More BSR goodness: EZ (47838) Gratwein Gratkorn to Nurnberg Rbf at 11:27. Pick your favorite freight loco; if it's not the Vectron then we aren't going to get along There is a wait at the start. It is mid day and all the freights are lining up at Salzburg. You will get some signals following freight traffic. How much those signals hold you up determines how your run goes after Prien am Chiemsee. There is a 363 service waiting at a signal and it will get the green if you are significantly delayed. With AI running the whole show, your train passes through that station at 12:18 and the 363 gets a green at 12:21. The service that does get trapped behind the 363 is a bonus service: EZ (45808) Villach Sund to Munchen Nord Rbf which is a double headed 3000-ton train at nearly 700 meters. Yet, I could not find it in the timetable. If you want to drive it, you need to spawn on foot at Salzburg at 11:40. Walk down the platform towards Rosenheim, walk off the platform, and then head to the left and wait by the two tracks adjacent to a low wall about 100 meters in front of the platform. EZ (45808) pulls up the red signal at 11:42:30. You can hop in and take it over, but you will have to settle for whatever locos the game provides. For me, it was a pair of 185.2s. This service should be run in PZB U and at 3000 tons, you probably should not exceed 80kph. I drove it up the hill like a maniac, knowing that I had to be close to Prien am Chiemsee around 12:25 to encounter some signaling issues. I felt I was behind schedule, so I also ignored the 80 kph top speed going downhill. Interestingly, under this scenario the 363 got out before the EZ (47838) service in front of me; puzzling since that didn't happen when I spawned at the Prien and watched how things unfolded under AI. Regardless, I had some close calls getting under the PZB limits and, in one case, avoided a SPAD by about 3 meters with the train in emergency. Great fun, but not good for my future employment prospects at DB. What finally did in my DB career was a yellow I approached at about 60 kph thinking everything was under control. I gradually applied the brakes and the train just would not slow going down a 1% grade. I slid by the red under emergency and watched my screen go black! If you run this bonus service, please post here how it went!
Absolutely loved this one. Really liked the pzb action and the parallel run with the freight train heading into Traunstein.
I tried these instructions but it never showed up. 45808 is in the timetable as a 20:02 service from Salzburg with a 38 car manifest and single loco.
I figured out a workaround, but it’s a very weird situation that makes me think there’s a serious bug in the route. When I went into free roam there were no trains anywhere on the map. I tried instead spawning in the 11:40 S-Bahn service, and that worked: the secret freight pulled up.
The Salzburg Turn on BSR with the DB 628.2: Start in service RB (27105) Landshut to Salzburg at 08:44. Once you reach Salzburg, switch ends, and come back in RB (27970) at 9:06 to Landshut. It's 30 minutes of TSW goodness with the Salzburg traffic. Have your hand on the PZB acknowledge switch. And, finally, you can ignore the power changeover signs! Spoiler: Run it first! On the inbound service, there is a wait for traffic just outside Freilassing. After that, virtually no greens on the run into Salzburg. For the return, you have a wait to clear traffic at Salzburg Taxham and then follow traffic to Freilassing with SPAD potential.
That's not a bug with the route; that's what's supposed to happen. To spawn on foot with the normal timetable running, select timetable and choose "on foot" on the train selection screen.
These are like easter egg trains I will run past a freighter in a German route and wonder... when is it going, then it's like 6 hours later LOL. Thanks!
Nice! Let us know how it goes and if you push it to 100 kph or keep it at a more reasonable 80 kph. I want to try to complete that without SPADing.
I just finished it. SPADing at Rosenheim? I didn't SPAD but PZB got me twice. Once in the middle at Traunstein (the bridge is 70kph!) where I don't really know the road yet ie hills, signals and speed restrictions etc And at the end in Rosenheim PZB got me I think I needed to be doing under 45kph (so 40kph). I need to do a PZB refresher! I stayed around 80-90kph going up and as I read your SPAD incident I was more cautious and tried to do around 70kph going down especially from Bad Endorf. The route is gorgeous and its great to have freight variety! Also since TSW3 it's just great having the cloud shadows. It feels more real. I'll try doing under 40kph into Rosenheim so I think PZB will leave me alone. There is a crossover from the mainline so I think the points speed is the limiting factor. About the SPAD...... There is a German rule (PZB I think) where it is used in Australia in a certain rail system as well as they have the German type signalling and magnets. At 1000m (I think!) you should be doing 40kph or something like that. And I think at 400m you must do 25kph or under. Don't quote me as I get into trouble for not having grammar correct and then get blamed!! But it's very similar to PZB in how it dictates the speed as you approach the red. It reminds me of Sherman Hill heading into Laramie (I think-or is it the other one-Cheyenne?) and you are on a downgrade with a freight train. If you don't get the train under control which is air braking at about 5000-6000 yards then it is very easy to have a SPAD as well. In TSW you have some good cues unlike TSC (0) but still you don't feel that momentum through the seat with the train pushing you. Your only tell is the speedo really.
