Bug. And doesn't happen with the 385s. Did you notice the missing door buttons? Those on the right side of the cabin.
This variant does exist and is used on the Fife Line. You must use the button next to the right cab door. Probably a DOO safety thing... manual doesn't say anything about that. Source: ScotRail / X
People buying this ..... now ? How sad..... With some pressure on Rivet this could have become maybe a solid route (with massive updates of course) Cannot understand how any of this is supportable. Sadly that means this Route will stay were it is. Im lucky i turned my back for rivet products (after the insults of WCL and the DB br 204) and this route is the best example why all of us should actually.
Has anyone from Rivet said why they just skipped out some of the base Scotrail services? Also wouldnt the announcements be muffled in the cab?
I'm wondering if some people bought it just for the new train. I think we are heading for if the train moves and looks good that's acceptable from Rivet. The sales obviously still happen despite the noise on here.
DadRail stated in his video review such sounds are normally muffled by the bulkhead. However he went to say, and I agree, that if you are going to have announcements make them audible to the player for entertainment purposes. Same as I would much rather have louder traction noise in the cab, or in the case of loco's the external thrash playing.
I agree we should be able to hear the announcements as the driver. We all want announcements in the game, but there is no real point if we can’t hear them whilst driving which we’ll be doing 99.9% of the time.
A couple of things to note... It seems that this has got a little better in recent routes, but we're still getting that horrible flash when you enter tunnels (and sometimes a less intense version at the exit). I really wish this could be resolved, but from what I heard on a stream, it seems to fix this requires light baking the tunnels again, which takes a lot of time. Frustrated at seeing bushes/trees in the direct line of the cab. I can't understand why these aren't moved back from the track, as surely these are spotted in testing? Unlike the tunnel light baking, this wouldn't take very long to fix. There are at least two I've experienced on Fife Circle, and there's one very annoying one on the approach to Oldenburg in the Bremen Oldenburg route.
I know we are in Scotland but why does the 170 sound like there's a bagpipe stuck in the engine when you get to around 85mph plus? This really needs fixing, it's quite nasty. Warning! Do not play at full volume. https://gyazo.com/bbbd4665e4590346ba1d11c4112585ee
Is that what sounded like a hornet's nest in the DadRail clip? I know some people have said they like the sounds but to me they really don't sound anything like the ones I've travelled on or played in TSC.
If everybody just stood as one and refused to buy this route we could force them out of business. Just like how we stopped DTG from working on steam by refusing to buy after one route. If we stick together we can do wonderful things.
Oh, stop it before somebody doesn’t see you tongue is wedged firmly in your check….. ooops, too late!
Lots of you may already be aware of this but if you're a bit impatient for the 158 update you can get a 158 livery from creators club and it will attach to the 170 in freeroam or if you jut add one on on the back. I did this on console(ps5) I'm unaware if this is the case with other consoles or even pc but it makes for pretty amazing photomode shots!
Is it just me or is there FAR too many trees in the TSW version of Fife circle. I watched a playthrough of the TSC version last night and it just looks so much tidier. In TSW It hides a lot of the scenery in Fife side of the route which is a shame. It’s very prominent as your crossing the railway bridge into North Queensferry. Looks like a big jungle and it shouldn’t… The thing is at least in the TSC version you actually sort of feel that you are in Inverkeithing, Dunfermline etc but that feeling is absent in TSW. I really do hope the scenery gets a good fix. It’s crying for it. I’ll try a winter playthrough and see if that helps…
We were all just waiting for fixes to the core steam simulation, meanwhile they dropped another route with no improvement and they blamed low sales, it's like that meme with putting a stick into a wheel of your own bike.
For those interested, during 2G01 service it's possible to encounter an Azuma in the opposite direction to yours, leaving Waverley towards Haymarket. At 07:47.
Well I managed to rid of that noise at my end. Theres some files in there called "railsinging" which cause it. I've modded them away and replaced them with normal running sounds with a little bit of wind whoosh noise. If that's classed as singing in Scotland, I'll stay holidaying in Wales!
Took a ride down the Leven branch in free roam and all the track is laid and terrain in place along with some place holders for the 2 stations and major bridges over the route. No scenery at all beyond the first 100 metres or so but good to see it’s all in place for the update. Interestingly there’s a load of track laid for what I assume must be the Fife Heritage Railway adjacent to the branch down at the Leven end.
That's right, the set of tracks left of Leven station represents yard of the Fife Heritage Railway. Maybe they could start the two Black Jubilee services from there. Instead, the Flying Scotsman came from Waverley. It would be nice to leave the depot, get to the junction on the Leven branch, and go back to the station.
