Upcoming Release London Overground Suffragette Line - Coming Soon!

Its way too quiet. I watched the stream for over 30 minutes and there was no ai. It is London and not merseyrail innit?

 

Hasn’t this already been a discussion? Wouldn’t people rather wait for the appropriate stock to come rather than having something out of place? I don’t think people would appreciate see Gatwick 387s and the 1972 stock this far east, maybe some forum users, but not the wider community.

 

But we know the developers don't add new stock to older routes, so any C2C stock or Tube trains accurate to the line that may get released in the future won't be added to this line. What you see is what you're always going to be stuck with. So I'm tired of seeing empty and quiet mainline stations when in reality they are Incredibly busy.

 

Yup, a conversation was had quite early on in TSW regarding what stock should be where. (Conveniently when discussing BML, the busiest route the UK has - of course people didn’t mind not seeing weird subs then).

2+ years after that conversation, British routes are still coming up empty, we aren’t getting reworked trains in addition to a new train - these are now DLC packs, which we get nowhere near enough of.

Back porting is basically not a thing either. Every route that comes out is almost certain to be left for dead when it comes to adding in applicable rolling stock that comes after it.

Some 72 stock & a blank 387 would be far from the most egregious gap in realism that TSW has seen.

Having the correct stock on routes is obviously the most important thing when it comes to what trains are where, but the crux of the problem is that we are getting nowhere near enough trains, and when we do get them, anything that came before them, doesn’t know about it.

 

agreed, if a route is empty it’s best not to expect it to change if the appropriate stock shows up, so much for them saying they put in all the timetables for if they do put the train in

 

It was asked in the stream for Goblin line for feedback on collectibles, not sure where best to put it so I’ll add it here.

I will start by saying I use them and I don’t want to see them gone, though development further on them should be way way down on a priority list.

The collectibles can prove very easy to find at many times, though the routes are 50 miles long at times and I don’t have much interest in finding some random bush somewhere along a 50mile route for a collectible hidden inside type thing.

some of the collectibles are also maps which make more sense at common places in stations, i and I’m sure others use them not only as a collectable but navigation, easy to find but should be, so don’t make them hard or in weird places to find.

I would say they are more like additional station items in many cases, they should be where they make sense, route maps at stations, fallen trees along the track, bicycles/luggage racks at appropriate areas of the station etc.

 

Well, when SEHS released they put 375s on the 465 services, replaced if one bought the 465 DLC after it came out.

 

Oh, please no more fallen trees! The things are darn near impossible to spot, and you have to run a marathon to find them.

 

I was kinda just remembering them from NTP which are quite easy to spot I thought, though annoying to get when trying to keep to services.

 

That easy to spot I'm still missing one

 

No

 

Totally incorrect substitutions would be as much of an immersion-breaker as there being no other stock. It may make the route look busier but TS72 stock on a surface-stock line would look so wrong that I wouldn't be able to take the route seriously.
As I've said repeatedly on here, non-branded, white/pink 710s replacing C2C's 720s would be far preferable to make Barking busier until such time as the Class 357,720 and/or S stock comes into TSW.

The DTG obsession with pointing-out AI on the ECML makes the lack of it around Barking seem even more of an egregious omission.

 

I admit I'm highly likely misremembering what was said a while back, but didn't DTG mention that this route would have on onboard announcements on the 710s?

 

Another route I won't be purchasing. Thats the last two now ive been less than compelled to purchase. In fact make that three, I didn't get the Swiss route either.

Honestly DTG need to up their game - money is tight and so far the content just lacks impact.

 

There will be no announcements on anything until they can implement a system that’s works for all content. It’s Rivet’s 170 that will have on board announcements

 

Watched the preview stream and also the British ace video and impressed by it.. a question regarding the brakes. How many steps are there of normal braking and also is it true the brake effort percentage changes at times. Just noticed it on the preview video referenced before.

Additionally. Do the doors close automatically?

 

Finally got around to watching the preview stream for this route.

Positives: Very good modeling overall, which, after 7 years of experience, is to be expected. Scenery and stations were very good. The train was also well- modeled inside and out.

Negatives: Whole route was eerily quiet with little to no environmental sounds. The train was also almost silent while running though I did here some occasional track noises. This is London, right?

Night lighting was just as poor as Birmingham, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Manchester. Although the headlights did illuminate the track immediately ahead, there was little in the way of ambient lighting from buildings or street lighting . Where is that " glow" that hangs over every major metro area? Again, this is London, right? I felt like we were traveling along a rural railway.

Unless you enjoy " bus stop " rail travel, this route is tedious and has little replayability in my opinion. It's great for those who like joystick- controlled, pretty -colored rail buses driving along changeless track, which may describe the majority of players these days.

