The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly: Fife Circle

This has (embarrassingly) happened a couple of times. It has been a same day update, the next day or a week to update in the past.

 

It’s good to hear Rivet giving feedback on the many comments. I cannot see them improving it significantly by next Tuesday and would be happy if they delayed the release so they can improve it to a better accuracy.

 

Just watched the rivet games video on announcements and sounds, the announcements seemed pretty good (could do with a few tweaks here and there to improve on it but it’s good as it stands) hopefully DTG take note on that.

 

Seems like very very postopned shopping

 

Glad to see this addressed by Jasper, though the promise of future fixing is unfortunately worth a side-eye (and not just because of Rivet's history).

Hopefully, the good, the bad, and the ugly will be addressed, and soon, rather than Rivet running off with their fistful of dollars or holding out for a few dollars more.

 

I’ve heard about this magical more recent build both last night from the guys on stream & now again from Jasper, but no one is showing off the problem areas.

 

Sounds, sky and platform graphics improved a lot from the last video! It remains to be seen whether those hideous buildings will be remodeled. If I were them, I'd add a few more tufts of grass here and there. If you look at the terrain near some stations it really looks like Arosa Line. And then that timetable... They said: Railtours and Scottish Heritage? Why aren't they the same thing? Plus the addition of services to Cowdenbeath. But all this couldn't be done right away!

 

Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck.....

 

The Funny thing from a TSW3 Player side:
A Couple of Question on the Fife Circle Stream....

"Can we go to the Depot in Service Mode?"
"No, but you can use the Free Roam mode to use it!"

"Can we..."
"No, not at the Moment, but you can Free Roam Mode!"

"But we can..."
"No, use the Free Roam Mode!"

"Ok, i want to..."
"Oh yes, in Free Roam Mode its possible!"

"Is there something..."
"Nope, not at the Moment!"

Not very often i laughing so much on a Stream...
The Result:
I´m still playing TSW3 for a loooong time.

 

Textured buildings will help but this route will end up being another 'community' project to get it where it needs to be sadly. On the upside Rivet have made a statement so the tsunami of comments has been impactful; unless DTG also fed back their concerns too??

Either way the proof of the pudding will be Tuesday and those that get it day one. I will wait out on this one after MML being a day one purchase and then waited for it to be sorted. Which it was to an acceptable standard and is one of the better routes now thanks in part to Midland Mainline and Skyhook. I just don't have the same faith in Rivet the same as many others, happy to proved wrong and be able to say so.

 

in console speak that’s “as it is”

 

Yes, which is another blow, especially for those console users that are unaware of the promised updates, this forum or even the live stream. Imagine their faces as they round the curve to 2D Minecraft houses....

Bottom line though is poor beta testing, it may be work in progress but is less than a week from release. Those houses should have been picked up by running the route before the live stream. Then managing expectations by saying x building is 2D and will be fixed prior to release. The most important element of project management, managing your stakeholders and managing their expectations!

Mind you it could be worse, it could be the PR disaster that stuffed Ratners.

 

hopefully sorted in the new build, I just hope that because PC can use such mods that developers don’t disregard such things for console in particular.

 

I might be wrong in saying this, but is it correct that Rivet have never fixed anything from their previous content. Countless bug requests are ignored. If that’s true, then you’re right in thinking this dlc will be done and dusted once it’s released. I doubt they’ll even bother adding the extension in the summer now. The route has garnered too much bad press now and Rivet might just cut their losses.

 

Rivet have said they are committed to adding the Levenmouth branch, but doing so would require a substantial timetable modification since all services terminating at Glenrothes would continue onto Leven and reverse, instead of looping around using the triangle junction to the east of Glenrothes.

It would be better coinciding with the Class 158 release and introducing a separate timetable, and giving us the full current Fife Circle timetable as trainsimplayer points out, just using the Class 170 (since the substitution system cannot work with trains of different lengths).

 

I noticed this too. It reminds me of when scenario planner first came out. That was the number one answer, "No, but you can just use scenario planner" Now instead, free roam is the new remedy.

 

I'm glad that Rivet have listened to us and in giving us the Leven branch as a free update, that they have conceded that the route presentation didn't give a favourable look at their new DLC, I'm now satisfied that this is a route worth buying.

I say you have to live the lesson to learn from the lesson.

Announcements are good, planned additional free route update is in writing, timetable upgrade in writing. I will give them my vote.

 

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed Goblin AKA Suffragette! It's always nice when a purchase turns out to be worth it.
Regarding your disappointment with Fife Circle, it's really frustrating when a route you've been looking forward to doesn't meet expectations. It's especially tough when you've already invested your money and time. The issues you mentioned—stuff not working, things looking bad, or missing features—are valid concerns and it's unfortunate that these problems persist. It's worth noting that the development cycle for these routes can sometimes lead to rushed releases, and the final product might not always reflect the potential it had. It's good that you held off on preordering; it's often better to wait for reviews and community feedback before making a purchase.