Even though i think the 170 is the strong point, its not without flaws. Like mentioned it seems that sounds above 80-85mph are broken. Have seen that in Dad Rails stream aswell. The Route Concept (with full circle and many possibilities for services) is something i found really interesting aswell but its not like rivet made full advantage out of this possibility. Even with their announced updates this wont be enough. If i would buy this route today, i only would have the 170 to use there as i dont own Edinburgh-Glascow. Seems that they also planning with the 158 from skyhook, so i have to purchase that again (dont know of pricing on this was confirmed in the meantime) but im probably looking at beyond 45 Euros (?) to get at least some good experience on this. There is simply NO WAY this pricing is justified. The scenery at places is really lacklustre. Overall the whole "world" around fcl feels utter liveless. Not just because the Airport at Edinburgh is missing, but there is just not enough going on beside the track. Theres not litter, no clutter around like old sleepers or rails. Some ground textures next to stations looked awful. Overall it seems that a lot of places haven't been finished. Something that really grind my gears personally is the track and ballast texture. Thats more of a general "problem" in a lot of routes but even though i feel TSW routes got better in that regard (take DRA or the latest release of Goblin) that this should be a thing of the past. I know it sounds like a little detail but for me its such important, in the end thats the stuff you will look at all of the time. Speaking about things from the past: I've seen that at some stations you are held at a red signal that will only change if you are closing your passenger doors ...... This is TSW2 Stuff and should be long abandoned at this point. I dont even understand how this could have been missed. Well i fear it was just ignored. There was a stop that when you opened your doors, passengers from the opposite track wanted to board your train..... In doing so they were crossing the tracks to get to your train... Again, how can something that severe been overlooked? Its just another example of doing the very least to get aime revenue. This Route was such highly requested and it seems that rivet knew that and hoped the place sells itself. That this brings responsibility (especially after a pretty decent Bernina) should have been clear, but i feel rivet just wasn't really aware of it. After Bernina the expectations also were very high. After my experience with rivet products, im highly doubtful that those points (and perhaps many more) will ever get fixed. They will bring some more timetable services (which they might had already planned but couldn't because the release was rushed) and thats it. There wont be any major fixing and improving. They never did. Failed to deliver. I feel really sorry for the Scottish railfans.
done some runs on both Dunfermline direction and Markinch stuff... pretty nice ... long enough, peaceful... and I always enjoy the moments when you do a run, and then the service arrives at a junction and goes this or that direction - loving this lets say on East Coastway, LIRR, Dresden Riesa, London Commuter and others... like, slowing down, then those mmm switch joint sounds as the train goes over, and then back to speed <3 I know the route aint perfect, and I hope the complaints are heard, but for me it works for me Luzern Sursee is the epitome of disaster - route was decent enough, train excellent, but the ETCS being sh.tty broke its spine for me
The point was that some people think that if we stop buying then things will improve but it will not work that way. Plenty of people gleefully tell us all that they will never buy Rivet content and like to urge others to do the same. It is actually the people who do buy the content who have the biggest positive effect. More income equals bigger development budgets. It was a poor show but I think the lower sales of that second route was what put the nails in the lid and buried steam. But there’s a thread for discussing that so I’ll say no more here. I just think that sometimes the thought that others have about the way to improve TSW do actually harm it. I think that healthier sales will improve things with Rivet as they are less likely to invest more if the negative attitude of the community continues. I may be wrong.
I'm waiting to see what all these beautiful people will say when union workshop releases the first route in Japan. I have a feeling it’s going to be epic! Otherwise, personally I think that wanting to destroy a company to satisfy your madness for everything perfect is completely crazy. If Rivet goes bankrupt as some seem to want, the other third-party publishers will no longer come for fear of being treated in the same way. I still think that there is a lot of toxicity here, which is a shame because nothing will move forward with this kind of attitude. If they work with a lump in their stomach they will never do anything good. It is known that we work better in a relaxed space..... Rivet should do like DTG, ignore the comments and continue to sell what they want, good or bad. There are many more people who have bought this DLC, even those who here say the opposite, I am more than sure. The rage is due to the group effect but apart from that, the CB has heated up well... For this dlc is neither good nor bad, it is as usual average. In terms of decor, it's generally good, but when it comes to Ai trains and empty depots then yes, that's clearly not enough. I just bought the Gossip on sale, and even at that price I got a refund. That's a very bad road of 20 km and nothing but wind.... Yes, it's bad from bad. For the rivet route I still think that you are overdoing certain aspects. In the end what will matter is that those who bought it are happy with what they bought. For all others, you can simply get a refund. PS: when I buy a bad DLC I get a refund, I don't cry scandal, you don't have to buy everything and they don't have to please you 100%.