As to the stream itself, the driver didn't himself seem all that excited about driving the route. His co- presenter provided most of the enthusiasm.

And, as usual, far too much emphasis was placed on the gimmicky aspects like those collectible creatures, elevators ( who cares ) and waiting for trains on an overpass ( again, so what? ).

Not for me at any price. Fife might be a better bet with its dmu, which I assume we'll be able to hear.

 

EMU’s and DMU’s normally have 3 steps of braking, exceptions being trains like the HST and locos.

I’m not sure if this is the case with the 710 but a feature was implemented on the 323 where brake force would change depending on the weight of the train, that may or may not be on the 710. Other than that it could be the switching between dynamic and air brakes isn’t as smooth as it should be

 

Rosenheim-Salzburg is very good.

 

I find it amazing that this line is named after a bunch of posh, elite women, Suffragettes, with the added benefit of a few lines being renamed including this one all for the bargain price of £6.3 million. What a hero that mayor is?
I should explain, the Suffragettes were the upper class of society who wanted the vote for women, but not working class women just for themselves same with the men, only the upper classes could vote not the masses like everyone thinks.

 

Yeah that's probably what I remember. Thank you.

 

Not really. The women who fought for the right to vote in both the UK and US were mostly white and middle class and many were also involved with workers' rights and, in the US at least, the rights of minorities.

Although there were some instances of violence, most suffrage campaigners were peaceful and occasionally civilly disobedient.

I don't use the word " suffragette " because it originated as a term of mockery against these women.

Whatever you may call them, they certainly deserve to be honored and celebrated as founders of the women's rights movement. Just not sure a railway line using the term " suffragettes" is the most appropriate way to recognise their contribution..

But I don't pay taxes in London or the UK so I don't have a dog in that hunt.

 

I assure you, a very large number of American suffragettes hadn't the least intention of getting black people the right to vote.

 

Don't think I will bother purchasing the route £24.99 for a 13 mile route seems steep to me

 

The doors close automatically but an issue was identified during stream which I've been reading requires you to reopen and close the doors after it closes automatically

 

Don't base the price on length, base it on the quality of the route and train.

13 miles may be short, but if the quality is high the price is worth it.

 

That is true tbf

 

It might be a new route looking all glitzy but if you insist on recycling old routes, I'll hold off until we get a WCML or a Wherry Lines at least they were far better than the cacky Goblin. There will never be any value to me in buying a stand alone line that doesn't have all the relevant stock, that has empty lines and yards that should be busy and is only 13 miles long. Value goes with longevity and there will be none of that once DTG have moved along to the next project and forgotten about this route.

 

Cannot find it in Microsoft Store

 

PC release is 4pm GMT.

 

It is now In Microsoft Store, didn’t appear until 10.15

 

I’m loving this route and I love most the little details of the freight on the GEML, Class 357 stop markers, S7 Stock markers and the Lea Valley Line even displaying LST on the trains!

 

Those are neat little features for sure, good to see more of that detail creeping into TSW.

I don’t get why more of that sort of thing wasn’t shown off in the stream, rather than the lift & goblin hunt.

 

Yes, I found the stream somewhat annoying with so much time spent searching for these irrelevancies.

But could we be mistaken though? Could DTG's research show that more people are interested in stuffed animals, donkeys and other collectables, gimmicky stuff like elevators and achievements than the number of players interested in serious railway features? I've suspected this for a while. One reason is that when something goes wrong with the arcade aspects of the game, warning bells start ringing at DTG HQ and a fix is soon found, but for those real railway bugs there's often no sense of urgency.

 

I’m certainly inclined to agree with that.

 

The break are not working properly When you are coming in national slow you have to slam on your break

 

In the UK the only men that could vote were either MP's or the elite the Suffragettes goal was to have the votes for women but only the upper classes NOT the working or lower middle classes but they did employ them in their tactics. They may wish to be remembered but they should be remembered for what they were, in the UK at least.

I will agree naming a Railway line after them seems to be a bit daft. The London Mayor (who is off his rocker) deemed it necessary to rename 5 or 6 lines all for the bargain price of 6.3 million quid! For that money I could think of far more suitable names for a Railway Line as could the majority here. I would start by naming them after the people who built the Railway lines in the first place.

 

Got to fact check you because it looks as though you've been the unfortunate victim of misinformation.

*The "Suffragettes" movement was started by Emmeline Pankhurst who was from Moss Side, Manchester, she formed the Women's Social & Political Union after being refused entry to the Labour Party on gender grounds. The campaign was for equal rights for women, not upper classes, not middle classes, all women. If you've never heard of Moss Side, it was a slum area back in Victorian days.

