Please note - I am going off the VARIANT of unit/loco we have in the game. For example, the 158 is an old unit but we have a more modern variant so I consider it a modern unit. Hello! I've done this thread simply to point out just how many (modern) UK EMUs we have compared to all other forms of UK rolling stock. This thread is not personally attacking anyone so please don't get offended. (I feel as though I have to specify that on these forums based on other threads now) Here's a little list of our current UK fleet: Modern EMUs: 801, 710, 700, 484, 483, 465, 395, 387, 385, 380, 377 (X2), 375, 323 (X2), 314, and the 313. Overall - 15 different modern EMUs. (Not including duplicates) Old EMUs: 483, 1972 LU stock and the 1938 LU stock. Overall - 3 different old EMUs. Old electric locos: none. Old DMUs: 101, 150 and the 142. Overall - 3 different old DMUs. Old diesel locos/shunters: 08 (X4), 09, 20, 31, 33, 37 (X3), 40, 45, 47 (X3), and the 52 (X2). Overall - 10 old diesel locos/shunters. (not including duplicates) Modern DMUs: 158 (X2), 166, and the 170. Overall - 3 different old DMUs. (Not including duplicates) Modern diesel locos: 66, and the 43 (X2). Overall - 2 modern diesel locos. (Not including duplicates) Steam: LMS Jubilee (X2), 8F, and the 4F. *I may have missed one or two Overall: 3 steam locos. (Not including duplicates) • My point is - we clearly need more DMUs (both old and new), definitely more modern diesel locos, some more old EMUs, and definitely some electric locos (both old and new). *Please correct me if I've missed any locos/units out in these lists.*
One problem - there are no "modern" electric UK locomotives. The 88 is bi-mode, and the 90 is stretching the definition of modern. Anything else electric loco wise is going to be "old" and thus will need an "old" route to exist on in the first place, which isn't likely to happen
I wouldn’t class the 483 as a modern EMU. Here we open the can of worms as to what exact date we have the cutoff between modern and old and if any kind of refit counts. Edit - there’s no mention of steam traction either, which should definitely be included in this.
Well I only put it as a modern EMU as it isn't it's original, older variant.. the one we have I'm pretty sure is a modified one for the IOW... I've gone and put the 483 in the "old EMU" list as well as the "modern EMU" list now anyway. Edit - I actually forgot about steam, I'll go and add that now too. I didn't come very prepared did I!
Obviously having all would be great but at the moment the modern UK routes are heavily EMU dominated.. and as far as I know no older UK routes are in development
I think there’s also the issue when it comes to the need/want for a mix against a balance of not having a lot of overly empty routes at once to maintain that balance early on due to lack of appropriate stock.
Yeah, it seems as though the Scottish routes may be getting that balance at the moment with the 380 potentially coming to the game and the 158 coming soon too
Tell you what, I kinda like all these UK DMU’s. I don’t know if we have many of these on my side of the pond. Matter of fact the first time in my life I saw a DMU was in this game; I loaded up a 166 service thinking it was basically a British M7 push pull electric and lo and behold that mf was LOUD and diesel. That thing sounded mean, I was like this is right up my alley, I’m an F40PH guy I like loud and diesel. So more of that please. Although tbh I’m a little intrigued by some of the really old EMU stuff from over there. Would like to see one on a blackpool era route. I had always thought catenaries were a real recent modern sort of thing (lol) meanwhile you guys have had that for some years now lol
SEHS also got it aswell notably, they needed that focus to not be empty and be known for what they are, plenty of routes could do with that focus but it does rather necessarily remove the mix that can be done.
What’s a 380? Is it a DMU? asking for the Americans in the room haha edit: lol never mind it’s the emu desiro everyone’s talking about
Atherian has already beaten me to it, but as he said it's an EMU and as you said - it's the Desiro everyone is talking about.
The 158 is also an old DMU, they were first built 1987. The 166 was first built in 1991 so I would say this also qualifies. 314s and 313s are old EMUs (first built in the 80s) as is the 323 (first built 1992). I would probably also say the 377 (first built 2001) and 375 (first built 1999) are old EMUs. The 43 is an old diesel loco (first built in 1975). Class 66 technically is as the oldest examples were built in 1998. They are all still used today (313s and 314s are now retired though and the 43 is nearly there), but going by build date (of the first examples) they would be classed as old.
Clearly the definition of ‘old’ will vary from person to person. My definition would be pretty similar to that used by trainguy#6029. I also think it’s reasonable to take into account the version of a loco/unit included in the game. For example, the 43s we have are both modern re-engined versions. If we had a Valenta powered HST in blue/grey I’d probably consider that ‘old’.
Yes “old” is very much open to interpretation. By any stretch of the imagination, the original Pacer and Sprinter fleets are actually quite ancient now being nearly 40 years old in some cases. Yet to those of us who came up through the BR classic blue era they will forever be the modern trains that killed off secondary route loco haulage and what are now known as heritage DMU’s and EMU’s. So as a rule of thumb I would define old as anything between the start of modernisation in the late 50’s and the mid 80’s. Which is what I voted for!
I can agree it varies and is open to interpretation. In a slight contradiction to what I've said, I actually consider them 'modern' in the sense they're still widely used. But as I said, I was going by build date. Never thought of it that way.
I would just like some things different to Modern commuter EMUs, which seems to have been our primary diet for the past few years with British routes. Obviously I would favour some more BR locos, but even something like a 68 or 185 would be great to have.
That's what I'm going off in the game. The 158s at heart are older units, yes.. but the ones we have in the game are modified, more modern versions with newer headlights, better safety systems and so on. I'm not going off the actual unit and rather the variant of that unit we have.