So you are actually assuming that we just ignore those severely problems and just buy broken content in the hope that the developers earn enough money so they can finally start doing decent work ? Sure thats not what you wanted to say. Anyway, everyone is free to purchase whatever he or her wants. Clear. But if i just buy this route, why should rivet feel like they have to change practice. Route had got development time x and brought in revenue y....done next one. The only way things will improve is when the developer realising that their products aren't purchased in the numbers they targeting = not enough revenue comes in. Thats when they have to act. Purchasing or not is really the only affective voice i have. When buying, im confirming their practices. When not buying, im clearly saying its not good enough (for whatever reason). Im not in the opinion that rivet has to go down, but im also in the honest opinion that we all could easily live without them and TSW would still exist (or even would be better off because disasters like this would have happend in the first place). Im asking myself how Fife Circle could have looked if made by another studio or even DTG themselves.... I think we would be in a better place with this.
I’m only really having an issue with people who claim that it’s other people who do buy that are keeping the quality low and those who urge other people not to buy, as I don’t think that would improve things. Normal market forces are also at play so people will make their own mind up. There’s a new promotional video for TSW floating around the forum where some people’s only take on it is that it is full of lies. It’s clearly aimed at getting more people to get into train simulation with TSW and if there are more people buying content then that will improve things. I’ve been trying to get a friend of mine to buy TSW but he says he hasn’t got time to play games. There does seem to be a thing here on the forum where people actively try to dissuade people from buying anything from Rivet and I can guarantee that won’t improve things. Giving feedback will but it can only work hand in hand with keeping them developing for TSW.
As well as the Cornish people for their atrocious WCL!!! If Rivet did produce that excellent design of the Forth Bridge. There is no reason whatsoever why they cannot “strive for perfection” with their previous work. It’s about time they showed it and correct their abysmal efforts from the past.
My personal stance is now quite firmly not buy anything from Rivet. Until they can show they listen to the community and improve things to a higher level. Especially after everyones feedback was met with rather aggressive comments from the Rivet team. I personally just dont think they can be trusted with my money. I've heard too many empty promises from them about improving and supporting their content at this point. I just never seem to get the impression they truly care about their products or the feedback given about them. As I say though that is my personal opinion.
Absolutely! I was quite staggered to see those replies (yes there were some answers coming from Rivet, not only one) where they got quite salty. Absolute no go going on a personal level if you are acting under the cover of a developer. Their record of fixing thing (or rather not) is reason alone to not support them, some of their answers regarding feedback from this community is insulting (to say it kindly).
Bug testers are a actual thing in game development, some people's only job's to do bug and game design testing, Not to mention many developers will often bring in their friends and family to come in and test their games. It's not even limited to indies, even big companies like Valve have at times done so. Professionals can be very helpful, but the perspectives of fresh minds who aren't nessicarily savvy to video game development are too. Not to mention friends and family are usually willing to work for a lot cheaper than the pros do. At any rate the idea that paying customers should need to be pointing out things like "The grey Minecraft building needs improvement" is ridiculous.
I brought this on day of release ( 26th March 2024 PS5 version) Dramatic improvement on the Train simulator version with more content to come in the near future its a must buy Well-done Rivet Games 10/10
The idea that if we just buy stuff, it will lead to improved products isn't guaranteed. So many triple a studios have proved that even if a product has sold well, the next product will release with issues or cancelations. EA is first to come to mind. Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order sold well but Star Wars Jedi Survivor released with many issues and despite EA making a profit on those games, they canceled an Star Wars Game that was in the works. F1 2021 sold well but F1 22 went down as one of the worst F1 games ever released because of the issues that plagued that game. F1 23 sales went down because most of the game was pretty much the same as F1 22. I can go on and on So the idea that more money that devs get will lead to better products isn't guaranteed and often is false. If a business were to close because consumers didn't want to buy poor products, then that is the fault of the business and not the customer
Well when you are calling TSW the Ultimate Train Simulation, I don't blame people for saying that it isn't true. Inaccurate scenery, sounds and physics despite claiming that this is a immersive and highly detailed rail simulation featuring authentic routes and trains from around the world doesn't make tsw the Ultimate Train Simulation
Hell again? The community told Rivet on every single release about this beeing wrong. On some routes they even fixed it... This is just beyond..., a slap into the face of every TSW fan.
Why would Rivet invest greater income into higher quality rather than keeping it as profit or investing it in greater quantity if quality doesn't affect sales? I'm sorry, how do you think market forces work?
