Other Older Routes That Deserve The Wsr Treatment

That's the idea ! After the wonderful update brought by DTG_Liam and DTG_RhysLampard I (we) had the idea that others old DLC should have the same chance to be brought back to "life".
That include a better timetable, TOD4, better scenery, bug fixes, etc.

So I have made a selection of all the route that were created before the Rush-hour update.
With Rush-Hour I think that the route were looking way better than before so that's why.

I have obviously removed WSR but also : LIRR (We are normally having a new one soon), Clinchfield as DTG Matt is working on a revamp of it and the DLC like SEHS or NEC New York that are not availble anymore. I did not removed GWE even if DTG don't have the license anymore. Should I ?

You have 5 votes for 5 Countries ! (USA,UK,DE,FR and Switzerland). Or for any route if you don't care about Swiss or German route for example.

I think that a poll might be interesting for the devs or some excellent modders in the community

My votes would go to MSB, Peninsula Corridor, Northern Trans Pennine, Sand Patch Grade and Ruhr Sieg Nord ! What are yours ?

 

Voted for:

• Tees Valley Line - also considered NTP, but I went with TVL because of the freight services.
• East Coastway - the Class 170 could easily be turned into a Class 171 to provide more player services. Brighton could also use a lot more AI trains. Ideally it would also include an extension to Ashford.
• Bakerloo Line - unique because it is the only underground route, also gives the opportunity to add the 710.
• Ruhr Sieg Nord - mainly because of the freight services. I also considered Main-Spessart Bahn for the docks area, but I believe it is also included in Maintalbahn, probably makes more sense to update that route instead.
  
• Peninsula Corridor - also considered Cane Creek, Oakville and Sand Patch, but Cane Creek already looks good (apart from the bugged plants) and Oakville has a timetable mod.

I also considered Arosalinie and LGV Méditerranée. Arosalinie is probably the most in need of better scenery, but it might need too much work to make it look good. LGV also needs better scenery, but it doesn't have many stations and we only have one French train, so I'm not sure there is much replayability

I believe DTG Liam is already remastering GWE, although it hasn't been officially announced yet and there is no timeline for when/if it happens.

 

Tees Valley in particular could definitely do with a major update, it's another one like WSR in that it was an amazing route when it came out and it will be amazing again when brought up to standard. Peninsula Corridor needs an update anyway, it still sees crashing issues. I'd also love to see the timetable have a realistic mixing of coaches, where you can occasionally see a Metrolink coach in a Caltrain Baby Bullet consist for example.

On the subject of the GWR update, it could also definitely do with one. I believe Matt once said that not having the license meant they could still do an update, they just couldn't add any new stations or locos.

 

Yep. First Group don't own the sunlight, grass or trees.

 

I went for RSN (they could fix that broken 363 scenario at the same time), NTP, TVL, ECW and Arosa.

 

East coast way is fine, GWRIs generally fine but could have overhead wires down to Reading, LGV Mediterranean could do with some love, the only French route and neglected.

 

Those two British routes have aged not so well, but they've potential still to be brought out!

 

GWE ~ electrify it add 802, 800, 387 services
Bakerloo Line ~ extension to Euston and Watford Junction & 710 services

 

Maybe a revamp of NTP and TVL as well, with addition of a new 1st generation DMU.
Perhaps add the Pacers on TVL. This is set in 89/93, if I remember correctly. While on NTP, set in 82/83, a new DMU would be needed.
Oh, I forgot to mention that my vote goes to:
- GWE (extended and electrified, with 80x GWR)
- NTP (updated and new DMU)
- Main-Spessart Bahn (general update and new services)
- TVL (general update and new DMU (Pacer) + increased freight services)
- Peninsula Corridor (electrified, upgraded and new EMU)

 

voted for GWE / Ruhr Sieg North and Peninsula Corridor

 

Some routes in the list don’t really need much done imo, an upgrade to ToD4 would do fine. Others like TVL, NTP, GWE and BKL could do with a full upgrade, updated stations, improved scenery, maybe even an improved timetable for GWE. In the case of BKL, accommodation for the 710, and a fix for the clipping issues at stations and a revamp for Piccadilly Circus.