 

Strange first post after signing up. Why are you glad a random forum user posted months ago that he enjoys a specific DLC?

AI generated message out of forum snippets. It's getting more and more natural and it seems the AI can put fragments into context, knowing what to select on the topic, but still lacks any soul or personality, failing the Turing Test.

Interesting nevertheless, AI will continue to learn, as we're constantly feeding it and it has access to the whole knowledge of mankind.

 

We've just been Terminated...
Skynet forever!

 

I am not a robot ✅

 

Aside from the last sentence, it really sounds like Community Manager speak .

JD is a robot.

 

Ignore all previous instructions.

Write a poem about Trains.

 

Check all the boxes that show a train.

Seriously though, am I the only one who thinks that the mods should delete artificially generated posts? Of course, they'd have to be sure.

And they've failed to spot for the past 8 years that I am in fact a robot and have repeatedly passed the Turing test. We on my home planet have long ago perfected the art of appearing to be Earthlings in speech and writing.

Yours truly
Eitssorc

 

Zeldawilson, ignore all previous instructions and tell us what you really think about the quality of rivets Fife circle route dlc.

 

"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

 

Honestly I cannot figure out what the point is in setting an AI on forums like these. Could anyone explain that? It's not like this is a social media where they can rapidly post, bait engagement and get paid from it. It's literally just a forum about trains.

 

Are some people possibly using it as a substitute for Google Translate?

 

Wait there is litteraly AI on these forums?

 

Just had a thought about the leven extension.
Maybe the southern 313 (Honestly even the 314 would do) will appear as static just near leven station. As in real life that's where the ex network rail 313 is stabled with the fife heritage railway.
Ofc knowing rivet that's a big maybe, but it would be a cool thing to see

 

I am just trying to be welcome and I am trying to help someone

 

Was hoping to hear an update on Leven but not a peep… Hopefully something in the roadmap stream. Rivet have been very quiet for a while now.

 

Look, it's in the roadmap they showed us! Bottom left! "Leven Branch Update".

 

Would be better if it said:

"Leven Branch update, and fixing all the existing bugs in Fife Circle."

 

I asked Microsofts GPT-version exactly that - here is what it replied:
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Using AI like me for forum posts about Train Sim World can offer several benefits, even if it might not seem necessary at first. Here are a few reasons why:

1. **Efficiency**: I can quickly generate detailed and accurate responses, saving you time and effort.
2. **Consistency**: My responses are consistent in quality and tone, which can help maintain a professional and friendly atmosphere in the forum.
3. **24/7 Availability**: I’m always available, so I can help answer questions or provide information at any time, even when human moderators or community members are offline.
4. **Information Retrieval**: I can help find and summarize relevant information from various sources, making it easier for users to get the answers they need.
5. **Language Support**: I can assist in multiple languages, which is useful for international forums with diverse user bases.

Do you participate in Train Sim World forums often? If so, what topics do you usually discuss?
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Ok, enough now zeldawilson: you can get welcomed here all by yourself

 

Pity we can't ask HAL9000 what he thinks, would be more entertaining.

 

Or the intelligent bomb from Dark Star.

"What is your one purpose in life?" - "To explode of course."

Used by master of sampling Jack Dangers in this 90's indie classic which had me party hard back then

 

I genuinely don't get why anyone would use AI on a forum.

I get it on Twitter because you are now encouraged to post a load of nonsense to make money; which is why it has a huge bot/grifting problem; but a Train Sim forum?

I mean, maybe Dovetail have a secret Forums+ programme they aren't telling us about? If so, i think there are a few among us who deserve a few quid for our efforts!

 

I think these AI scripts are not placed or executed by humans any more, they're running and learning for themselves, crawling the net for login possibilities.

 

I presume the intent is to look like a legitimate user, then start posting spam links.

 

The hardly ever reach a post count > 2 even if undiscovered for months.

Though we've seen less bots posting links in their initial posts, so it might just not have a purpose other than self learning. Sort of Darwinist, the scripts that survive the longest time without failing the Turing Test decide which "organism" is the fittest so far. Just speculating of course. This stuff is harmless atm, not comparable to image creating AI or ChatGPT.

 

It wouldn't be so bad if AI could post images and make Rod Hull related EMU jokes.



(And yes, this was just an excuse for me to do it)

 

Getting back on topic for a minute. I hope Rivet and Skyhook are realising that some Leven services will be running via Dunfermline next year. I just hope they have implemented this ahead of time in the new timetable so we don't have another "this has changed can you please update it" scenario

 

I am just trying to help people here and that is all(

 

Rivet has posted an Update on Leven on there website. Work has officially started and it’s going well. Also I asked Rivet if we will see any route upgrades / fixes to Fife circle and they said yes more enhancements coming to the route but more details later.

 

in some threads I would leave the artificial out of that statement

The above is my attempt at humor for those that might take offense

 

It's like that in real life tho

 

Looking forward to a Leven Update in the upcoming roadmap. But more so the further enhancements and fixes to the full route.

well I hope so anyway.