Ok I admit it. I crossed the picket lines and bought it because I really wanted the 170 and noone else is going to do it. I'll probably use it more on Birmingham Cross City, Midland Mainline, ECML and the Southern routes. I feel a bit dirty but this is the train I catch every day... I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat. The route itself is TSW2020 - very disappointing but not so bad that it's unplayable. I'm just angry Rivet didn't make more effort on an iconic route. I just hope they will have some pride in their work and come up with fixes.
I don't think like you at all. The game will evolve whether you buy or not and it is not by destroying a company that it will evolve in the right direction. I'm waiting for union workshop because I like Japanese roads. I didn't say I was going to destroy uninon workshop!!!
And I didn’t say we should bring Rivet to their knees, it’s just some throwaway comment that people like yourself are using as leverage to try and shut down criticism. The only way rivet are collapsing is due to themselves over time producing poor work that everyone will eventually give up on.
I find this attacking people just because they bought the route all a bit distasteful, the saying play the ball not the man comes to mind.
The funny thing is that I personally also have an issue with the people who complain about the quality deficiences and buy the route still. That we even have in common. The important difference between both of our arguments is the perspective. While you speak about hypocrisy in terms of that people complain about the quality here and thereafter buy the route nonetheless, my point of view lies on the opposite order. People that buy the route but still complaining about that quality standards did not met and Rivet really should improve things. In another thread there was a person saying that people should vote with their wallets to improve quality. One sentence later the exact same person said "I bought Fife Circle. I can afford it". For me as well as you, both of these arguments do not match with each other. Either I'm as okay with the quality of the route that I buy it and keep it or I do not buy the route or buy the route and then refund, because it does not meet personal quality standards. Of course, if you purchase a product, you still can expose your opinion and raise critic about it, however you made a clear statement that the product is good for you as it is and that it serves its purpose. Otherwise you had refunded it once you could. In my opinion, every particular individual is free to choose a side in this debate, but you should not be a representative for both of them. Because this indeed is hypocrisy. Well, let me ask you: What else do you think keeps the quality low then in your opinion? If people going to always buy products in their current faulty state, what makes the company/developer think you have a problem with it? In fact, with your purchase you sent this message to the company: "I'm fine with your product. It complies to my own quality standards. I like it and it proofs quality for me because otherwise I had refunded it." Not even mentioning the impact to the latter message when you A. preorder or B. buy in the first week after release and no update happened so far. So how do you think a purchase gives the developer the signal to improve their products if you as one costumer of it obviously seem to be okay with it? That's what I don't understand about your on-going argument, that a purchase would provide the opportunity to improve a product from the developer side. Your argumentation mainly boils down to the meaning to invest in the developer, so that they can maintain and enhance the product. Although I agree that an income must be made that the business keep on running and keep things on developement, however let's take a closer look at the company/developer in question, Rivet Games. This is not their first project being somebody new coming into the franchise as like a community creator who turned into a third party dev. They are selling products for TSW/TSC for years and those products still provide an active income. They made a stable business out of it, that they even consist of about 20 employees up to date. They are as financial well situated that they can employ community managers venting out on costumers, so they should have a budget available to go into the developement instead. Take a look at this community creator [source] for example, who in comparison to them, has: - No fundraising as a financial support to help developement. - No active income from past products. - No past income from past products. - No reputation (or fans) - people that buy products from him regardless of what it actually is and what it for a quality has. and he still provides quality in an impossible time frame. He created this route in 7 weeks the PC Editor was out. Now tell me how a company, who obviously has way more financial support and is in the business for years can't be treated and classified in the same way developing and maintaing their commercial products as equal? Of course market forces do exist. But I don't understand why you use this as an argument for your argumentation. There is a difference between the interest or demand in a product (which clearly is there for Fife Circle - otherwise we wouldn't complain here about it) and the actual quality of it, which again influences back the demand of it. A product of clear evidence to have a lack of quality has the effect on the market in decreased interest/demand to acquire it. And independent upon the supplier would be willing to improve their products, reputation damage is already done to the brand. This exactly is what has happened and happening here I guess with Rivet Games. People realize that while they can deliver a product, it lacks of quality, and this factor back influences the demand. So in the end, yes of course you need to take into account all factors which influence the market forces, but I think I could rather use the argument of market forces for my argumentation than for yours.
That is a very optimistic way of looking at it. Especially when we know the community has grown since the days of the first TSW releases, but the quality went down. Maybe it's not "oh there's more money coming in, we can do more now" but rather "oh there's more money coming in, clearly we're cutting corners correctly".