Did you encounter any red signals? I sped up the hill around 100 and did 90 going down which led to two reds, the last one I SPADed despite doing only 60 at the yellow!
I think this is my first contribution to this thread - a run so good I ran it a second time just after finishing it. One of the best timetable runs I have ever seen in TSW. It’s an ECML freight run with the Class 66 and it takes 2 hours and twenty minutes or thereabouts. 4L55 Doncaster Down Decoy to Renwick Road at 19:19 Full timetable may be required (not sure) This is a heavy freight train that runs the whole length of the route and gets pulled over into sidings several times and includes a pick-up on the way. It is a run you must do even if it seems a bit long. There are no long waits in the sidings as once each train you have pulled over for passes you are back on your way immediately. Lots of approach control signals for each siding too. I played it on 21st June with very light cloud cover and that starts in daylight and gives you a sunset behind you and nice full moon in front too. Spoiler You start off in your Class 66 ready to pull loaded JNA wagons from Doncaster Down Decoy and if you want AWS you need to walk to the other cab to enable it. Once on your way you pass over the mainline and then join it. The train is heavy so you won’t get up too much speed going uphill and then the first stop is at Retford station where you add even more weight to your train with a pick-up of more JNA wagons. For the rest of the journey you will be going slow on uphill sections but can get to the max train speed of 75 mph on some flat or downhill sections. All entries into sidings are approach control signals so you need to watch your speed but can speed up again to reach the stopping points on time (or close enough). The max speed of this train probably should be lower than 75 mph in reality but the timetable timings assume you reach that speed when possible. You are pulled over into two more sidings on the trip - Carlton Up Passenger Loop and Claypole Passenger Loop for more trains to pass as the night draws in. If you are running efficiently and on time you should pass a 158 leaving Grantham as an Azuma speeds up towards Doncaster. A fine sight if you pass it as the two trains pass each other. For the whole run there is a lot of Azuma traffic going in the opposite direction as you would expect on this route. The final two parts are a fast run into Peterborough with the moon ahead of you (if played on the 21st June), passing an oncoming freight train as you get closer, onto an extra stop where you need to contact the signaller to proceed on this interesting routing into the station. If you have kept good time and are on time for this very last short section you will arrive into Peterborough as a Class 700 arrives on the next platform. After the debrief screen you can then return to free roam and sit in the secondman’s seat and get half way across the bridge after leaving Peterborough before it kicks you out of the session, if you like. Enjoy !!!
No reds. I wasn't going fast enough I guess. I'm still learning this, but German signals are very close. In the UK on GEML/ECML etc you get signals that are 1000m to 1100metres apart. I think in Germany they are 670metres apart approximately without referring to anything. They are closer. But any driver signed off would know the signals well and the system etc. It's just a matter of getting experience. Like you did LOL! But IRL it would be other experienced drivers passing on small details about signals and system network workings where you'll learn the intricacies of what you will need to be doing at that location. It's very enjoyable once you get the hang of it. Like I said I don't know the road and its very hilly and bumpy, not many consistent grades like Dresden Riesa etc..... Most of the German routes are quite flat. Excpet Mein Spessart Bahn and maybe Koln Aachen.
SD70ACe 8563, 0650 hrs Sherman Hill Grain train to Cheyenne from Laramie. With TOD3 this route looks spectacular with that Wyoming feel. Make sure to turn on BANKING COMM first. Otherwise you may have issues.
Hi JustWentSouth, I have just run this service yesterday and I would like to make one suggestion, that is to mention in the description for this service in the excel file that it requires to have Niddertalbahn: Bad Vilbel - Stockheim DLC to fully enjoy it. I don't own Niddertalbahn (yet), hence 628 was not there and the whole run was pretty much regular, except one difference, where I was diverted to different track at Boppart, had to slow down to 60 km/h, then again diverted to main line - no idea why dispatcher done that as the main line was not occupied by any other train, so it was completely unnecessary. But I had this also on two other services, one with the same situation - omitting empty track and one where there was actually BR110 occupying main line and I was overtaking it by that diversion, so here it made sense (I don't remember which service is that unfortunately).
