I wished dovetail would tell Rivet they will not given them a licence to release any further content until this is patched to an acceptable level. Maybe dovetail could help as the last couple of routes have been good. After watching some of today's streams it is just going to be a soulless route and not very enjoyable. This should be one of "the" routes to show off the game. I am looking forward to seeing what the reviews on steam say. Never mind though when tsw 5 gets released the reviews will reset
Also lets not forget the iconic control tower at Edinburgh airport which you would see from the train when passing along.
Even on Instagram, Rivet acts snooty and pretends to be clueless. I really can't believe this. Incredible: No, Rivet won't get another cent from me.
Everyone moaning as per usual. Show some support for the company that provides you with endless entertainment. Rivet will deliver and make the Fife be the best route it can.
I see someone hasn't seen the last 30 or so pages, or even one of the other numerous Fife Circle threads. Or just a troll. Hard to tell.
People have a right to moan and voice opinions. Just like you have the right to praise if you deem fit. People complaining is not always a bad thing it can be constructive criticism to help developers push for fixes etc etc.
i usually try and be positive about route releases, and with the exception of MML on release, i enjoy all the uk modern-era routes.. and in fairness to Skyhook they did go and fix a lot of the critical issues with MML and even that is a route i can now enjoy. i'm sorry the Fife Circle in it's current offering is way, way below anything that should be accepted here.. and the fact Rivet are choosing to ignore what seems like a significant amount of players and instead acting incredibly defensively is frankly staggering. i want so much for this route to be great, but based on what we have seen and what is on offer (i mean the timetable alone, the complete lack of Edinburgh Airport) is not good enough. I think we as players are within our rights to state that, and the responses from Rivet really do speak volumes to their attitude. JT showed how is can be done with Blackpool. DTG have shown how it can be done with both ECML and Goblin (as someone who lives on the ECML stretch that DTG modelled, they practically nailed that route) are we really being unreasonable and asking too much by questioning what is on offer from Rivet? Because to me they are making us feel that we are indeed being unreasonable, when in reality what we are being offered is really below par.. and nobody is more dissapointed in the fact it is below par than me, i want Rivet to succeed here, but sadly they aren't
and how anyone at Rivet can defend that is beyond me, it is literally there for everyone to see (or not there to see in this case)
And that is your choice. Just like those here over the last countless pages and threads here have the same choice to not buy it and voice an opinion. Have you even watched any of the streams from today that ambassadors are showing off the route. Rivet have tried no one can deny them of that but sadly it seems it has been to much of a task for them to complete this to the high standards we are used to now in the sim.
I were willing to support Rivet and although I had my reservations leading up to the stream I tried to keep somewhat positive, however sadly, once again Rivet have let us down, as they did with WCL and EDN and after seeing the streams today I have decided that until they make significant improvements I will not be purchasing this route. Sadly on release it will not be the best route it can be as there are just too many things not right and which may or may not be fixed. I am not saying the whole route is terrible and actually quite deeply detailed my thoughts there earlier in the thread, but after watching the streams until these 'promises' are followed through on I will have to hold back buying.
I have just watched British Ace's video and the route appears a bit better than it did in the preview stream. The close lineside seems nicely modelled as do the stations. There are some very nice stretches along the coast and of course the Forth Bridge. The 170 is very nice and although I don't think the sounds are perfect they aren't awful. There is some very poor distant scenery however, and even some closer scenery where the fields are empty and characterless. Edinburgh Airport looks very poorly represented. The distant Forth Bridge, I don't know what its real name is, only had its pillars visible from the train which isn't great. I didn't sit through the video thinking this is awful to be honest. However I think I will wait and see what developments happen with the timetable as it is very sparse. I will almost certainly purchase the route at some point probably with a timetable upgrade and/or the class 158 releasing, I think it will be a nice route to drive with more traffic. Whilst it definitely feels like it was rushed out of the door I don't think it is all bad and has many good points as well as bad.
I want to ask a question here. What happened with the Edinburgh-Glasgow route? Was it improved to a standard we were eventually satisfied with, or is it still lacklustre compared to other UK routes? I know we had a highly textured fly that became a meme for a while, but did the rest of the route improve? It may be that testers did not report some of the things being reported here, or they didn't have time to get to everything mentioned, but if E-G did not get any substantial improvement, I would say users have a right to be concerned.
The thing that really annoys me with that route is the sounds if you have that interconnecting door panel open the wind rush is just unbearable and you need to close the door to silence it.
Oh boy... Here we go again!! Can't we just go one day without the forums turning into an absolute battlefield?? The past couple of days have been nothing but arguments, threats, and personal attacks. None of which is justifed. I get everyone is upset over Fife Circle and I am too, but the arguments and hostility towards each other isn't (I'm guilty of this as well yes), but at the end of the day it is what it is.
If Rivet has absolutley no idea why the community reacts like now, they are either totally blind or just ignorant. Either way i dont see any hope after this. Again the customers have to chew the facts for Rivet and put it in their mouth? Usually when a dev announces a dlc im excited, but here i think please not a cl50, not a cl.90. When something has proved, no dev will spend time to replace a botched unit. Or who is gonna develop a solid br 204? And half arsed timetable is a noGo in TSW, but we had that already...