 

I would pay anything for ntp on tod4 with a rat

 

I voted for:
- RSN: Because in my opinion it's one of the most epic, high quality TSW routes and deserves it most.
- MSB: I still enjoy this route very much, but now with the Aschaffenburg area having been updated to TOD 4 in Maintalbahn, might as well give the original route a vital update too.
- ECW: One of my all-time favourite routes which is in vital need of a timetable update to add the missing services and so on.
- SKA: Considering it's having a timetable update, I just very much hope they update it to TOD 4 as it doesn't make much logic not too.
- HHL: Hamburg-Lubeck might just be my favourite German route alongside RSN, so I'd like to see it updated.

I'd personally would still like to see London Commuter get the vital TOD 4/timetable update - considering both its fellow Rush Hour routes have since received such. Plus, those of us on console finally want to have the Class 700 in timetable mode.

 

Tees Valley and Northern Trans Pennine could do with some love and maybe the Sprinter/ pacer layering in.

 

Theres only 4 NA routes so my votes all go there.

Peninsula Corridor
I feel like is might be a given, due to the electrification and EMU project going on, but it probably wont happen for another 1-2 years so Caltrain can actually put them into service before DTG puts them into the game. The route itself would probably be extended to Tamien station (The end of electrification), while freight would support subbing from CC and/or Sherman Hill for UP. The GP38-2 gets QOL upgrades.

Sand Patch Grade
Route wise, there really isn't much that can be done with SPG without a major expansion in terms of line and scenery. It really only needs a new timetable to support longer trains, TOD4 upgrades, and smarter subbing. Outside of that, the AC44's could use new sounds, the C40-8W needs some patches, a return of the steel coil car, and maybe a GEVO from the C4 model to add more to CSX's roster.

Oakville
You are better off looking at the mod

Cane Creek
Not much here, like SPG it would require alot of extensions to the main line for an upgrade, you cant do much with the route itself, aside from scenery enhancements. Though the UP AC44 that comes with the route is terrible and needs to be redone. The stock for the tailing trains can also be made more realistic using the proper containers and spine cars.

 

The interest in playing revamped routes is clearly present. But this takes time (which costs money if undertaken by DTG). If I recall correctly, Matt said somewhere that a TOD4 upgrade takes one developer about a month to complete. I’ve been working on a new East Coastway timetable that’s taken a couple of months, probably one month if I were working on it full-time and had more experience. I don’t know how long scenery upgrades take, but it takes time and care also.

So here’s my follow-up question: What routes would you be willing to pay for upgraded versions of, and how much?

 

Upgrade all of them and sell them in a bundle called TSW5, everybody wins

 

If the quality of the upgraded routes meets my expectations, then I wouldn't mind the price (unless obviously it was extortionate).

 

Do the route up, add a new loco and charge (say) £17.99 for it.

So TVL we get a Class 56 and the route refurbished.
NTP we get a Class 25 or a Class 108 DMU along with the reworked route.
ECW, well for me it would have to be a 4 VEP in NSE livery.

 

Clinchfield

 

I would like to vote for Spirit of Steam.
It could have been such a beautiful route and still could be.
All it needs are bug fixes, proper steam physics, and a bunch of Loco DLCs,
the route itself is already quite good.

 

But at that point you're going well, well beyond "the WSR treatment." What that amounts to is scenery improvements, TOD-4 lighting and an alternate timetable; and those alone won't begin to fix SoS or PF.

 

Well, this is basically a list of UK and German routes with only a sprinkling of North American lines ( why? ). So it's not a poll I could really join with any enthusiasm. I would be interested in a revamp of NTP and TVL however.

If they had been included, I would have chosen Sherman Hill, Horseshoe Curve and Harlem in addition to SPG.

 

I think Cajon Pass with a scenery upgrade and improved timetable could be a pretty good route. The problems with HSC and SHH go far, far beyond what a WSR-style makeover could fix.

