I don't agree fully with that statement

 

This is not the customers' decision - there's paid people in a company whose job is to calculate the product's price so they can pay their employees and be profitable enough to not get abandoned by their parent company.

Your only power is to say No, I won't buy it.

 

Even £20 is pushing it for a short route with limited replay value and a train we don't even know will layer anywhere else in future. I would say £15 nearer the mark.

 

And everybody's aware you're not forced to pay full price. There's sales, key resellers etc.

 

But many of the routes I play are the complete opposite, there's enough in them for them to not be bare.

 

There's enough for me.

 

Different expectations I guess. The last loco DLC released was the Flying Scotsman and the 193 although they did come in a bundle. DTG didn't make many loco dlc's for tsw 3 either

 

Well yes, but that doesn't make it immune from criticism nor does that excuse the questionable decisions that DTG make

 

To be fair I only really stick to SEHS anyway, with all add ons.

Probably why I consider TSW to be complete given that route has a busy timetable and everything, as it has everything I could ever hope for.

 

Besides the Acela

 

Loco DLC's are actually usually pretty good- the Vectron 193 and the DB BR 101 are both fantastic. TSG's G6 is great IMO. The Class 465 for SEHS is a good one for the UK, as well as the Class 31 and Class 20 for TVL. Acela is very good, and I liked the CSX Dash 8 a lot.

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I believe the Class 700 and the Amtrak Acela were the only Loco DLC's that were made for tsw 3. Loco DLC's are usually good which makes it a shame that DTG don't make as much.

 

While this is completely true.
We got multiple new liveries for those trains, the Pacer got multiple engine set ups and workings for other routes.

The thing is JT put the effort in to create the variety that was so important for the route. DTG don't seem to put that effort in with rolling stock imo.