Adding this to the spreadsheet, I found Grain Laramie Yard to Cheyenne Yard at 06:51 with the SD70ACe. Is this the one you recommend? Interestingly, this service is not selectable with any of the Heritage Units or the ES44CW.
This was a good service! I passed Prien at 1229 having done 95kmh most of the way, then I reduced to 70kmh. I found this gave me plenty of time to brake for the multiple Vr0s received, and enabled me to complete the service with no issues.
Suffragette Line 7V31 Bow Depot- Acton T.C. (S. Tottenham-Gospel Oak) 10:31; Class 66 Short but sweet IMO. As you start the run another freight is passing headed towards Gospel Oak, which you follow the whole way. Lots of yellows and at least one SPAD danger. Bit of a jam-up at Gospel Oak, but the red lights eventually cleared. Quite a bit of AI for less than 4 miles even saw an AI train crossing the overpass near Crouch Hill.
A good, but not great BSR run: IC (118) Salzburg to Munster at 13:37 with the 103. Driving the 103 on these gradients is fun. If you meet the challenge and stay on time, you will have a bit of a surprise at the end. By the way, any nominees for the the Suffragette Goblin Line Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside London Overground acronym. I have a feeling there will be a number of recommended runs on this route. GLO? SLO? GOBR? LOV? GOB? The "official" one seems to be GLE. Not sure I understand what the E is for.
What a nice run! And, thanks for getting me back onto ECML. It looks great under a full moon and finding interesting services has revived my interest in the route. Here is one that gets caught behind that freight: 1A49 Leeds to London Kings Cross at 19:47 with the LNER 801/1.
Gospel Oak - Barking Riverside. 2J59 You follow a freight service for a little while up to South Tottenham. You also see some other fright services in other places
I’m really enjoying driving the 31 on Blackpool - Preston at the moment. Having less power than the type 4s you get to work it harder for longer, and it makes a glorious noise as well as plenty of clag! 1T07 Stoke to Blackpool North (10:32 from Preston) is another great run with signal checks and plenty of AI trains.
I guess so but it is a heavy train (as in slow to get up speed). I couldn’t remember what speed limit a 4 headcode was at the time and I thought that because it was so slow and heavy that it may have a slower limit in reality but the max speed is 75 for a 4 headcode, which is also the max speed of a Class 66.
That was a great suggestion...however I passed a red light just before Poulton, my own fault as I didn't read the signals properly lol, I'll be doing that run again though as it was a great one. It's a summer service as well so I spawned at Preston at 10.25am and it was already in the platform so had plenty of time to set things up.
Ah yes, I’ve been caught out there as well. I saw the distant OK, but thought the first stop signal it protected was the one at the far end of the platform at Poulton. Turns out there’s one before that, nicely hidden around a curve…
Yep it was that one which got me lol, My own fault but I did turn the air blue when I passed it at 32mph haha
So much to explore on BSR: DGS (4780) Stadlau to Wolfurt at 07:02 with your favorite freight loco; always the Vectron for me. It is a double header at 2900 tons with 30 cars. I plugged the data into the Universal Freight Calculator by noir: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/universal-freight-calculator-for-german-content.75134/ and got 80 kph max on PZB U. I had to do the weight over ride and manually plug in 2900 tons. 80 kph may be pushing it a bit, but it makes it fun. I recommend running 90-95 kph up the hill from Salzburg and keeping it at 75-80 after kilometer marker 57.4 at the top of the hill. It is a good run and requires some train handling. Be patient with the traffic out of Salzburg and out of Freilassing. The game is not stuck. It will clear. Some advice, if anyone is interested. When you see a 1000 hz magnet coming up and your are on a downslope or going near 80 kph, don't be bashful about putting the brakes into full service. This train takes a while to slow and your 38 seconds to get under 55 goes by quickly. You also need to be under 40 at a 500 hz magnet. If you are fortunate enough to be slowing too quickly, you can start feathering out the brake as you approach 55. Also, I tried to smooth things out by being under 70 kph when I approached the 70 kph warning magnet near Traunstein, but still found the magnet still active forcing me to slow under 55 kph. And, finally, in the category of nice touches: I started the run by turning the MCB off, taking the panto down, and switching to AU 15keV. I love having to do the full switchover in the neutral zone and be up and running of GE 15keV on the other side. So, at the start when I had taken the panto down and switched the input, I put the panto up at a standstill and watched it rise from a close vantage point. It made a click when it hit the wire. Very nice!
