Petition To Delay Fife Circle Line For Seriously Needed Updates

Rivets Fife Circle line from the preview stream is absolutely shambles, barren scenery everywhere and is plauged with issues.

Do we think they should delay it for further development?

 

This route is an absolute scam. I am Beyond disappointed... Hell I don't think Disappointed is a accurate way to describe how I feel... This route needs to be delayed ASAP cause this is just ridiculous. How do you destroy all hope and confidence in a route within a single stream... The 170 Looks great and sounds good tho... At least that's the only good thing about this route

 

Too late i'm afraid, Console versions will have already been sent out.
Best we can hope for is a post release patch.

 

Why am I not suprised.....
They won't delay the route

 

They had enough time...

 

All I can think of is the time the forums were ablaze with criticism for the OG SEHS release, I think we’re going to see a similar situation here.

 

Yes, because there is literally barely any scenery throughout most of the route, it’s a huge disappointment, I’m not wasting my money on this route, I rather stick with Suffragette Line than this pile of trash.

 

Absolutely, what we saw was shambolic all around, to be fair maybe a petition to get rid of rivet needs to be had

 

Delay until the 158 is released

 

I don’t think I’ve seen a poll with such a majority before on here, no reason not to get things sorted properly rather than the usual fire and forget rivet go for often.

Delay or Fire and Forget, not difficult to say Delay.

(looking forward to see the official responses to this, quite the popcorn moment)

 

What I don't get is how 3 people think it shouldn't be delayed

 

there are those that often call for a mass production style of dlc without realising the effect it has on quality, it’s impatience but not something what will stop very much unfortunately.

 

Probably not but I get it

 

Why bother. Just don't buy it. If it gets good quality post-release patches, you can always reconsider buying it.

 

Yeah, this feels like another MML. Not even understandable either, the last release was last week - we can wait!

 

i am not a pro at judging scenery so i am just going to ask. At what parts of the route has so far been revealed that have bad scenery?

 

Skyhook kept their word and not only fixed everything but made it even better.

We have multiple examples of Rivet not only not making it better but not even fixing their mess.

 

It was the final build they were showing. Don’t buy that ridiculous excuse. This was a preview of a product they have pumped significant resources into. They came up with the build excuse when Matt had basically exhausted all excuses and gave up.

And there is no way that it is going to improve in the time between release given it is in 5 days and 2 of them are a weekend. That’s just not happening.

Also the 150 isn’t even in the game.

 

Yes the 150 is in tsw on wcl

 

10000% agree.

 

You guys did this with the WCL and what was the result?

They don't care!

Only hope for this route are the mod developers on trainsimcommunity.

 

Absolutely not!
Doesn't help console owners.
I'd not buy a brand new house at full price and then expect to put new windows in it because they let the wind and rain in.
People need to stop purchasing half finished products as that is the only deterrent to the producer. It SHOULD be correct at launch.
Minor bugs, most can understand as 100s of people will unearth them during the initial weeks, over a few in house.
What was shown on the live stream is plainly just not acceptable.

It started within the first 5 when Matt couldn't find Perth on the PIS after cycling through, then no announcements, as promised at length, and it just went downhill from then.
Only positive for me was the Forth Bridge. Looked very impressive, but it was expected from the earlier release screenshots.

 

You're right about console players.

 

Sadly there are always those who will just put on rose tinted spectacles and let their obsession with the product blind them to reason. The other word is “fanbois” which I know is frowned upon on here, hence the quote marks. But there really is no excuse for shoddy, sub freeware levels of quality. Just because the Forth Bridge shines like a rose bush, doesn’t mean you ignore the rest of the garden overrun with weeds.

 

A 35 minute timetable run saw Matt pass 2 other trains, what a boring lonely route. Announcements not working and zero use of the class 37 or 66 to bulk up the timetable to offer some gameplay variety. Not one service does the circle?

Given the obvious love given to Blackpool Branches and Goblin Line this appears like a huge step back.

I'd like to see a release delay and the timetable re-worked.

 

Just scrap it, or sell what theyve done to another developer. If Rivet were given more time imo, they'd probably do the bare minimum.

 

They could salvage the 170 and do that as a slightly retro pack for E to G along with the 158 when it arrives.

 

Ultimately it needs finishing. The timetable really means nothing if the scenery you’re driving in looks like a dropped trifle. A concerted 2-3 weeks effort from people who know what they’re doing could sort it out. We all know that’s not likely to happen.