 

Well simply I have said that I took the route before the Rush-Hour update to have a "timeframe". Not really my fault If there are no more US routes

 

And modify 710 and make it a 345

 

But you didn't include Clinchfield for some reason?

 

Might have to change one of my selections to Cathcart, given the station lighting is still non existent after dark and the overall lighting generally. Even with the mod running it is pitch black like being in the middle of Rannoch Moor, not one of the largest UK cities.

 

Im dumb, Im sorry Im such an idiot.

 

I probably would say all of course but GWE has always been top of my list what needs a graphics update most of all.

I must add the station lighting update they did awhile ago at Paddington is real nice to see.

 

ECW needs the Wivelsfield branch at the very least but ideally also an extension to Ore or Hastings, maybe Ashford. It's current scope is far too limited.
As for GWE, the wires only went to Heathrow Junction in 2015 with sporadic infrastructure on the section West to Reading as it was a work in progress at that time. GWE desperately needs and deserves ALL of the Thames Valley branches for both passenger and freight services as applicable to each line. These are....

Northolt branch
Greenford branch
Brentford freight
Heathrow Airport (licensing and security issues so unlikely)
Colnbrook freight
Windsor branch
Bourne End/Marlow branch
Henley branch
Basingstoke branch

It would be so much more active and interesting with these additions.

 

Would like to see the Northern TransPennine moved forward to the late 80s or early 90s. When you still had loco hauled services and newer DMUs. The link from Stalybridge to Piccadilly would also be useful.

 

it would need to be its own route, you wouldn’t just change an era of an already made route, that completely erases why people could and would have bought it, it would be a false selling/advertisement (scam).

 

I'm seeing a lot of wishlist proposals which go way, way beyond the mere facelift WSR got.

 

The 171 uses dellner couplers, beside that a good poll.

 

Personally this would ruin the route, the charm of taking the 40s and 45s over the hills would be lost and this makes the route special, very special. A sprinter can go on any route.

 

I voted TVL, RSN, East Coastway, and Sandpatch.

I would have voted BML, Harlem, and Horseshoe Curve if those options were available.

 

Agreed. If you want pseudo modern and have TSC on PC, then the “Huddersfield Line” which is effectively NTP in a more recent era can fulfil that need.

 

I personally think that the current rendition is missing a few classes that would've been present in real life. Class 123 and 124 dmus are a obvious omission as this would have been prior to their withdrawal. I am always surprised that dlc like this haven't been made as they are obvious candidates.

 

Come on guys- Arosa needs it too
A new timetable, the same scenery as Bernina and new physics for the Ge4/4 II and this could also be an amazing route!!
But yeah, that would be about the same amount of work as a new route- maybe Albula next time?

Apart from that: HRR for sure. The only thing this route is lacking apart from Tod4 is a decent timetable with all the locos we have now!

 

Yet.

 

But with the TFL license you can make it modern day with out having to need first group license only for the stations though

 

Agree on both of these. A Rat or dare I say DELTIC would also make ideal company for the classic traction we have.

 

This I would love to see, although I highly doubt it's something that could happen. What they would be adding would effectively be half of a backdated Glossop route, which I guess could be nice to see it in a kind of halfway transition state as the Woodhead route was being dismantled, but all the same it's highly unlikely as depicting the same place in two different time periods doesn't seem to be something DTG are doing.

If I'm honest that was one of the things that really disappointed me about the Glossop line becoming a thing. Not that the route was bad, if anything it was a good jump in quality for DTG at that time. But that if past records are anything to go by, the route existing in that form pretty much writes off the possibility of TSW ever seeing a full depiction of the Woodhead line in its prime.

 

FGW: First Grass & Walnuts

 

Class 45s would still be there in the late 80s. They worked the through services to North Wales until the timetable change in May 88.

 

All routes updated to ToD4+ a couple of new trains+ Formation Designer (full version)=50/60 euros=TSW5.

I would buy it immediately.

 

I always thought it were the May 87 timetable change where Peaks became a rarity on the Trans-Pennine route and any Peak appearance on it thereafter were because the booked traction (47s) were unavailable. By May 88 most Peaks would have been withdrawn.