I haven't got much time but I do just need to share a service I have just done and thoroughly enjoyed on the Midland Mainline with that wonderful HST. I don't want to spoil it too much but it involves a non stop run on service 1C50 from Derby to Leicester which may sound dull but the AI really keeps you on your toes throughout and then there is a nice bit of change to the normal pathing at Leicester, so if going HUDless (which I recommend highly) make sure you know Leicester area especially well! Sorry for the rather brief description, but it is a great service and I don't what to ruin the surprise too much! Also great thread by the way with a great collection of runs to try out. Thanks mate!
Thanks for the suggestion! I don't run MML too often so I wouldn't say I know the Leicester area too well, so I don't know about how unusual the pathing was but chasing the other HST was definitely fun!
Bakerloo Line 1938 stock timetable 231-11 service from Elephant & Castle to Harrow & Wealdstone You be stuck be hide a service to Harrow & Wealdstone all the way lots of red lights in and out of the tube section
A nice light loco run on the Goblin/Suffragette Line: 0Z01 Wembly to Ripple Lane at 12:27 with the Class 37/7 EPX. It's a light loco run behind a 710 service - a challenge to handle with just the loco brake as you encounter adverse signals and speed changes. With that we have an update. Please let me know of any errors or omissions! Google Published Documents: TSW3&4 Recommended Service Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...4lUuBrw-k2_y7FxuzH6mZ1m3Qu4YTfLViTfxQ/pubhtml TSW Compatible Recommended Service Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet..._wzt7qTCooxSTBW8pGAwYLs_ohsdDOcQOuZ4A/pubhtml Chaos Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...yCTbHVZrwBSBUUkPiiJGlTWfRXexfPn7kBVDw/pubhtml Excel Spreadsheets: TSW3&4 Recommended Service Runs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ouid=108028767534258522758&rtpof=true&sd=true TSW Compatible Recommended Service Runs https://drive.google.com/file/d/14YgilvnKZFc7TJXyqftRJ0I5yTMlMf81/view?usp=sharing Chaos Runs https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cMKrwNA2OmZz8tVEQo1_FZnRZXpNT463/view?usp=sharing
This one isn't listed in my schedule and it doesn't show up when I spawn on feet in Salzburg. It would be good to understand which other DLCs add which layers/trains on the route. This is confusing.
I drove the EZ (45808), but in my case there was not much exitement. Although I have several BR 363 variants from different DLC you probably need to own the specific route listed in the layers list (Ruhr Sieg Nord). In consequence, there was no 363 service and the AI traffic below expectations and the ride of the 45808 a little too boring.
Sorry about that. There are actually two services with this number. The one in the timetable is relatively routine. The one I’m talking about in this post is one where you have to spawn on foot and take it over as it appears outside of Salzburg. Also, if you drive it “appropriately“ and keep the speed low, it’s not that much fun. You have to speed up the hill to encounter the action on the downhill side. I am never sure what layers are needed for these runs. Personally, I own all the German content.
Not your fault No need to say sorry. I indeed took the one you described. And although I should have done faster uphill, I monitored the map and realized that the BR 363 service was non-existent.
Finally got around to this service and, you're right, it's an absorbing run. I'm not normally a frequent player of the ECML, but I enjoyed this run. One thing that stands out with ECML is the very good night lighting, not something I can say about UK routes generally. If they can do this for a mostly rural route, why not for urban routes like BCC, Glossop and Cathcart?
Running 2M94 Glasgow-newton on cathcart circle, and there's quite a few trains arriving as you depart. I passed 3 before even arriving at Pollokshields west which is pretty realistic for a glasgow central departure
Here's an interesting Class 66 Railtour on London Overground: 1Z30 Crewe to London Gateway at 11:14. You pass the Class 33 Railtour which is waiting for you. You are also behind a 710 service.
Two very heavy and difficult to handle freight runs on London Overground with the Class 66: 6L44 Tunstead Sidings to West Thurrock Sidings at 12:28 and 6M97 West Thurrock Sidings to Tunstead Sidings at 21:51 Both trains are nearly 1600 tons and 800 feet. Heavy trains can be a challenge on the Goblin Grades. Add in adverse signals due to stopping services and you have two excellent runs. Both are similar. 6L44 has a hill start; 6M97 is at night and the route is gorgeous.