Given how hot this is following on the heels of another UK route this smacks of ‘this must be out before the end of March come what may’. To have any two routes this close together is unprecedented, to have to 2 from the same country suggests something odd is going on.

It isn’t good enough to put this out in this state then release a patch 4-5 months down the road. Additionally, given Rivet’s history with post release updates (as in, they’re virtually non-existent) I don’t trust one bit that there will be one.

If you buy it do so in the expectation that this is your lot.

 

Omg 150-9 thats the most people ive seen vote on a non DTG or third party poll

 

I hope they get the right build then.

 

Not for Console players

 

It’s £29.99 for a Class 170, then the route.

 

Delay is not the solution, post release updates is

 

No, delay is the solution. Because we won't get post release updates. We haven't on any previous routes to the degree needed.

Nobody should be buying the route in the state it is in.

 

Where is the ambition with this route? The wish to excel? To provide something better than what is already out there?
At the moment this could be called "Forth Bridge, Escalator and Class 170" simulator.

Rivet already have the CL150. They already have the CL37 and the ballast wagons. Reskin those and add then in as an extra timetable layer. (Don't worry about being 110% accurate with timescale but, instead, think about playability).

A quick google search shows that Scotsman did a day of running around the Fife Circle in 2023. So talk to DTG and add that in as a layer. (I believe that there were 3 trips around the loop that day). What about the Rivet CL66 in the ETG pack? What about Scotrail HSTs?

Come on Rivet. Push yourselves a bit harder and be more ambitious for both yourselves and for this route.

 

Nonsense. This is not some unforeseen bug that cropped up after release. It is a wholesale failure of 3D modelling and route building technique and the QA which should oversee it. We know from past experience with Rivet products they rarely go back and fix things, in some cases make it worse (WCL 150) or do half a job (1938 stock audio fixes).

 

I will buy it whit goblin line

 

Goblin line is a decent buy, wasting your money on FCL? More fool you.

 

Are your standards that low or are you just easily pleased? Or are you a Rivet employee trying to spin this mess of a route?

 

Just pleased, stop making treads aganist this routes

 

If you like it, fine.

But the majority don't.

 

Let’s not pile on the people who will buy this. I sure wish I was pleased with the state of this content.

How my dreams have been shattered for FCL in TSW.

 

It’s probably a little too late to pull the plug now, and the situation brings to mind the release of Redfall, which was a train wreck; half-finished and buggy as hell, but released anyway to bring in what cash it could muster, and it ruined reputations. Overdramatising things, I know, but Rivet should think more carefully before hitting the Release button, as it’s patently obvious the necessary development time to make a satisfactory job of Fife Circle was significantly underestimated. Especially after the superb Bernina line.

 

People are allowed to make whatever threads they want as long as they are within the rules. Which these are.
You might like FCL, the majority of the community doesn't.

 

What we really need at this point is a statement from DTG as to what their intentions are in light of the very poor response the stream has elicited.

 

I think the amount of threads and feedback in less than 24 hours speaks volumes and its probably the most one sided response I've seen on here to date.
It's 100% your choice to buy the route, as is, but then it feeds into the 'sub-par is acceptable to be released' mindset.
It's the opposition to this that drives the changes and future improvements.
As it is, the most constructive approach I can see, is a delay in release and acceptance that unfortunately a ball was dropped on this one. Spend 4 to 8 weeks making the changes required and they have the chance to redeem themselves.

 

I think it speaks volumes to the mindset of both DTG and rivet, that no one member of either see it fit to comment on the various threads. It has the potential to turn into a proper [Removed - DTg Alex: Disrespectful] if it's not addressed.
Unless that is they're doing it via 'new member' shills.

 

I don’t think this backlash is going to be resolved by comments in threads.

I reckon we’re either going to get a pinned announcement, something on socials, or just silence.

This forum isn’t the only TSW community bubbling over about the state of the route.

 

What do you mean by [Removed]

 

Hmmm, my gut feeling tells me that the corporate layers have a field day today. To determine what can be stated in public and what can not. Great new world order has it that anybody can be offended by anything, anyhow, anywhere at any given time and therefore can sue or being sued for whatever might be interpreted as violation of whatever laws.

And here's the result of a trouble I've pointed out for quite some time now: After a history of overstressed truth economy (aka "blatant lies"), DTG's credibility has gone down the drain and it doesn't matter with whatever info they come up now, it will be subject to heavy doubts from the community. And can you blame us?

There IS a possibility that yesterday's catastrophic streaming disaster was simply human error, maybe the kind of mistake which we all commit from time to time. Somebody switched release versions.

But who would believe in that now?