This is what you get when you give a respectful question about quality on the Rivet Games Forum.... WTF.... LMAO.... They have no respect at all here... People they complaining in a respectful way are blocked with answers like "you are venting".....
Thanks for sharing this. Honestly the more I look the more i'm disappointed, Edin Airport, Runway 24/06 doesn't seem to be present, there's no leading lights to the runway which i'd say are pretty key details considering they're so close to the route. They haven't rendered any of the taxiways or the terminal, I wonder what this looks like at night, i imagine, horribly. There's no planes which I could kind of give them the benefit of the doubt? to me that's one of the most exciting things when you're passing under a landing 737 but maybe others don't care... Dunfermline looks fine, not great, could use some more love on the approach. Lots of empty terrain that makes the scenery looks like i'm driving through an early access. the scenario is basically empty which is disappointing. Rest of the route looks.. fine, nothing incredible. It's the same sub-par standard i've come to expect of Dovetail and friends. All in all, meh.
I'm speechless by this kind of treatment here.... And sure they have to look to their own company and choices they have make here and not insult the buyer here....
I wonder what deal DTG have with these third parties? I presume they don't have the power to stop substandard releases or surely they would have stepped in by now? This nonsense is damaging the whole TSW franchise - and the arrogance of some Rivet employees makes we want nothing from them again.
Indeed! DTG needs to be aware of this. I hope they will see this, im sure but this have to stop. The whole fault from the beginning is Rivet not the unhappy customers in this case. In my opion Rivet have to realize what they have done here and whats the next step to fix this whole mess.
They obviously don’t agree with “the customer is always right” motto. I get they’re frustrated that everyone is disappointed, but that’s not our problem. We expect a product to look its best, and FCL isn’t up to that standard, yet. Since they have said they are planning future support for this route it would make more sense for the Rivet to get on the consumers good side, even if they have to grovel a bit. Having a bad attitude towards negative feedback isn’t the smartest thing to do.
Exactly that! And fighting with customers is a big mistake and will make the situation why more worse. Its rule number 1... Ignore and be polite here.... But instead of feeling guilty about the situation they are mad at the community reaction thats very clear but check the mirror here RIVET
DTG Looking at the latest up-to-date preview streams. What a complete insult of a release. Totally unfinished rubbish. Entire bridges missing, The Queensferry Crossing is simply not there!, the Forth Railway Bridge sometimes not rendering until the train is on the actual bridge, ballast completely the wrong colour, an intercontinental airport with no traffic whatsover and the airport looking like a desert with not even landing strip lights, lineside fencing missing (by law all railway lines in the UK must be fenced off), other scenery and lighting a complete mess. A barren timetable with promises that it will be improved. It should have been released with a more realisitc timetable. No other types of loco's/ DMU's to be seen on the route, apart from AI services at Waverley. Even Dovetail 'ambassadors' trying to find any redeeming qualities, apart from the modeling of the miserable one DMU that comes with the DLC. If this was any other product Trading Standards would have a field day. That Dovetail have the afront and absolute cheek to release this dogs dinner of an unfinished beta release and ask over €30 for it is quite simply astonishing. Dovetail should hang their heads in shame at allowing this 3rd party disgrace to be associated with their name. I would advise Dovetail to drop the arrogance towards its customers regarding this release and go in to full damage control mode!
Sorry but check in the same mirror as Rivet please... What you written earlier is even worse with things like discrimination and that kind of therms.... For me thats not needed and you can be more careful with therms like that.
In my post, the following was included, "Dovetail should hang their heads in shame at allowing this 3rd party disgrace to be associated with their name.".
And if they did have any honour and integrity around the TSW brand there is still time for them to do so. However the fact there has been no announcement from DTG or Rivet of a deferral speaks volumes. They are seeing £££ signs from those who will just buy the route anyway (there have been a few on here testifying to that effect) or unaware of the issues and hope enough go beyond any refund window it will clear the projected sales target.
Unfortunately there are many people who will buy it. I was seeing comments on today's videos from people still enthusiastic about this route. Some people only realized what they were buying today...
It was the second one he did, Via Dunfermline. Not sure what time as I was just kind of watching it in the background, but it was in the second half. He just sort of reminded me of a doctor trying to persuade me into a not very nice procedure.
The sounds are fine, a little tweaking is all they need (even then not much) but they sound like they should, coming from someone who works with these trains on a daily basis.
In case you missed it, they even left out the runway of Edinburgh airport, although the line runs literally next to it. And except of the tower and some hangar buildings in the distance, there is nothing closely left to think of that this is an airport actually. I mean not even airplanes as static meshes on the airfield. Here is a side by side comparison of nearly the same angle. Google Earth/reality: Rivet Version: Look what DTG did in the London Commuter. They even provided movable airplanes flying over the trains including the appropriate sounds (4:06 in the video): (Edit: Need so say that I figured out an enhancement mod for Brighton Mainline was used in the video above to swap the airplane with a new Airbus A320, EasyJet livery and new audio, but still, DTG provided the basic blueprint and basic sound to make something like that work. Rivet could have so easily used that.)
So if the sounds are fine then they won’t need tweaking then will they. So if they need tweaking they are not fine. [EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]
No, but you got it wrong RobertSchulz. Planes won't land on runways in 2024... Just the lawn, like in 1914-1918.