*Ultimately their campaign didn't succeed because at the outbreak of World War 1 they refocused their efforts on patriotically supporting the war effort.

*However they are rightly praised as bringing women's rights into the public conversation because after the war The Liberal Party Government (note they were all men at the time) passed the 1918 the Representation of the People Act which heavily increased how many men were eligible to vote and allowed a small proportion of women over the age of 30 to vote if they met certain criteria.

*Neither Emmeline Pankhurst, the WSPU or any of the Suffergette movement had any say on what those qualifying criteria were, they were not campaigning for upper class women, why would they? They were working class Socialists from Moss Side.

*It took a further 10 years for women to properly get the vote. That was under a Conservative Government.

*I would have preferred the Pankhurst Line personally.

*The £6.3m London Overground overhaul project is the tender value for the works needed to upgrade signage and PIS and reprint maps. It would have cost pretty much the same even if they called them Line 1, Line 2, or even to formally names them GOBLIN/NLL/ELL. The purpose was to untangle the mess of Overground Lines, give them names and different colours and make them easier to understand. So the choice to do nothing or spend £6m doing something about it.

Going back to the origins of the women's vote though, Socialists, Liberals and Conservatives were all involved. Women from all backgrounds were involved. So any attempt to frame this politically or from a class perspective is somewhat doomed to fail.

 

Went against my better judgement and bought this when I said I wouldn't and guess what?

Another route that has had a sprinkle of fairy dust and yes, it does look good but looks aren't everything.

Driving around this London route is like driving on the Isle of Wight.

Come on DTG this is fecking shocking. London is not a quiet place to be but this route is fecking dead. A couple of trains passing even though I have all uk assets is just not damn good enough.

I mean if DTG can't be arsed to get the moving content to reflect the area they are setting the route in, how about they at least pull their fingers out of their arses and give us the level of required static content to at least make the route look like London and busy.

To say everything is timetabled is one thing but to see London dead yet again is quite something else.

DTG are starting to deserve a migration of fans and users.

 

With the exception of the Woodgrange Park to Ripple Lane section, this line is probably one of the quietest in the capital and serves mostly residential areas around the fridges of Victorian London. So I'm not sure what your expectation was. You should have travelled along it in the early 80s when it was an afterthought of a service using life-expired 104s and the occasional bubble car. It's positively teaming with life in the TSW version compared to the line I knew prior to TfL's takeover.

It only has an unrealistic calm at Barking, a station where GOBLIN services are in the minority. A simple fix could have been to have white/pink 5 car 710s coming and going on C2C services. They were never going to make 357s or S-stock just for AI purposes.

Maybe a few more sirens and some buses would have been appreciated but other than Barking it's fine.

 

I'm not the one that introduced a facility to sit and watch lines and take photos or an external view.

Try it watching the ECML as well as other lines that sit next to or cross this line or just load a game and watch the traffic on the lines thru the map.

I don't have issues with traffic flow on the Goblin, yes it isn't the busiest line but I do have issues with the other lines being dead. East Ham depot is dead too. I don't think I have ever seen Barking as quiet too.

Even if they just put something going backwards and forwards it would add to the immersion.

Sometimes, a few incorrect details are better than no details and a dead line.

I don't actually sit and watch the lines or take photos, I find that part as pointless as the collectables. I'd just like the traffic to reflect the line even if its only in passing.

 

I have to admit I do like the fancy bits like working lifts etc but not at the expense of the quality of the route. This seems to be Rivet’s problem as seen in the stream for Fife Circle. They are good at introducing fun things. They were the first to install a working lift in Edinburgh - Glasgow and now have working escalators. Their walk around sections are fun as well. But I wish they would concentrate more on scenery details and then, if they have time, put in the bells and whistles.

 

Moss side was very different to what it is today, and yes I have heard of it. The elites had houses everywhere. In the infancy of voting in England the only people that could vote were the elites and the suffragettes as I said made use of the lower classes to do their bidding but only wanted the vote for elite women, fact check a proper historian. I did. Apparently Men were also involved.

Do not believe everything you see on Wiki, they can't even get the date right for Stalingrad.

You didn't mention that Pankhurst was married to a Lawyer and it is even debateable if the movement even swayed the government at the time who treated them brutally according to this,
https://www.tchevalier.com/fallingangels/bckgrnd/suffrage/
I don't live in London but this is what they think or some of them at least,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-inclusive-sorting-reliability-services.html

 

Sorry, you've quoted The Daily Mail which is a notoriously unreliable "news"paper which is owned by the "elites" and I don't learn about history from the internet because I've been reading books for 50 years, long before Wikipedia existed. For example I'm currently reading about cognitive dissonance.....