Yeah I'm going off the variant of the unit/locos in-game, for example; when the 158s first came out of BREL works, they didn't have all LED headlights, and new displays, they were added as time went on - the variant of the 158 we have in the game is a modernised variant - therefore I consider it a modern unit.
Oh, don't worry. Here in my country the lines started using catenary in the 20s! We're talking about over 100 years ago. The beauty of this is that steam trains ran, and electric trains ran alongside them!
I'm not interested in steam locos until DTG finishes steam simulation. Then I would be very interested in them.
Whilst I do like modern traction (which we have plenty of), I also agree that we need more variety. As others have said, the definition of ‘old’ varies from person to person but I think we can agree one of the big differences between modern and old in regards to MU’s is the type of PBC (power/brake controller) some trains don’t exactly follow this but generally most do. I think what people want is less push/pull trains like 323s and 710s and something more like the 313 and 314 with separate controls. I’m not sure what the wider TSW audience prefers but on the forums this seems to be the consensus.
That's what I'm going off - the version of the unit/loco we have in the game. I've now added that as a little notice on the thread.
I'd personally split them between; Current Rolling Stock - self explanatory. Legacy Rolling Stock - traction that's operated in the modern era (say, since 2000) but has since been withdrawn. Historic Rolling Stock - traction that disappeared over 25 years ago.
How I'm looking at it is the variant of train we have in the game, so we have the 150 in its original Regional Railways livery which I personally consider old, a TfW/Northern/GWR 150 usually will have been modified with newer headlights and safety features so I consider those 150s modern ones. We have the old variant of 150 in the game - if (for example) a TfW 150 was to be added we would then have a modern 150 and and old 150.
Just like me, I went for anything " old ", generally diesel and steam, although I do like those old electric locos that ran on Woodhead and the Carlisle to Glasgow route.
Please add a "I would like to see more steam locos only if they are finished with manual firing being implemented" option.
I would tend to classify postwar stock into three categories, rather than just two: Old (1950s/60s designs and sometimes older still) EMUs are slam-door and use camshaft control (EPB, CIG, VEP, 304) Electric locos use tap-changers (81-87) or resistance banks (7x), generally manually operated DMUs have vacuum brakes and usually manual gear changes Diesel locos were built with DC main generators and headcode displays (up to 37, 47, 50, 55) Loco-hauled carriages were steam-heated, wagons had vacuum or no brakes. Middle (designs new from the 1970s to roughly the end of BR) EMUs have power doors but still use camshaft control (PEP family, 455, 442) Electric locos are at least semi-streamlined and use thyristor control of DC motors (89, 90, 91) DMUs have EP brakes, power doors, and automatic transmissions, separate power and brake controls (Pacer, Sprinter families) Diesel locos built with proper headlights and main alternators from new, usually electronic control of traction current, British designed engines and traction gear (43, 56, 58, 60) Loco-hauled carriages had air brakes and electric heat and/or aircon, wagons had air brakes and were larger, more specialised. New (post-privatisation stuff) EMUs have three-phase motors driven by variable-frequency inverters (323, Networker family are still BR era but "modern"; 385, 450 etc are post-BR) So do electric locos (92, 88, etc) DMUs have combined power/brake control Diesel locos have foreign-designed engines and traction gear (59, 66, 70, etc) Loco-hauled carriages are becoming an endangered species, usually operated as inflexible fixed formations, ie. pseudo multiple-unit trains. My interest would be in both the "old" and "middle" categories above, and somewhat less in the "new".
That’s pretty wild to think about. Would love to see a route like that released one day, best hope is probably from a third party I would think
Me too top of the list are the Eastern Region ones. But I hope they sort out the "door release" issue on slamdoor stock generally, it's a bit unrealistic stopping at a station. The release of doors shouldn't be a thing at all, even on the coach stock that had door locking systems they were unlocked by the guard.
I'd really like to eventually see in the sim (for the UK anyways): • A 37 pack similar to the AP one which includes all the different variations and liveries. • Class 43 (Valenta so we have the original headlight cluster) • Class 60 • Class 68/88 (More inclined to the 68) • Class 70 (feel like it doesn't get the love it deserves in the Simulation world) • Class 73 • Class 86/87 (more inclined to 86 as there are more variants with 75/100/110mph variants) • Class 90/91 (more inclined to the 91 for obvious reasons :P) • Class 92 for HS1 action!!! • Class 317 and 318 • Class 365 (for the glorious motors) • Class 373 (never going to happen) • Class 374 (unlikely to happen but can be subbed with the DB BR 407) • Class 411/412 • Class 421/423 • Class 444/450 • Class 455/456 • Class 458 (we don't have it in TSC yet!!) • Class 466 (would hope it would be an easy implementation) • Class 701 (when that enters service) • Class 707 (easy rehash of the 700) • Class 800/802 to (complete IET family)
Not to mention another hobbyhorse of mine, second only to buffet cars , is doors which are not at the platform particularly on slam stock should not be opening. TSC manages this quite nicely so surely the coder(s) responsible for TSW can come up with an algorithm to prevent it.
Couldn't agree more! Especially with the 70, they have a decent amount of love nowadays but still don't get as much love as (I personally think) they deserve! Something I'd love to see is a company pack, for example: a Colas pack that would add some of the main trains from said company, like for Colas maybe the 70s, 56s and 66s plus a few special moves like more light loco for those specific locos or something - just to add more companies to the game without requiring a specific route for them...
Linke Rheinstrecke has this (actually in a better form than TSC, since unlike it some doors on a single coach can be opened while others remain shut), so it should be possible for future slam-door stock to include it.
701s are in service!!! Also 466 is literally deleting the 2 middle coaches and removing first class idk why DTG chose not to implement it