ScotRail has cleaners who travel on trains between stations to collect litter... Perhaps you should focus on the DLC instead of nitpicking what someone does for a living...
DTG surely can't keep burying their heads in the sand here? Rivet are treating people with legitimate concerns shockingly and then charging £30 for a product even the ambassadors are struggling to find positives with? Because lets be totally honest here. Rivet will not engage in the feedback thread in the same manner as JT and SHG have. And I honestly can't see them putting time and effort into fixing the route like SHG have for MML?
Even for someone like me, who owns like 90% of TSW DLCs it is hard to justify purchasing this route, even without the very defensive stance Rivet is taking. When Just Trains is able to release something like Blackpool Branches as their first route, and DTG recently having 2 very decent routes, with the upcomming Semmering route looking promising as well, then something of this quality really doesn't make any sense to spent money on.
I don't want to compare EDN-GLA, however the 170 sounds were recorded on an authorised scotrail visit, then why not the class 385??
I have long thought this community could do with actually having some principles, there’s plenty of other games out there that really change has happened because of protests… lord above, this is lazy. please nobody support them by buying this until it’s fixed..
The class 385s are scotrails most used units they may not have a unit sitting available in a depot but may have class 170s available. To have trains in depots and a path to operate them on the railway costs money. And it won’t be cheap
Thank you for explaining that, makes sense, I just don't want to be overly critical, just needed more work doing to the route before release.
You are most welcome. Rail costs for paths are silly prices. This is why when stock is getting moved up and down the country you will see units and carriages transported by road on low loaders as it is cheaper.
Funny how a certain account has been inactive since they got told they were on quite a lot of ignore lists…
They are fine as in they'll do. Also, I would appreciate if you didn't try and tell me what I do for a living.
The Forth Bridge not rendering in that BritishAce video is the absolute cherry on the cake. lol. What a disaster. Anyone spending money on this trash deserves what they get. Because Rivet are not going to put in the time to fix this big of a mess. And there are still people pushing the BS that they’re going to do the Leven Branch later in the year. Oh and it will be free.
I do wonder if they are going to do the Leven branch if they will work on the Circle route and send it out as one large update. Just a thought.
DTG You will note the abscence of any interaction from Dovetail or Rivet on this thread. I would call that contempt for your own customer base. It looks lke they know they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to the miriade of criticism surrounding this sub-par beta buld masquerading as a final release.
This is what rivet excel in, Models the 170 looks visually stunning the forth bridge is incredible. Have they spent to much time on them and ran out on the others possibly ??
I think 99.999% of this forums members have more constructive things to do than to trawl through someones post history...
Another car crash product. Probably time for someone at DTG or Focus to either pull the plug on the partnership or threaten to do so unless quality is improved.
Doubt it, they'll have different people/teams for different tasks, the people making the 170 wouldn't be making the route itself.
Ah was not aware of that i just thought they were a small team so would have all done work as like one large team.
From what I've gathered from watching a few of the ambassadors previews today, I'm quite hesitant about purchasing the route now. A lovely route that could have had a lot of potential, but seeing so many silly mistakes it's honestly quite frustrating. There's no off-map destinations on the on-board announcements, which like E-G I assume are also missing from the departure boards as well. The announcements themselves begin with a chime which is normally only used with platform announcements (it should be a soft "bong" sound without such a lengthy delay between the chime and the actual announcement). The timetable feels bare minimum and the general ambience of the route is too quiet and lifeless. For some reason they included trams parked in the tram depot at Edinburgh Gateway (which you can barely see) but did nothing to populate Haymarket depot. Edinburgh airport is desolate, at least having the plane fly overhead like at Gatwick would be a welcome addition. Forth bridge looks great but the surrounding scenery is quite bare. Edinburgh Waverley looks too empty as well, they could at least included some static stock at a few of the platforms if adding them as AI to the timetable is too costly. I fear if they add the Leven branch it would again be the bare minimum especially as they have stated they'll do it for free. It may be better as a paid expansion together with the Class 158, with a new timetable for the different service pattern the extension will introduce.
Wow. how is the airport, or even simply the runway, not modelled here? in the stream Rivet said they were going to include planes landing (which is possible in game as we've seen it on London Commuter at Gatwick), but they said it affected performance too much on Fife Circle Now if they say it affects performance too much so it can't be included (which is a real shame) i was happy to accept that.. but now seeing they haven't even modelled any of it, how could they have even attempted to include landing planes (like they said they trialed) if they didn't even model a simple runway? having planes land overhead here would have been such an immersive feature, just as in London Commuter. I can accept it maybe can't be included for performance reasons if that is actually true, but to have not bothered to even model it and leave it as one big empty green space, to me, sums up everything already said about this route. and as i've said countless other times the timetable here is not just poor, but totally unacceptable (97 overall services, but in reality close to 80 when you take out the 2 minute shunt services - so approx 80 services across the whole route in a whole 24 hour window - with 0 ecs moves to haymarket depot too) i cannot tell you how much i wanted this route when it was announced.. and i would never expect any route produced to be perfect.. but wow i genuinely cannot believe this is what is being offered here. and reading some of the comments from rivet replying to other members, the tone of those replies speaks absolute volumes on the whole thing to me