Something I noticed from The British Ace video. Dalgety Bay heading towards Markinch, a 6-7 gap between trains?! In real life there’s 2 trains an hour. If that doesn’t scream timetable issues, I don’t know what does. I will say, watching some of the ambassadors videos have swayed me more towards getting it than not.
This may be a case where the route was not busy enough to justify an accurate timetable, so they had to create some additional services and patterns to make it more viable for replayability purposes.
The route is busy IRL with stopping and passing services. I do wonder if the 170s timetable has been "scalled back" to allow for the 158 services to be added.
The route is more than busy enough! There are plenty of missing services (which will be addressed in an update) But Dalgety Bay just seems to have been forgotten about!
Yup, that is definitely busy enough. I always find it interesting to compare the IRL timetable to the game timetable.
I will say, watching some of the ambassadors videos have swayed me more towards getting it than not.[/QUOTE] Was thinking the same,but if that instagram post from rivet/jasper is real then they just lost a sale.terrible. Attitude from a company trying to sell you something.
It was not. Rivet promised to get 385 sounds. They lied. The route is in the same state it was on release. Which is why I’m so surprised people are buying Rivet’s BS about fixing this route.
Why should I fake that? Of course it is possible that comments will be deleted. https://www.instagram.com/p/C40wviDsKSh/?igsh=MTRtOWhlcTJuNTZ5OQ==
Apart from the scenery and a few other nip picks, all that will be fixed soon. Don’t let people put you off buying it. I’m picking it up tomorrow and I can’t wait to drive past my home town.
. wasn't claiming you faked it.guess what i was trying to say was i cant believe the attitude of rivet/jasper.
So them working on the upcoming expansion for the route is a lie too? They seems committed to improving the route, give them a chance.
Adding more to it isn’t improving the problems, if anything it’s compounding them. We don’t need more areas full of 2D grass tiles.
Rivet do improve their content. Just very slowly. The 38 stock audio bug got fixed... it just took 2 years. . EDN got fixes too, it just broke more than it fixed.
Endless entertainment? More like constantly releasing poor quality add-ons with unrealistic timetables, poor sounds or scenery. Rivet Games are not a charity and nobody is obligated to support a company that is asking $40 for a route that clearly has scenery problems, an unrealistic timetable and sounds that still aren't great. People providing criticism aren't just moaning for the sake of doing so. Many people were looking forward to this route but as usual Rivet made a product that has so many issues and people are pointing that out. The criticisms are not unjustified. Rivet hardly go back and improve previous content. The Class 150 and WCL didn't get improvements. The Class 385 still hasn't gotten sound improvements and seems to have been abandoned after Rivet said a year ago that they would get sounds so it's not difficult to understand why many in the community do not trust Rivet Games
And it's more than a little odd on the eve of release we suddenly get an influx of new forum members trying to talk it up...
Well giving my 2 cents to it. I only bought the Bernina Line from them until now and that was a really nice dlc. Of course I read all those things now with there lack of support for older dlc´s but I will still give them a chance with this one. Who knows maybe i shot myself in the foot there but so be it.
Give them a chance?! They've had several chances to release quality content and fix issues with stuff they've released and they haven't bothered. They've had enough chances...
To be fair to Rivet, they’re giving this DLC away for free to its ‘Ambassadors’ and they can’t come up with much more praise than “it’s not awful”. They’re clearly in need of another source of advertisement.
Probably people from Rivet trying to big up their route instead of coming clean and actually making some kind of effort to acknowledge the issues people have reported.
They have not confirmed they are working on an extension. Have you just setup an account today to push Rivet talking points?
I mean, if people want to buy the route, then that is fine of course. But It's funny that there are still some trying to dismiss valid criticisms when it is blatantly obvious why people have many complaints about the route. Rivet have had enough chances to make consistent good quality routes but they have dropped the ball too many times.
I don’t get why it’s an issue for people to come on here and critique products? It’s the only way things improve, sure if you are happy with a substandard route, with literal msts esque scenery and an arid timetable that’s fine for you, but rivet cannot sit here and demand 30 pounds for that absolute dumpster fire of a route, FCL has been a very highly requested route and it just feels like a slap in the face that rivet have been allowed to release whatever that route is. It’s just horrible, and you have people here still defending the route after some of the good things DTG have given us recently. This route doesn’t deserve its hefty price tag, and it’s sad, because we will never get the best version of this very very nice route. Sorry if I have standards for my routes, but I expect the best from a route I’m spending 30 quid for. EDIT: what ticks me off more is the response from rivet, no form of accountability and literally treating loyal customers, who rivet have disappointed multiple times in the past like trash because we want them to fix the route. I’m tired of all these broken promises from rivet and I believe DTG need to intervene as they’ve been doing this too much. At least skyhook came back, took consumer feedback and listened, but with rivet we are still waiting on WCL to be somewhat good in 2024. Enough really is enough and I want better from rivet. We are paying 30 quid for these routes they are not free
So Rivet's marketing strategy is to attack customers who review their product and then sign up lots of false accounts on DTG forums to praise their own route? That alone should get them banned from producing any more TSW third party content.
